The Fritzl Case

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This is the most horrific peice of news I've heard for years, Elizabeth Fritzl was kept hostage in a secret underground celler by her own father, where he repeatedly raped her, for 24 years, and she has had 7 of her own fathers children. More horrific than this, one of her babies died and her father burned the body in the incinerator.

It's just, sick beyond words, and what's worse is that her Father has shown no remorse for what he's done. He's not only ruined his daughters life, but the lives of her 6 children as well. It's just so tragic, and it really makes you wonder what sort of sick, depraved people live in this world.
 
Omg, I read about this yesterday, it's one of the most horrendous things I have ever heard. Too live without ever seeing day light for so long is shocking.....not to mention the incest.

He is disgusting, the nasty peice of work has lived his life out now, I hope he spends the remainder of his years rotting in some dark pit some where
 
I was thinking he could be left to rot in said pit, death is far too good for him. At least that way he would suffer like they have done. Keep him alive for as long as possible with no luxuries whatsoever.
 
Ugh, only 15 - 20 years of imprisonment. Sure, that's like a life sentence for a guy that old, but the numbers disappoint me greatly. This is a very sad case, and I feel remorse at the whole situation...I mean, to think that all these many years, there is someone (and her children who's never seen daylight until a few days ago) out there suffering...trapped in a situation that's not very common from your typical crimes. I just cannot even fathom how it was like for them, especially for Elizabeth.

According to the Associated Press, "Investigators say they believe his wife, with whom he had seven children, was unaware that the daughter she believed ran away to join a religious cult in 1984 was living as a prisoner beneath her feet."

I just wonder...couldn't she hear anything (or even notice) below her? I mean, surely they made some loud noises to attract attention by means of escape. (Although she did manage to escape back in 1994 but was captured again).

And according to wiki, "Josef Fritzl's defence lawyer, Rudolf Mayer, said although the DNA test proved incest, evidence was needed for other allegations. "The DNA traces are clear and this would prove the incest but the rape has not been proven at all, let alone the enslavement and the murder that have been talked about. Nothing has been proven there... From now on he is not speaking to the police. He will not say a single word...We need to reassess the confessions made so far."

Oh please. It had to have been "raped". I can bet my life that she did not like the situation at all and was locked up against her will. But okay, so let's pretend it wasn't "raped". In her defense, she probably went crazy and lost all hope due to the traumatizing situation she had to deal with. She was scared of her own father (gah, if you can even call him that) and most likely threatened her if she didn't comply with him. Threats and fears can really do damage to someone.
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That sick bastard should rot in hell for what he did to that poor girl, and I hope the rest of his days on earth are miserable! To do something like that to your own flesh and blood, for 24 years is as sick and low as you can get. I feel so sad for her when I think about the horrible conditions she's had to live in, and I can't believe she was forced to live with her children there.

According to the Associated Press, "Investigators say they believe his wife, with whom he had seven children, was unaware that the daughter she believed ran away to join a religious cult in 1984 was living as a prisoner beneath her feet."
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I'm willing to bet that her mother did know what was going on, because I mean really.. How could she not? You'd think that the girl would've screamed, or beat the walls, or something that would have been obviously noticable. Plus, she was down there with 6 children. They probably cried and screamed, so how could she have not heard that?

And according to wiki, "Josef Fritzl's defence lawyer, Rudolf Mayer, said although the DNA test proved incest, evidence was needed for other allegations. "The DNA traces are clear and this would prove the incest but the rape has not been proven at all, let alone the enslavement and the murder that have been talked about. Nothing has been proven there... From now on he is not speaking to the police. He will not say a single word...We need to reassess the confessions made so far."
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The situation most likely started out as rape, but then the girl had no choice but to comply. If she didn't do what he said, he could've threatened to hurt her children or something. I think it's pretty obvious that the man comitted a horrible crime, and it's silly that they are saying because there is no proof of rape that it didn't happen.
 
Beauty said:
I'm willing to bet that her mother did know what was going on, because I mean really.. How could she not? You'd think that the girl would've screamed, or beat the walls, or something that would have been obviously noticable. Plus, she was down there with 6 children. They probably cried and screamed, so how could she have not heard that?
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His wife didn't live with him, that's what I heard. It's unlikely his daughter would have beat the walls, no doubt because she was scared of reprisals.
 
Three lived with him as his 'adopted' grandchildren, and the other three lived with their mother in the pit.
One boy died shortly after he was born, then he incinerated the body.
 
this the worst thing i ever heard. i mean a man rape his own daughter and the police says that thay have no prof that she was raped. what kind of a crap is that? who are thay tring to fool? i'd say that life has become shit ​

it is just as what he said " whoever wins, it won't make any diffrent, whoever dies will be free, and whoevere lives, will be tortured by life " ​
 
old snake said:
this the worst thing i ever heard. i mean a man rape his own daughter and the police says that thay have no prof that she was raped. what kind of a crap is that? who are thay tring to fool? i'd say that life has become shit ​



it is just as what he said " whoever wins, it won't make any diffrent, whoever dies will be free, and whoevere lives, will be tortured by life " ​
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It's his defense lawyer who said that. It's his job to make statements like that. He is hardly going to say, 'yes he raped his daughter over 9000 times'. Technically he is right. They don't have any proof that it was rape, however incest has occured and his daughter's statement and w/e will be enough to convict him. Rape is pretty difficult to get definitive evidence unless you catch the rapist in the act.
Also this is ironic coming from someone who lives in the middle east, where women can be gang raped for going out by themselves. Ans then they get punished for doing so, however that's neither here nor there.
 
Okay, I would probably agree that there is no evidence that it was rape, however, we cannot dismiss the fact that she was locked up down there for 24 years. I do believe that it started out as rape, and emotionally, she is wrecked inside. So even if it is what you'd call "sex with her father", it is still rape in my eyes because of the fact that she never wanted that situation to happen to begin with. She was still being held prisoner against her will...that to me is rape any way you look at it.
 
Iago said:
It's his defense lawyer who said that. It's his job to make statements like that. He is hardly going to say, 'yes he raped his daughter over 9000 times'. Technically he is right. They don't have any proof that it was rape, however incest has occured and his daughter's statement and w/e will be enough to convict him. Rape is pretty difficult to get definitive evidence unless you catch the rapist in the act.
Also this is ironic coming from someone who lives in the middle east, where women can be gang raped for going out by themselves. Ans then they get punished for doing so, however that's neither here nor there.
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any doctor whos specialty is pregnancy and brith can proof that a woman got raped or not by using the clock theory i don't know how exactly it goes but it tells you if the woman got raped or she had sex on her well
 
old snake said:
any doctor whos specialty is pregnancy and brith can proof that a woman got raped or not by using the clock theory i don't know how exactly it goes but it tells you if the woman got raped or she had sex on her well
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Actually, no you can't, ESPECIALLY if it's been a while since the alleged rape occured. Even if there is bruising or vaginal tearing, it could be because the woman wasn't sufficiently aroused or because it was just rough sex. Rape is extremely difficult to prove legally, and sometimes women don't want to convinct their assailants for that very reason. I could go on a long and angry diatribe about how laws surrounding rape are highly inadequate, but I'll spare you.

I think that the Fritzl case is unbelievable. It's just sick. I can't understand how anyone could do that to ANYONE, let alone their own daughter. I want him to go to prison and get violently raped for the rest of his life. Because if that's not karma at work, I just don't know what is. :neomon: I feel awful for the daughter and her children. Their lives will never be normal. I just hope they can recover somewhat and attempt to live peacefully.
 
Update: Here's a little bit of an update on the Fritzl case. The police are trying to hit him with another charge, one of murder.

He admitted to burning the baby's body, and because of this, they wish to hit him with a charge of 'negligent death of an infant,' which would warrant him a 20 year sentence, on top of whatever other charges he'll have.

Eitherway, his life will be over soon enough. I'm sure if he spends even a few days in prison, he'll get destroyed by his inmates. This is the most depraved case I've ever heard of, so I'm sure there's some angry Austrian in that prison that would love to end his life.
 
Twisted. Death is too good for a person (I use the word, "person," loosely in his case) like him.

I'd imagine the poor girl must have been driven insane. Being imprisoned and raped repeatedly in a dark basement for...how long was it? 24 years? Forced to give birth to more than half a dozen children...one of which was incinerated. All at the hands of her father. Unspeakably horrifying.

The worst of my nightmares doesn't scratch that.
 
I'd actually be more concerned with the mental health of his father (and maybe the girl herself) than I would be about how "horrible" this all is. It does make me wonder. Has a psychiatrist or psychologist examined him yet?

And if he did rape the girl as a child, then he is technically considered a pedophile.
 
Karl Friedrich Gauß said:
I'd actually be more concerned with the mental health of his father (and maybe the girl herself) than I would be about how "horrible" this all is. It does make me wonder. Has a psychiatrist or psychologist examined him yet?

And if he did rape the girl as a child, then he is technically considered a pedophile.
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Quite frankly, I don't give a SHIT about his mental condition. I don't care if he's severely delusional or a sociopath. What he did is absolutely inexcusable. I'm sick of mental illnesses being used as excuses for atrocious crimes. There is no doubt that he has some sort of textbook "mental illness" but honestly, so what? Just because you can define it in the DSM that makes it okay? No. I really don't give a shit about what any psychologist or psychiatrist has to say about him. He commited a horrific crime, several in fact, and he needs to be punished. I think throwing him in prison with a bunch of rapists would be rather fitting. Death really is too good for him. I'm sick of people saying, "but they can't help it! THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS." I honestly don't buy that defense most of the time. But let's just say they do....clearly, from the actions their "mental illness" causes them to take, society would be better off if they were removed. Simple fact.

The girl is another story. Her mental condition is definitely a cause for concern. Even with help from the best psychologists in the world, I still don't think she'll ever fully recover. I honestly hope she's able to recover somewhat and lead a peaceful life.
 
Oh, I didn't mean that if a psychologist or psychiatrist examined him and found he did have some sort of classified mental illness that he should be excused--I was just curious to see what they say about it.

Because nobody in their right mind, who knew the problems with incest would rape their own children.

This might not have happened if they knew he was insane.
 
Karl Friedrich Gauß said:
Oh, I didn't mean that if a psychologist or psychiatrist examined him and found he did have some sort of classified mental illness that he should be excused--I was just curious to see what they say about it.

Because nobody in their right mind, who knew the problems with incest would rape their own children.

This might not have happened if they knew he was insane.
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Nah, I figured you weren't saying it would be excusable. But honestly, I'm glad that the media is focusing attention on the horror of his crimes instead of attempting to excuse his behavior by attempting to diagnose him with a mental illness. I'm a little wary of psychology myself, because I feel as though a lot of it is still guess work and groping around in the dark. Additionally, there seems to be a disorder for everything. According to many of the disorder defiinitions, almost EVERYONE has a disorder. Sometimes I don't think humans want to accept the fact that people can just be-- for lack of a better word-- evil. We need some sort of disorder to explain and justify it.
 
Apparently a second man went to the cellar and his wife must have known something was going on because he Mr Fritzl wouldn't allow her to go into the cellar.

But what I don't get is how he managed to adopt three of the children even though he had a previous conviction of rape in Linz even though they kept the file. He is a sick twisted man though, I don't know how someone would have the nerve to rape his own daughter, impregnate her seven times, adopt three of her children and then keep his daughter in the cellar for 24 years without seeing daylight :mad:
 
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