Do you believe in ghosts and/or demons

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This has been on my mind for a while, so I want other opinions
I swear that I have seen a lot of ghosts around me.
But everyone now thinks I am delusional, but when I'm around certain people, they see the exact same thing. Demons are real, that's what I think
 
I do beleive in ghosts,i seen one recently at college when no one was in the building,even someone asked me the threads question and i said yes,he also does.
 
Random topic. I believe in ghosts, but I dont see them. Why would they wanna make themselves known to me? Im sure they have better things to do. I feel sorry for them cause they are trapped in this life and cant move on. Protergists scare me, bloody angry ghosts. Nasty things. As for demons, nah. I leave that to the likes of Supernatural and Buffy.
 
I don't believe in anything supernatural. I have had many experiences myself, including believing I've saw someone, heard voices, and actually witnessed an item lift into the air an fall. But would never jump right in and assume that it has to be paranormal, as is the reaction of many. I do not believe in the supernatural for many reasons.

1. The supernatural does not exist by default. 'Natural' in it's literal form, refers to anything that exists inside reality. The term 'supernatural' refers to anything outside of reality. Ergo, the supernatural cannot possibly exist. If the supernatural does exist, the what we know to be reality meerly changes- and it would be accepted as part of reality-- therefore the supernatural wouldn't exist (even though it does... get me?) I'm not saying ghosts can't exist (though I believe they don't), only pointing out that we are using the wrong terms, and that whoever invented the word supernatural is a knob.

2. There is little evidence to support the supernatural. I can't be bothered going into detail, but most things can indeed be explained away-- though most people refuse to believe other possibilites. To me, if there is another possibly other than 'supernatural' activity, it is always more likely, and therefore there is no logical reason for accepting the 'supernatural' explanation, until all other explanations are proven wrong beyond all doubt.

3. Subjective Validation.

4. Hard, solid, objective evidence does not exist.
 
LadyGagaWillEatU said:
Theres no such thing
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..this would be my opinion as well. But me being me I had to spend a thousand paragraphs to give that opinion. o_O

Just a friendly word of warning though, one lined posts will get you grief from the Mods. If you want to avoid that, just elaborate a little more. :)
 
From my point of view there are definatley certain types of phenomina that cannot be explained by rationality or science, this I beleive extends to ghosts or spirits.

I have had experiences with such spirits in the past, not only just seeing them but feeling there presence.

Ghosts as such are not what people claim they are from my experiences either, they do not fall into the stereotypical role of wraithful spirits wandering around randomly trying to scare people, nor do they wish to communicate freely like Derek Accura would have us believe, they simply exist to guide and watch over us from an invisible point of view, but may reveal themselves if they feel the need to, some spirits are helpful, others are not, such as people themselves are in life.

To those with a closed mind about the whole subject, they will never really understand or fathom spirits and thats fine, each to there own, but dont go out there looking for them either because you wont turn up squat, If you believe in them, they will make there presence known one way or another, its how you percieve that presence that is the part that counts, this could be anything to a slight chill down your spine, body temperature randomly fluctating, a feeling of a breeze yet the windows are all closed and theres no air conditioning on, hearing a voice yet noone has spoke or noone is around to speak, these are all indications of a presence other than your own.

But whatever you do, dont try to do a Derek Accura and try talk to them, thats a load of rubbish, communicating with spirits takes a little bit more than some Guy who runs a TV programme yelling out "IM HERE I WONT HURT YOU!" :wacky:

To add, and my appolgies for nearly missing this bit!

I also believe in demons as such, but not as most people would depict them as horned hell spawn that hang about in the bowels of hell seeking there chance to wreak havoc on judgement day. Demons are merely spirits that are selfish and manipulative, that try to bring out the worst in a person or persons and are much like those of Celtic/Norse mythology such as Loki the trickster, except they have no such "set" physical appearance, these are the ones that place doubts, and bad thoughts in our mind or give us a sudden feeling of negativity that cannot be explained, even pushing out such feelings as hostility and fear.

Of course phychology attempts to rationalise this as mental disorders or bouts of insanity, but phychology is not much different from the doctorine that was preached by the Witch hunter generals during the inquisition to attempt to rationalise why a human being that was seemingly "normal" would suddenly become totally different, often claiming they were possessed by the devil or they were a Witch, nothing but man made excuses for things we cannot explain on a rational level perfectly depicting one of man kinds greatest flaws, Arogance and the need to have an explanation for everything.

In truth, we dont hold the answers to everything, nor will we ever, some things just cannot be explained or fully understood, but as long as there are excuses there will never be true understanding.
 
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From my point of view there are definatley certain types of phenomina that cannot be explained by rationality or science, this I beleive extends to ghosts or spirits.
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Just because there are things that cannot be explained does not mean we know definitely that ghosts or spirits exist; beyond admitting not knowing, a man cannot say anything with any kind of accuracy. Or else he must admit that he knows something, even though he has admitted he does not.

I have had experiences with such spirits in the past, not only just seeing them but feeling there presence.

Ghosts as such are not what people claim they are from my experiences either, they do not fall into the stereotypical role of wraithful spirits wandering around randomly trying to scare people, nor do they wish to communicate freely like Derek Accura would have us believe, they simply exist to guide and watch over us from an invisible point of view, but may reveal themselves if they feel the need to, some spirits are helpful, others are not, such as people themselves are in life.

To those with a closed mind about the whole subject, they will never really understand or fathom spirits and thats fine, each to there own, but dont go out there looking for them either because you wont turn up squat, If you believe in them, they will make there presence known one way or another, its how you percieve that presence that is the part that counts, this could be anything to a slight chill down your spine, body temperature randomly fluctating, a feeling of a breeze yet the windows are all closed and theres no air conditioning on, hearing a voice yet noone has spoke or noone is around to speak, these are all indications of a presence other than your own.

But whatever you do, dont try to do a Derek Accura and try talk to them, thats a load of rubbish, communicating with spirits takes a little bit more than some Guy who runs a TV programme yelling out "IM HERE I WONT HURT YOU!" :wacky:
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These sensations can easily be interpreted as "spirits", but only because you do so. Nothing has meaning until you interpret it. You have these sensations, and you believe they are spirits because you choose to do so. It is entirely possible that you do not understand why you have these sensations, and they can be accounted for from entirely rational reasons. (ie, maybe the windows are open, but you can't tell if they are or not because the blinds are blocking them, so it is possible there is a draft, mistaking a voice for a bird or the wind or something else entirely, etc.). I am not saying that every "strange" occasion is accounted for rationally; only that a man should not be quick to conclude that a strange happening must be the work of a spirit.

Of course phychology attempts to rationalise this as mental disorders or bouts of insanity, but phychology is not much different from the doctorine that was preached by the Witch hunter generals during the inquisition to attempt to rationalise why a human being that was seemingly "normal" would suddenly become totally different, often claiming they were possessed by the devil or they were a Witch, nothing but man made excuses for things we cannot explain on a rational level perfectly depicting one of man kinds greatest flaws, Arogance and the need to have an explanation for everything.
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If it is arrogance to need an explanation for everything, then admitting ignorance and not knowing anything is the safest position to take. It is even safer than saying spirits exist, because a man who declares that spirits exist is making a claim to knowledge.

In truth, we dont hold the answers to everything, nor will we ever, some things just cannot be explained or fully understood, but as long as there are excuses there will never be true understanding.
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Is not admitting that spirits exist an excuse to the true reason why people have random feelings that they don't understand?

Layle said:
He went on to say that the man was surrounded by many babies, 7 to be exact, and that he was looking after them. My teacher's mother broke into tears. Apparently she'd had 7 miscarriages during her life, and took this to mean her father was looking after the poor souls.
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That's easy to explain. First of all, it is not uncommon for people back then to have as many as seven children. Secondly, the number seven is easy to pick because it has superstitious notions. Thirdly, since he is speaking about your grandfather, it is given that he had children. Fourthly, it does not matter if the seven children lived or died; all he said was that the man was looking after them. The guy never said anything about what happened to them. Fifth of all, your teacher's mother simply made the interpretation that he was talking about her miscarriages, even though the guy did not say anything about a miscarriage. By playing on the imaginations of people on little more than a few words, these fortune tellers can make it seem like they know lots about you, when in fact, they do not. All your teacher's mother had to do was to interpret the 7 babies to refer to her miscarriages.

It's not extraordinary. A man's ability to extrapolate what does not exist is extraordinary.
 
Well, how do you explain when you see a person one second, and gone the next
and multiple people along with you see the exact same thing. My friend was spending the night, we looked out the window and saw a little girl, when I blinked, she disappeared,my friend and myself were both able to describe what she looked like and such.

When I was 8, I was at the local pool, I went in to wash my hands, and out of nowhere, I see a naked boy, in the mirror, a little bigger that me. He waved to me and said hi, I responded hi back, he said hi again. After I'm done washing my hands I look in the mirror, he's still there. I turn around, and he's gone, how do you explain that, the turn was within 3 seconds of when I saw him last, and he was gone.

Those aren't the only ghosts I've seen
 
Just so you don't get the wrong impression, I do not claim to be able to explain every single phenomena that exists. The previous one was easy to explain because it's just a well known psychological trick called cold reading. If you've seen the Biggest Douche in the Universe episode of South Park, it explains the concept rather well. Less easy to tell are situations in which one of several conditions are met:

-lack of witnesses (maybe one or two people were there, but they were under the same conditions, and probably of a similar mindset; eg, if two nuns claimed they saw Jesus being resurrected, they are of a similar mindset; both share the same religion and set of beliefs)
-Lack of knowledge of the conditions (was it cold, was it dark, was it foggy, was it loud, and therefore, hard to concentrate, hard to see, or hard to hear? Was there something there that shouldn't have been there, or were the observers unaware of certain conditions that made it possible for them to see what they saw?)
-No repeatability (if we knew enough about the conditions or the kinds of people that observed what happened, would it be possible to repeat the scene in order to discern what actually happened?)

We call these things miracles and some people attribute spirits to them because we are often unable to repeat the event that occurs. But just because we are not able to reproduce it does not mean that a ghost did exist; as I mentioned before, it is safer for a man to admit he didn't know anything than to admit he knew it was a ghost.

Therefore, I will answer sincerely that I do not know how you managed to see people appearing and disappearing suddenly; perhaps they happened to be near a wall or pillar, and walked behind it, and unintentionally appeared as though they were disappearing; perhaps there is a rational explanation behind this, and perhaps there isn't.
 
I don't believe in ghosts and spirits and the like, but I do believe that the mind is a powerful thing and that human beings are more than capable of scaring themselves shitless by jumping to conclusions when confronted with things they don't understand :P I'm not trying to be patronizing or anything here, hell, I do it to myself all the time!

Whenever my mind plays tricks on me though, I find it helpful to apply Occam's razor. Let's say you are in the shower and as the glass starts to fog up, you notice the words "HELP ME" scrawled in a desperate, clumsy handwriting on the glass door. Which of the following do you find most likely:

A. A spirit stuck between this world and the next is trying to communicate with you.

B. Your room mate was bored when he used the shower a couple of hours earlier and decided to pull a prank on you.
 
Having lived in a haunted house when I was younger, yes I believe in ghosts. All of my family members have had experiences in that house.

And not that this is definitive proof but I did have a lot of scratch marks on myself when I was younger. I remember a black mass scratching me. But then again I could have been dreaming and doing it myself. But still, it could have been because of the ghost or just myself. I'm afraid I won't ever know for sure.

My family has also seen our cat after she passed away. We all saw her separately in different locations and didn't tell each other about it until one of us brought it up.
 
we had a ghost in our house and it scared crap outta me !!! we had to speak to a priest about it and said to us to do lords prayer to stop him harming us.
 
Ahhhh for me yes I believe in them but much like with aliens I think they have better things to do than bother with me. Im mostly trapped in old places till the wee hours in the morning and I personally have never seen any proof of these things yet I dont doubt they exist....i just doubt they are ..here. I believe they like their designated homes more than this place-the living realm if you will
If they do happen to roam arround here I certainly have never seen one or heard any valid proof i cant dispute so yes I believe in them but no I dont think they are here.
 
I do believe in Ghosts actually. They scare me.

I just don't think we are just gone after we die. It doesn't make sense really.
 
last week my alrm went on out of no where,it was scary and confusing cuz there was no stranger in the house or no fire detection,so it was a ghost that turned it on.
 
Actually, I find it doesn't make sense to continue existing after you're dead. Maybe as an abstract concept, you might exist, but if everything that's required for you to exist doesn't work anymore, just how can you continue existing after death? Makes no sense to me.
 
J said:
Actually, I find it doesn't make sense to continue existing after you're dead. Maybe as an abstract concept, you might exist, but if everything that's required for you to exist doesn't work anymore, just how can you continue existing after death? Makes no sense to me.
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well its more a question of weather one believes in life after death,if you put it that way, if you dont believe in it then naturally one wouldnt believe in ghosts.
 
Well, nobody knows exactly what a ghost is. What's it made of? How does a person become a ghost exactly? If they don't have organs, how do they exist? Or if they move through walls, how do they do that? If they were so easily observable, couldn't we have studied them more carefully? But nobody knows any of these things.
 
For me its all atoms ...energy ...how can a molecule exsist? how can a cell? they technically dont have organs yet they do exist..even the air you breath is nothing but molecules unseen yet they are
 
Those things exist because we can observe them. We know they exist because we have observed them under a microscope, and they are measurable. Air exists because if it did not, you wouldn't be able to blow up a balloon. You wouldn't be able to use an air raft or air sofa. You can't see them, yet they are still measurable. Are ghosts measurable?
 
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