SPOILERS A black holes in the story i want answered.

[DLFlux]

Yeah, you see at the beginning when Sin attacks dream Zanarkand, Auron is speaking to Sin and says "You are sure?" then Tidus ends up in Spira, so that "you are sure?" bit suggests to me, Sin/Jecht is telling Auron it's time for Tidus to go to Spira. Auron was sent to watch over Tidus, as he promised Jecht he would. I think in one of the flash backs or Jecht spheres Jecht does actually say he wants Auron to bring Tidus to Spira, I may be wrong though.

Plus Auron had already met Yunalesca and found out the whole situation revolving around summoners and what-not, causing him to attack her and get pwned. So the odds are he probably does know about the dreams, but he's not the type of guy who reveals alot really, he lets Yuna & Tidus develope their own "stories" without telling them what will happen next, and what's waiting for them etc.

 

[Gabranth]

If you speak to him on the airship after entering Sin, he says that 'Jecht wanted 'you' to have a shot at life'. You meaning Tidus. I would've thought he should at least tell Tidus - he lets him know most of his secrets. (being an unsent, and Sin being Jecht)

He must also know about Yu Yevon then...pretty tactless of him not to tell Yuna to be honest. However, he does say 'This is your story' to Tidus, so I suppose he knew they would find out eventually.

 

[DLFlux]

If you speak to him on the airship after entering Sin, he says that 'Jecht wanted 'you' to have a shot at life'. You meaning Tidus. I would've thought he should at least tell Tidus - he lets him know most of his secrets. (being an unsent, and Sin being Jecht)

He must also know about Yu Yevon then...pretty tactless of him not to tell Yuna to be honest. However, he does say 'This is your story' to Tidus, so I suppose he knew they would find out eventually.

I think he tells Tidus the things he needs to know, you could argue he needed to know he was a dream, but maybe Auron felt that either: it was something he needed to discover himself in order to grow & gain strength from it, or he wasn't ready to know at certain points, until eventually Tidus found out for himself.

He should know about Yu Yevon, I mean Summoners know they are going to die & a guardian becomes the fayth for the final summoning, but I'm not too sure if it's known fact that the final summoning created by the guardian becomes the next Sin. Auron does know this, as he knows Jecht is Sin, so that being said he must have an idea about Yu Yevon.

You could argue though, that without Auron and to a lesser extent - Tidus, that when Yuna and gang met Yunalesca, maybe they would've gone ahead with a guardian sacrificing themselves.

 

[VirginBlack]

Plus Auron had already met Yunalesca and found out the whole situation revolving around summoners and what-not, causing him to attack her and get pwned.

That was one of the things I never liked about Auron, I mean...he attacks the Lady and obviously she defends herself but then as an unsent he somehow wants a revenge of sorts against her. I don't see how his "revenge" is justified in this case.

Yunalesca is another hard nut to crack, I understand her for the most part, she genuinely believes what she says in that there is no other way to defeat Sin and dspite being mistaken and even a bit stubborn she has Spira's best intentions in mind. Even in her dying words she still clings to her belief that there is no other way and that Spira would drown in sorrow because the party robbed it of the light of hope.

That being the case I really cannot see her as a villain but more as an antagonist as she simply happens to have a different view of things than the party, yet both have Spira's best intentions in mind. But a bit that confuses me is why did she decide to attack Yuna when she refuses to continue with the final summoning? Mika says that all who question the truths of Yevon's teachings are traitors, so, perhaps she sees them as traitors and enemies of Spira, people who would only bring about more sorrow, including their own, so she chooses to free them by killing them. Or perhaps the fact that she is an unsent plays a role there.

You could argue though, that without Auron and to a lesser extent - Tidus, that when Yuna and gang met Yunalesca, maybe they would've gone ahead with a guardian sacrificing themselves.

Yes, they would have. Note that right after Yunalesca tells them that they muse choose the one she will turn into the fayth, while she leaves they have a discussion and both Wakka and Lulu are willing to be sacrificed and confront Tidus when he tells them that he wants to defeat Sin and save Yuna. If it weren't for Tidus, they would have simply gone along with it.

 

[DLFlux]

That was one of the things I never liked about Auron, I mean...he attacks the Lady and obviously she defends herself but then as an unsent he somehow wants a revenge of sorts against her. I don't see how his "revenge" is justified in this case.

Yunalesca is another hard nut to crack, I understand her for the most part, she genuinely believes what she says in that there is no other way to defeat Sin and dspite being mistaken and even a bit stubborn she has Spira's best intentions in mind. Even in her dying words she still clings to her belief that there is no other way and that Spira would drown in sorrow because the party robbed it of the light of hope.

That being the case I really cannot see her as a villain but more as an antagonist as she simply happens to have a different view of things than the party, yet both have Spira's best intentions in mind. But a bit that confuses me is why did she decide to attack Yuna when she refuses to continue with the final summoning? Mika says that all who question the truths of Yevon's teachings are traitors, so, perhaps she sees them as traitors and enemies of Spira, people who would only bring about more sorrow, including their own, so she chooses to free them by killing them.

All I can remember about Auron attacking Yunalesca is seeing him getting owned, can't remember what was said and stuff so don't really know about the whole revenge bit.

As for Yunalesca, her being an unsent is also against Yevon's teachings right? Just like Seymour and the other dudes, that shows the corruption within the religion, so I doubt it was a case of Yuna going against the teachings as that would make her uber hypocritical. Auron tells Yuna to send her doesn't he? So that's probably why she attacks, as she doesn't want to be sent. Plus, if Yuna and co. were allowed to leave and talk of what went on in Zanarkand it would reveal alot of secrets to the people of Spira that Yevonites and Yunalesca probably don't want people knowing.

Hmm. I'm going to have to play through it again, this discussion has got me thinking.

 

[VirginBlack]

All I can remember about Auron attacking Yunalesca is seeing him getting owned, can't remember what was said and stuff so don't really know about the whole revenge bit.

As for Yunalesca, her being an unsent is also against Yevon's teachings right? Just like Seymour and the other dudes, that shows the corruption within the religion, so I doubt it was a case of Yuna going against the teachings as that would make her uber hypocritical. Auron tells Yuna to send her doesn't he? So that's probably why she attacks, as she doesn't want to be sent. Plus, if Yuna and co. were allowed to leave and talk of what went on in Zanarkand it would reveal alot of secrets to the people of Spira that Yevonites and Yunalesca probably don't want people knowing.

Hmm. I'm going to have to play through it again, this discussion has got me thinking.

Auron simply went back to her and when she tells him that "they choose to die because they had hope" Auron jumps at her with his sword intending to kill her. He doesn't tells Yuna to send her and I think that just like Mika, Yuna doesn't sends her but she vanishes like Seymour does when you defeat him as Seymour Flux.

I am not sure that Yunalesca was concerned about letting people go after knowing the nature of Sin and the Final Summoning, I mean, Seymour was alive and he met Yunalesca and his mother was turned into Anima by her and he knew how the final summoning worked. Yuna's question to Yunalesca was answered quite succintly and honestly. Yunalesca saw herself as the only means by which Sin could be defeated, so why should she be worried? She showed no intention of hiding anything or covering things up by lying to them. Even Wakka's claim about Sin being gone if they atone for their crimes is met with doubt by her, when she asks wether humanity would be able to attain the purity that something like that would demand. Given how much humans went against Yevon's teachings I guess her question is reasonable.

If she wanted to conceal anything, I think she would have lied to them and told them that yes, there is a small chance that Sin won't come back, but she didn't and when she answers Lulu with her claim that "hope allows us to accept fate however trajic it may be", it speaks about how she feels about the whole thing. She considers the fact that Sin is an inevitable part of Spira's destiny (as she says) a tragic thing, but given the hope that Yevon's teachings and the Final Summoning bring, she has learned to accept it.

Your comment about she being an unsent is on point. But I wonder, if they send her, that very much leaves them without the Final Summoning, the means of defeating Sin. There is also the fact that probably it was only a select few who knew that Yunalesca awaited summoners in Zanakard.

Still, I feel that the fact that she is an unsent probably plays a part in her decision to attack Yuna. Yunalesca may have been a really good person when she was alive but not entirely so as an unsent. Much but not all of her humanity had probably faded as it happens to all unsents. Unsents also tend to resent the living and they loose their touch with them, note how cold and distant Yunalesca sounds when she is telling Yuna that she would need to die.

So, that is probably what drives her to attack Yuna, or perhaps like all unsents, she is simply limited in her thoughts and actions like Auron is and simply couldn't do or see beyond that for which she remained an usent.

 

[DLFlux]

Auron simply went back to her and when she tells him that "they choose to die because they had hope" Auron jumps at her with his sword intending to kill her. He doesn't tells Yuna to send her and I think that just like Mika, Yuna doesn't sends her but she vanishes like Seymour does when you defeat him as Seymour Flux.

I am not sure that Yunalesca was concerned about letting people go after knowing the nature of Sin and the Final Summoning, I mean, Seymour was alive and he met Yunalesca and his mother was turned into Anima by her and he knew how the final summoning worked. Yuna's question to Yunalesca was answered quite succintly and honestly. Yunalesca saw herself as the only means by which Sin could be defeated, so why should she be worried? She showed no intention of hiding anything or covering things up by lying to them. Even Wakka's claim about Sin being gone if they atone for their crimes is met with doubt by her, when she asks wether humanity would be able to attain the purity that something like that would demand. Given how much humans went against Yevon's teachings I guess her question is reasonable.

If she wanted to conceal anything, I think she would have lied to them and told them that yes, there is a small chance that Sin won't come back, but she didn't and when she answers Lulu with her claim that "hope allows us to accept fate however trajic it may be", it speaks about how she feels about the whole thing. She considers the fact that Sin is an inevitable part of Spira's destiny (as she says) a tragic thing, but given the hope that Yevon's teachings and the Final Summoning bring, she has learned to accept it.

Your comment about she being an unsent is on point. But I wonder, if they send her, that very much leaves them without the Final Summoning, the means of defeating Sin. There is also the fact that probably it was only a select few who knew that Yunalesca awaited summoners in Zanakard.

Still, I feel that the fact that she is an unsent probably plays a part in her decision to attack Yuna. Yunalesca may have been a really good person when she was alive but not entirely so as an unsent. Much but not all of her humanity had probably faded as it happens to all unsents. Unsents also tend to resent the living and they loose their touch with them, note how cold and distant Yunalesca sounds when she is telling Yuna that she would need to die.

So, that is probably what drives her to attack Yuna, or perhaps like all unsents, she is simply limited in her thoughts and actions like Auron is and simply couldn't do or see beyond that for which she remained an usent.

Ah yeah, it was at Bevelle he says "Yuna, send him" isn't it? With Yunalesca he gives that "Fight or run" speach which the camera angles changing quite dramatically.

As for the rest, it's been a while since I played it, so going to play through again because this is really ratterling my brain now lol.

She is an interesting character though isn't she? Her final form is cool as hell lol.

 

[VirginBlack]

Ah yeah, it was at Bevelle he says "Yuna, send him" isn't it? With Yunalesca he gives that "Fight or run" speach which the camera angles changing quite dramatically.

As for the rest, it's been a while since I played it, so going to play through again because this is really ratterling my brain now lol.

She is an interesting character though isn't she? Her final form is cool as hell lol.

Yeah, it was Seymour that Auron told Yuna to send. With Yunalesca he gives the rather nice speech you mention.

Yunalesca is simply mesmerizing to me, I love the character and her design in all the three forms and the voice they gave her is very good too. She is my favorite FF character overall and my favorite antagonist and is a really hard boss to boot! Some people claim that Seymour was the main villain of the game, but I think it was Yunalesca, if we really can consider her a villain at all.

But yeah, give the game another run, it is quite enjoyable.

 

[DLFlux]

Yeah, it was Seymour that Auron told Yuna to send. With Yunalesca he gives the rather nice speech you mention.

Yunalesca is simply mesmerizing to me, I love the character and her design in all the three forms and the voice they gave her is very good too. She is my favorite FF character overall and my favorite antagonist and is a really hard boss to boot! Some people claim that Seymour was the main villain of the game, but I think it was Yunalesca, if we really can consider her a villain at all.

But yeah, give the game another run, it is quite enjoyable.

She's a great character and a great boss, I found her harder than Jecht. Meeting her was one of the finest points of the game for me.

I've played through the game something like 6 times (maybe more, I have 6 save files completed on my memory card anyways) but haven't played through it atleast a year, maybe 2. Going to finish my game on FFXII then start up on X again me thinks.

 

[VirginBlack]

She's a great character and a great boss, I found her harder than Jecht. Meeting her was one of the finest points of the game for me.

I've played through the game something like 6 times (maybe more, I have 6 save files completed on my memory card anyways) but haven't played through it atleast a year, maybe 2. Going to finish my game on FFXII then start up on X again me thinks.

Indeed, Yuna’s entire journey culminates in her encounter with Yunalesca. It is the climax of the game, the moment where the most important decision is made.

Note how the game up until this point is strictly linear but once Yunalesca is defeated, you receive the airship and suddenly can go off and do whatever you want. The root of the problem was taken care of now. This tells that Sin wasn't important to go after right away. Yunalesca was the embodiment of the problems. Without Yunalesca, the religion of Yevon would have had no power and Sin would never be reborn nor would Seymour's plan to become Sin work. Defeating Yunalesca allowed things to be solved.

I have beaten the game two times from star to finish, back when it was released in 2001 and about two months ago. The first time I played it, I was not too impressed by it, in fact, I even bad mouthed the game and said it was a dissapointment. But having played it again, it has grown on me and I like it a lot, so much that I enjoy discussing about it

XII is a good one too, if you learn to appreciate the changes in the battle system and other areas. I liked it a lot and spent a good 80 hours with it.

 

[Donald Trump]

I'd say she is a villain. As it is her that goes to Bevelle and tells them that she can defeat sin and offer Bevelle immunity from sin as long as they honour her father. Remember Yu Yevon is Yunalesca's father. She allows herself to be used by Bevelle and ironically lets Bevelle gain power and destroy Zanarkand.

I don't think she is as much of an antagonist as Seymour as the Party only fights her once and before that they didn't really know about her, except for Auron who didn't tell them anyway.

As for Yunalesca, her being an unsent is also against Yevon's teachings right?

She pretty much started the religion, and I think it's not a teaching of Yevon but a tradition of Spira to send people.
but on a more practical level who would send her?

 

[VirginBlack]

I'd say she is a villain. As it is her that goes to Bevelle and tells them that she can defeat sin and offer Bevelle immunity from sin as long as they honour her father. Remember Yu Yevon is Yunalesca's father. She allows herself to be used by Bevelle and ironically lets Bevelle gain power and destroy Zanarkand.

I don't think that the bolded sentence is correct. Remember, Zanakard was destroyed before Yunalesca defeated Sin. Bevelle destroyed Zanakard in the war because it had superior firepower.

As far as the relationship between Yunalesca, Yu-Yevon and how things played out, here is a bit on Yunalesca from the Ultimania Guide which I found sometime ago:

As The Foundation Of Yevon's Teachings

Yunalesca's act of defeating Sin with the Final Summoning consequently gave rise to Yevon's teachings.

The doctrine of Yevon's teachings, which encourages stagnation and places hope in the Final Summoning, is virtually identical to what she advocates. Also, through receiving visits from those seeking the Final Summoning and seeing them speak of the teachings and hope, she comes to clearly learn of the teachings' contents and moreover, wishes for the people to follow them. In fact, without the teachings Yunalesca's ideals wouldn't have become widespread.

When Zanarkand became unable to escape its destruction, its ruler - Summoner Yevon - wanted to leave behind the city's memory. As a result, Sin was born and there was a need for hope - and today, the ideals of Yunalesca, daughter of Yevon, continue to live on through the Temples and psychologically control Bevelle, and indeed all of Spira.

Going from this info, it seems that Yunalesca was not entirely responsible for the creation of Yevon's teachings, yet her ideals and actions gave rise to them. Here is another bit from the guide:

Continuing The Cycle For Who's Sake?

Judging from her words and actions, Yunalesca genuinely cares for Spira and it's natural to think that she remained behind in order to carry on the best possible means of sustaining it. However, the following interpretations are also feasible.

Yunalesca and her husband had escaped Zanarkand at Sin's birth. And Yevon's teachings claim that Summoner Yevon gave his daughter the teachings with which to defeat Sin. In addition, there is room to suspect a conspiracy between Yunalesca and Yevon.

Destroying Spira with Sin wouldn't have been Summoner Yevon's original intention per se. The destruction of the world that housed the dream itself would include the likelihood of endangering the dream's continuation as well. It can be thought that Yevon entrusted the Final Summoning to his daughter for that reason. That he left behind a handful of hope by imparting the secret technique to his daughter, in order to prevent the people from completely going to ruin in their despair, while not interfering with Yu Yevon's continued existence at the same time. There is a possibility that Yunalesca remained in this world, accepting those instructions as well.

Alternatively, perhaps it was that Yunalesca herself, from deep in her heart, wanted to keep her father alive. She herself was also a citizen of Zanarkand, and Yevon's daughter. It could be that she has continued to grant the Final Summoning in order to keep her city's memory and her father alive, while also doing the same for Spira as well. Of course, all of these theories amount to nothing more than speculation.

In all the possible theories, I really don't see any villainous intent in her actions. All that she says even up to the moment she dies shows that she truly cared for Spira. The "conspiracy" between her and Yevon, if true, would be something that would bring about a win-win situation by granting hope to Spira while at the same time preserving dream Zanakard. Personally, I don't consider that "evil", especially if you consider the results (compare the situation of Spira in X with X-2 and you will see).

I don't think she is as much of an antagonist as Seymour as the Party only fights her once and before that they didn't really know about her, except for Auron who didn't tell them anyway.

In VIII you only fight Ultimecia once and before you do the party didn't know about her, the same goes for the last boss in IX (forget the name now). Yet, both of these are the true villains of the game. Yuna and the party did know about Yunalesca and who she was, they just didn't know that she was an unsent waiting for them in Zanakard (except for Auron).

Personally, I see Seymour as someone like Dalton from Chrono Trigger. A bad guy that bothers you a lot but who at bottom is not a necessary obstacle that must be overcome for you to accomplish your goal (stop the cycle of death). Yunalesca in the other hand is very much the obstacle.

 

[kikinak]

here is what i think.

1. while tidus was in the same zanarkin as yunalesca, he probably was too focused on blitzball and hating his dad too pay attention to the summoners(hence him thinking summoners were just a bunch of old geezers while in besaid) and thus had no idea who yunalesca is.

2. while swimming, jecht had a sin encounter and got zapped 1000 years into the future(just like tidus)

3. simple, jecht wasnt the first sin. yevon got pissed about the machina, created yu yevon, destroyed the cities, found out yu yevon got more powerful when he absorbed aeons, sin kept coming back for 1000 years when it absorbed jecht, jecht sent auron back 1000 years to make sure tidus got sent to current spira, tidus ended the deadly aeon to sin cycle

4. same as 1

5. duh

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directed more to the other people instead of the first poster, i think that tidus was in the same zanarkin that existed 1000 years ago. but when somebody becomes a new sin, their memories and such create the surroundings that you see inside sin

 

[Gabranth]

1. while tidus was in the same zanarkin as yunalesca, he probably was too focused on blitzball and hating his dad too pay attention to the summoners(hence him thinking summoners were just a bunch of old geezers while in besaid) and thus had no idea who yunalesca is.

Tidus is not from the same Zanarkand as Yunalesca - he, along with the Zanarkand he's from, is all a dream of Yevon. He had no idea who summoners were because they didn't exist in the Dream version. Yevon summoned up all the memories of Zanarkand before its destruction, and created 'Dream Zanarkand'. The surviving citizens of Zanarkand chose to become Fayth for the Aeons. As for Yunalesca...well she probably survived and chose to defeat Sin as a way of starting the religion of Yevon, and to start the chain of summoners defeating Sin, then becoming the next one; possibly, Yevon told her to. Just to add: the Zanarkand Tidus is from is locatedin current Spira east of the Ruins of the real one.

I distinctly remember someone asking why summoners existed even before Sin did. To answer that I say: Its Zanarkand's main attack force, instead of using machina or soldiers, they used summoners. I have no idea who the Fayth were though..

As for Yunalesca being the villain.....I disagree - surely Yevon is the villain for creating Sin in the first place. If Yevon were to die at the time of the war, then no Sin would be created, and thus Yunalesca wouldn't have such a purpose. Then again, it was Bevelle who invaded Zanarkand so they're at fault for starting a war.

 

[ff9kid]

haha

Okay, i'm going to list the things that are not explained in the story/or i miss them everytime i play!

1- Tidus is from the ancient machina city of Zanarkand, and there is no sin. Lady Yunalesca is also from this zanarkand, and is the first person to defeat sin. Which meant yunalesca lived BEFORE sin ever came, as did Tidus right? - So why had Tidus never heard of yunalesca/lord zaeon? - Maybe she wasn't famous until she defeated sin, i get that. But, when you enter Guadosalam manor, it shows Yunalesca as LIVING there/ in the bedroom [you know this from entering LeBlanc's bedroom in X-2, and seeing it is the same room, right? So, if Guadosalam was around then, why didn't tidus know? - On the same thought, Lenne from X-2 was a summoner, from ancient machina Zanarkand, which means that summoners WERE around while Zanarkand still existed, why didn't tidus know?!?!

2 - Tidus gets sucked into Sin, and taken to spira 1000 years in the future. Thats how tidus managed to get there, HOW THE HELL DID JECHT GET TO SPIRA!?, it says jecht went out to sea one day and never came back, presumed dead. Well i'm i weak swimmer admittedly, but surely even a Blitzball player can't swim for 1000 years into the future????!!??

3. Jecht is the current form of Sin [in spira] he was the most recent Final Aeon right?, sooooo, when sin attacks ANCIENT zanarkand , he is the first sin right? Coz nobody knows what it is. But Yunalesca killed the first Sin, right? So howcomes jecht is still around, if yunalesca killed it?

4. When your crossing the moonflow, and you see the sunken machina city, that was built on bridges, lulu and wakka say it was built more than 1000 years ago [machina and tidus era] - so why doesn't tidus know of this machina city built on bridges.

5. Current zanarkand [ruins], is located in spira. It is the zanarkand tidus lived in, but destroyed. - SO surely tidus lived in spira, just 1000 years in the past? Am i right?

6. How long does a calm last? How long is Sin around for until the calm. Calli, the little girl with her mum from the mihen highroad, says she is looking forward to the calm, her Mum says "WE are looking forward to ANOTHER calm lady yuna' - which means Calli remembers the last calm, right? she's only like 5yrs or something. I just don't understand.

I feel the only one who can answer this, is Maechen!!!!
After all he's an unsent, for 1000 years!

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[Legolas]

yunalesca was a tragic hero in my mind

 

[VirginBlack]

yunalesca was a tragic hero in my mind

I agree, and as a tragic hero it is her hubris that leads to the battle with the party and eventually to her downfall. That was her flaw, she was obstinate in the situation. Yet she fought and died for what she believed in. For all she knew, Sin could not be truly defeated, so she was opting for the best solution for giving hope to the people of Spira.

 

[Zeromus]

here is what i think.

1. while tidus was in the same zanarkin as yunalesca, he probably was too focused on blitzball and hating his dad too pay attention to the summoners(hence him thinking summoners were just a bunch of old geezers while in besaid) and thus had no idea who yunalesca is.

2. while swimming, jecht had a sin encounter and got zapped 1000 years into the future(just like tidus)

3. simple, jecht wasnt the first sin. yevon got pissed about the machina, created yu yevon, destroyed the cities, found out yu yevon got more powerful when he absorbed aeons, sin kept coming back for 1000 years when it absorbed jecht, jecht sent auron back 1000 years to make sure tidus got sent to current spira, tidus ended the deadly aeon to sin cycle

4. same as 1

5. duh

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directed more to the other people instead of the first poster, i think that tidus was in the same zanarkin that existed 1000 years ago. but when somebody becomes a new sin, their memories and such create the surroundings that you see inside sin

1. Tidus never existed in the real Zanarkand with Yunalesca. He only existed in dream Zanarkand, having been created from the memories of a man named Shuyin.

2. Neither were "zapped" into any future at all. They wer carried over to the real world from Dream Zanarkand. This stuff was explained if I'm not mistaken. >_>

3. No, Jecht wasn't the first Sin. And Yu Yevon was human summoner before he was a spirit that dwelled within Sin. And if I'm not mistaken, Yu Yevon, and Yevon, are the same thing! To be totally clear here, there was no time travel, ever.

 

[The Biscuit Butt]

She's a great character and a great boss, I found her harder than Jecht. Meeting her was one of the finest points of the game for me.

I've played through the game something like 6 times (maybe more, I have 6 save files completed on my memory card anyways) but haven't played through it atleast a year, maybe 2. Going to finish my game on FFXII then start up on X again me thinks.

I think I've played it at least umm 8 times? As soon as I finish VII, I'm going to play it again though, because this thread has really got me thinking about it. haha.