Andres Serrano's Piss Christ has been destroyed by Christian protesters in France

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...no-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters

This was my single favorite work of art ever.

I am at a loss for words.

I have recently heard people argue that Islam is a greater threat to the world than Christianity, as Christianity has become more modernized. I find this claim laughable, as neither brand of this barbaric faith is out of the stone age.

Do you think this is absolutely reprehensible, or just pretty fucking reprehensible?
 
Who cares?
It's a deliberately provocative and inflammatory photograph. It's not as if he can't piss in a jar and make a new one. That some batshit insane religious extremists were so enraged that they destroyed it proves nothing about religion. You can have all kinds of arguments about artistic freedom vs being offensive, but there's no point, it's just a fucking stupid piece of art.
 
I can understand very much, why they were angry. I mean Christians love God, like a Father. It would be like somebody making a picture of somebody pissing on your mum, or brother. It's insulting to them, so yeah, the rage they would have, would make total sense.
 
Well tbh, if the piece was made in protest of the misuse of religion, then I think I get what he was trying to go for with the piece--that something which is supposed to be holy/sacrosanct has often been symbolically thrown into the gutter, or "pissed on", whenever it has been used as the reason for corrupt actions in the world, such as wars and violence. In which case, if he's just making a statement that he doesn't like religion being misused, then I can fully support that, because I don't either. I can see where people would get offended by it however.
 
Ninja Yuffie said:
I can understand very much, why they were angry. I mean Christians love God, like a Father. It would be like somebody making a picture of somebody pissing on your mum, or brother. It's insulting to them, so yeah, the rage they would have, would make total sense.
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You mean like the muslim riots that happened when "the prophet" was drawn in a cartoon as well as the death threat issued against the artist?

So you are excusing the physical violence used on the guards?
 
This amused me:

"The gallery director, Eric Mézil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do"."

I think that's the best reaction possible. All that the fundamentalists proved was that they are insane. The more over-the-top extremists get, the more people are pushed from religion. What kind of sub-humans have to hide from or destroy the (non harmful) point of views that they dislike?

Anyone who actually advocates or condones the destruction of the piece of art for those reasons is a complete idiot, plain and simple. There wasn't even a purpose behind the attack other than it being their manifest asspain and their inability to handle it. These Christians are the same as the extremist Muslims who called for the murder or terrorizing of those cartoonists, just marginally less dangerous.
Björk said:
That some batshit insane religious extremists were so enraged that they destroyed it proves nothing about religion.
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I doubt you'd see the same reaction from atheists if people burned or pissed on Darwin's Origin of the Species.
 
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Actually, there are already plenty of instances of pissed off Christians who have destroyed the artwork from various other ancient civilizations (so if you've ever wondered why some Greek statues have limbs, noses or other parts of the statue unnaturally destroyed, now you know why), and they were pissed off quite simply because the artist worshipped some other god, or because the piece of work was in some way considered blasphemy to them--it wasn't even that they were promoting secular thought or criticizing religion; it was that they were choosing not to glorify religion or because they happened to belong to another religion, and chose to express their belief through art.
They're just really being unfair. So actually, it has plenty to do with religion. If religious ideas can drive other people to destroy artwork or the expression of others because it promotes intolerance towards people of different religions (choosing to worship anything other than god) or not being critical towards god quite simply because of might makes right, fear of hell and blind faith, then clearly, this has everything to do with religion.
 
:rofl:

First paragraph: "When New York artist Andres Serrano plunged a plastic crucifix into a glass of his own urine and photographed it in 1987 under the title Piss Christ, he said he was making a statement on the misuse of Religion."

And yet here we are, in similarly sharp discordance, misusing the artist's own message.

His conveyed intention wasn't to undermine Christianity, but to undermine those who would use the religion for their own gains.

However, (this also being a point I argued in the Aerith and her Belief thread) the author's work and the ideas portrayed aren't static and there can be meaning embedded in the work that the author never intended.

Some people got offended and perhaps rightly so and we've reached this conclusion. In the end if you're at risk of offending, you're at risk of getting a punch in the face, regardless of whether it's 'right' or 'wrong'. Some people need to wake up to these eventualities.

Emyunoxious said:
I find this claim laughable, as neither brand of this barbaric faith is out of the stone age.
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Says the guy who's hate for Christianity is so compulsive he has to attempt to offend at every given opportunity. It's you that needs to get out of the stone age you obsessive bigot.
 
I don't care, really. If it had been done to create a problem against Christians, oh well, should have seen it coming. At least all that happened was a picture being torn. Oh no, such evil peoples! T.T

I'm use to people doing this to offend Christians and the religion, so it itself doesn't bother me none. Children will be children. ;)

Wačhéčhičičhiye.

I have recently heard people argue that Islam is a greater threat to the world than Christianity, as Christianity has become more modernized. I find this claim laughable, as neither brand of this barbaric faith is out of the stone age.
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You should really re-read your own post and then start to check things off on which does what and when it did what.
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Alright guys, let's not start with the eye-poking and name-calling. Let's try and keep the thread civil please. Thank you.
 
Harlequin said:
However, (this also being a point I argued in the Aerith and her Belief thread) the author's work and the ideas portrayed aren't static and there can be meaning embedded in the work that the author never intended.
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This is true, and I feel that art can be appreciated (or disliked) on many different levels based on personal interpretation. To act on a personal interpretation this way is ridiculous as best.

Some people got offended and perhaps rightly so and we've reached this conclusion. In the end if you're at risk of offending, you're at risk of getting a punch in the face, regardless of whether it's 'right' or 'wrong'. Some people need to wake up to these eventualities.
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I think people in general understand that this is a very real consequence. The artist most likely did. But people shouldn't be afraid of reprisal for expressing their views if they do them in a peaceful, even if offensive, manner. Someone may have the right to be offended, but they don't have the right to not be offended.

Hell, I wouldn't even be bugged by this if they did something with a bit more meaning. Like painting over it or parodying it or something. Slashing it is barbaric and meaningless. Not to mention doing so in broad daylight and armed...

At least such acts firmly place a label on such individuals as dangerous to civilized society. I don't see how this is any different than the extremist Muslim reactions except in severity. Emyunoxious may be intentionally barbing, but he's correct. Organized Christianity and Islam seem to be festering breeding grounds for this brain-dead extremism.
 
unadulteratedawesome said:
This is true, and I feel that art can be appreciated (or disliked) on many different levels based on personal interpretation. To act on a personal interpretation this way is ridiculous as best.

I think people in general understand that this is a very real consequence. The artist most likely did. But people shouldn't be afraid of reprisal for expressing their views if they do them in a peaceful, even if offensive, manner. Someone may have the right to be offended, but they don't have the right to not be offended.

Hell, I wouldn't even be bugged by this if they did something with a bit more meaning. Like painting over it or parodying it or something. Slashing it is barbaric and meaningless. Not to mention doing so in broad daylight and armed...

At least such acts firmly place a label on such individuals as dangerous to civilized society. I don't see how this is any different than the extremist Muslim reactions except in severity. Emyunoxious may be intentionally barbing, but he's correct. Organized Christianity and Islam seem to be festering breeding grounds for this brain-dead extremism.
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Well like you said, they knew of what could come out of it. As the old saying goes, you reap what you so.
I have no remorse for the 'aggravators' or 'aggravatees'
 
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Sum1sgruj said:
Well like you said, they knew of what could come out of it. As the old saying goes, you reap what you so.
I have no remorse for the 'aggravators' or 'aggravatees'
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Some people are aggravated by various things. Being insultive towards someone without true malicious intent is very common, towards both theists and atheists (and every cute little denomination, cult, sect and philosophy you can fit in between the two).

But ...I'm sure one beautiful sunday morning, when a mormon missionary rings the wrong doorbell and encounters a rabid bloodthirsty atheist, who proceeds to burn the mormon's bibles and blasphemes, you'll be the first one to say "I have no remorse for aggravators". Both in the end, are malicious destruction of one's property and downright stupid ways to resolve some conflict that mostly exists in one's imagination.

If one expects others to respect their religious convictions and opinions and their expressions, he should respect the opinions and their expressions too.


PS. An omnipotent god doesn't need anyone going around doing pseudochivalrous acts, I'm pretty sure he can take care of his omnipotent self if they bother him.
 
Emyunoxious said:
I have recently heard people argue that Islam is a greater threat to the world than Christianity, as Christianity has become more modernized. I find this claim laughable, as neither brand of this barbaric faith is out of the stone age.
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I don't think you can argue that both potentially are a huge threat when placed in the hands of evil or corrupt people. Its not the god or religions fault, its the people taking it to extreme levels with the means of serving their own purpose. Christianity will always have more focus on love then hate, and its just "PEOPLE" that make it a problem. Same with guns, I think we should all be allowed to own them, but it doesn't mean you won't have people that abuse them, and how dare others infringe on my right to have them because others are fucking around.
 
seriously, what's wrong with modern art, it's all about pee, shit and semence... these so-called artist should really grow-up and get above their anal phase...

That being saied, of course I don't agree with the christians who dit that.

A few days ago a famous satirical french newspaper made a special "allah" edition, inviting allah as a guest to give his opinion on the state of the world. 2 days later some muslim integrists burned the newspaper's local.

Those "godlover" should really get a life and stop trying to censure.
 
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