Anima. [Spoilers]

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I finished a playthrough of Ten a little while back...and I noticed something that I couldn't quite reconcile.

You know when you're moving through the Dome at Zanarkand, and you see a couple of groups of past summoners and the choosing of which guardian will be the Final Aeon? Near the end, they show a young Seymour and his mother offering herself to become the Final Aeon. We know she does this and become Anima, right? Right.

In that case, if Anima is a Final Aeon, wouldn't summoning her have killed Seymour? Furthermore, does this imply that Seymour made a pilgrimage to defeat Sin (why else would he be in Zanarkand?)? I thought about it...but found no acceptable answers. Lemme hear some opinions here. :gasp:
 
Yeah you do see Seymour and his mother in Zanarkand, I think his mother wanted to become and aeon to protect Seymour, but Seymour, being.. well himself desired more power, which eventually lead to his obsession with Sin.

I don't think she was the Final Aeon of his, but i'm not sure, I think she was just turned into a normal fayth like Valefor, Ifrit, Shiva etc.

I don't think he was on a pilgramige, (although there is a probability) because when you see the flashback in Zanarkand he doesn't want his mother to become an aeon, he wants her to stay with him, and she reassures him. (to my recollection)

But after seeing the power of Anima
(Aka his mother)
he wanted more power, and as mentioned above, became obsessed with Sin.

So I do think she became Anima yes, but I don't think she was a final aeon, well think about it this way, Yuna can get her too. Final aeons are supposed to be unique. :monster:
 
I certainly do recall that, but this was my thoughts on the matter. I'm pretty sure this happened before they actually met with Yunalesca, and it was just a matter of seeing past summoners and their guardians, but knowledge of the faith not existing was still unknown. I basically took it to mean that she was visiting Zanarkand in order to become a faith (which in turn granted the Aeon). I believe most of the faith were people that were still living, but basically volunteered to sacrifice themself in order to bring hope in defeating Sin. So I took it as a visit to volunteer to be a faith (why Seymour was crying because he didn't want to see her go) to grant a general Aeon (as opposed to the Final Aeon) and Seymour was just there to see his mother leave. I think acquiring Anima gives a little more background for this information, as you'll see the conversation with her (or it might be when visiting all the chambers again after acquiring the Aeons, but you do get to speak to her and she apologizes about Seymour).
 
Anima was indeed Seymour's final aeon.

The reason summoning her doesn't kill him is because the summoning of a final aeon alone does not kill the summoner. What kills them is when that final aeon defeats Sin, and Yu Yevon merges with that final aeon to create a new Sin, thus destroying the bond between summoner and aeon (which the fayth of was someone the summoner was very close to, as it is this bond that creates the strong power of the final aeon) and killing the summoner through the intensity of this.

Using the final aeon in general does not kill the summoner. The final aeon is no different to any regular aeon, the only difference is that the fayth is made from someone the summoner has a strong bond with, and thus that bond makes the summoned aeon much stronger for that person. It all comes back to what you're told in the first fight against Belgemine - I think it was something like "Thus, the Ifrit one summoner calls can be very different from that of another summoner."

And on that note, hypothetically (since it never happens in the FFX storyline), were a summoner to become extremely powerful and use a regular aeon to defeat Sin, that too may kill the summoner. However, it may not, since the bond would not be as strong as a final aeon for which the fayth is someone the summoner is close to.
 
killiancurse21 said:
Anima was indeed Seymour's final aeon.

The reason summoning her doesn't kill him is because the summoning of a final aeon alone does not kill the summoner. What kills them is when that final aeon defeats Sin, and Yu Yevon merges with that final aeon to create a new Sin, thus destroying the bond between summoner and aeon (which the fayth of was someone the summoner was very close to, as it is this bond that creates the strong power of the final aeon) and killing the summoner through the intensity of this.
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I may be missing something but I don't remember the specifics being mentioned in the game. I think it just said when the final summon is summoned the summoner will die, that's about it. If I missed this then please tell me where you found this information, because I don't remember it. xD

killiancurse21 said:
Using the final aeon in general does not kill the summoner. The final aeon is no different to any regular aeon, the only difference is that the fayth is made from someone the summoner has a strong bond with, and thus that bond makes the summoned aeon much stronger for that person. It all comes back to what you're told in the first fight against Belgemine - I think it was something like "Thus, the Ifrit one summoner calls can be very different from that of another summoner."
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Wasn't that just to prove how you can upgraded your aeon's statistics and abilities? Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i'm sure that's it, I don't think they'll reveal something like that mid-battle really.
killiancurse21 said:
And on that note, hypothetically (since it never happens in the FFX storyline), were a summoner to become extremely powerful and use a regular aeon to defeat Sin, that too may kill the summoner. However, it may not, since the bond would not be as strong as a final aeon for which the fayth is someone the summoner is close to.
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But that's the idea, only those with a strong bond may become the final aeon, the bond itself is basically the energy to fight Sin. (what i'm guessing from what Yunalesca said)
I think the final aeon either takes too much strain on the summoner to summon, and they die upon summoning, (this is how I used to look at it) or as you said the bond with the final aeon is what kills the summoner, it would make sense.

Or the final aeon could actually kill the summoner with force, think about it, when
Jecht changes into the final aeon, he states that "he won't be able to control himself anymore" or something of the like.

So it could be through brute physical force really, I mean, with how beastly
Braska's Final Aeon/Jecht
is and the speculation around Penance possibly being a final aeon, I doubt the summoner would have a chance.
 
The reason Jecht cannot control himself when Tidus and co meet him is because he has been taken over by Yu Yevon. If you look, just before the battle, a small flame flies around and merges with him - this is Yu Yevon posessing him.

I can't find the exact line describing how they kill the summoner, but I'm 100% sure of it. It might have been in a flashback or sphere in X-2, not sure, I only checked the FFX script for it now.
 
killiancurse21 said:
And on that note, hypothetically (since it never happens in the FFX storyline), were a summoner to become extremely powerful and use a regular aeon to defeat Sin, that too may kill the summoner. However, it may not, since the bond would not be as strong as a final aeon for which the fayth is someone the summoner is close to.
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A regular aeon defeating sin would not kill the summoner. If that was the case, Yuna would have died at the end when she summoned all the aeons to fight Yu Yevon. In fact, she wouldn't have even managed them all. Just the one would have done it.
 
Since the bond itself must be strong, only people who are close to the summoner may receive the power of the Final Aeon. This is why Anima is weaker for Yuna.

As for Penance, it was created to oppose Sin - just like Vegnagun was. Penance means 'repentance for sins' so if you interpret this into the game, it was supposed to destroy Sin in order to repent sins.
 
Yuna+Tidus=♥;553095 said:
A regular aeon defeating sin would not kill the summoner. If that was the case, Yuna would have died at the end when she summoned all the aeons to fight Yu Yevon. In fact, she wouldn't have even managed them all. Just the one would have done it.
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Not nessecerially. Her bond with those aeons may not have been strong as it would be (storyline-wise) between a summoner who had been using one aeon for a long time and that aeon, she may have been more prepared for it, or it could even be that the fayth were somehow protecting her.
 
That's reading into it far too much. And I don't see how her bond with the aeons may not have been as strong as it would be with others. Killing them seemed to tear her apart (she even states this in X2). Such deep thought into it isn't necessary and is mostly just speculation.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.
 
Doesn't mean the bond couldn't've been stronger, or if it was even that in the first place that made her feel so bad about it. For all we know, it could have simply been due to how much they had helped her - this wouldn't nessecerially mean they're /close/.
 
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