Are there any evil characters?

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Are there any evil characters in Finaru Fantajiaru Tenaruji?
I think not.
Seymour isn't evil, he's an odd guy just trying to end the world's suffering.
Yu Yevon and Yunalesca weren't trying to fuck up shit for everyone, that happened as a result of their actions, but not deliberately.
Sin was just a big whale guy who couldn't control himself, can't blame him for that.
The only people who come close are the Maesters. They seem to be the only people exploiting what is happening for their own benefit, it doesn't quite make them evil, but it does make them cunts.

What do you think?

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Seymour is evil. Just because he wanted to end suffering doesn't mean that destroying the world isn't evil. Also he killed his family too... That's evil!

the maesters are evil too
 
i dont know

i think trying to end the world is pretty evil regardless of motive :wacky:
 
It depends on your definition of evil.
For me, as long as you have the conscious effort to make innocent lives more miserable (killing, injuring, etc), then you are evil.
So Seymour, Yunalesca and the Maesters are evil to me.
 
I gotta be honest Seymour was pretty evil, regardless of "why" or "how" he still killed his own father and almost wiped out the entire Ronso race ...pretty evil actions if you ask me
 
Honestly Seymour I saw as evil, cause he did want to destroy the world, no matters what the motive.
Yunalesca I didn't see as Evil
The Maesters, not All but some were evil.

They both thought they were doing what was best for Spira. Yunalesca showed people a way to defeat sin, when no one thought there was a way, and She decided to remain unsent, and not be with her loved one, to show people the way to defeat sin.
 
That's an interesting question...you have a point. Everyone is blaming Seymour here. Though he WAS evil, if I remember correctly his father had told Yuna in the sphere that it was somehow his fault for not being there for Seymour or something like that as he was growing up. In the game, race is a BIG issue and Seymour is half human half Guado. He lost his mother due to her becoming a fayth, I believe. Remember that scene with him as a kid when you reach the ruined Zanarkand of Spira? If he was left alone without anyone to protect him in a racist world with so much hatred and evil comments...well, who he is in the game is the result. Of course, he didn't have to become that evil to the point of even murdering his father and harming the Ronzo tribe, but think about it, and this is a video game, so drama is extended, lol. But actually these things can happen in real life. FF7 and 10 are basically, to me, reflections of our world.

As for the maesters, I forget. Well...it was that they knew all the religion would never make Sin disappear and "repent" the "mistake" of Zanarkand, right? I forget why they did it, but I think it was to give the people hope, a reason to keep living? So, yeah, not really their fault, but it was horrible of them, too, nonetheless. They could have focused on how to deal with him the way we eventually did in the game and used religion as an individual decision to keep up with just as prayer for hope and the best even with sin, the way many do with God.

I'd say the real evil(s) are Seymour and the maesters. For the record, Seymour reminds me so much of Sephiroth for their similarities. How ironic that their names start with an S and are long, lol.
 
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Seymour is evil. Period. He wants to end the worlds suffering, by destroying it. That has evil intention written all over it. Yu Yevon is evil, Taking over sin to destroy Spira. The Maesters were pretty corrupt. Jecht wasn't a villain, to say that he is evil is wrong. Don't wanna spoil anything.
 
Ignorant Penance said:
Seymour is evil. Period. He wants to end the worlds suffering, by destroying it. That has evil intention written all over it. Yu Yevon is evil, Taking over sin to destroy Spira. The Maesters were pretty corrupt. Jecht wasn't a villain, to say that he is evil is wrong. Don't wanna spoil anything.
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I don't think Yu Yevon was evil. He didn't create Sin to destroy the world, he created Sin to protect the faith who were summoning the dream Zanarkand. He lost his mind because of the power, he can't control what he does anymore, he's no longer even human. I really think he's kind of a tragic character. He was their leader and gave his life like all the other faith did, in order to try and keep all they loved alive in some form.

The maesters and Seymour though? Definitely evil.
 
Other than the obvious "Seymour being evil", I would say Jecht was also evil simply because he was a right cunt towards Tidus. You'd have to be pretty evil to treat your own son like that. And I couldn't care less that he was sorry afterwards. :mokken:
 
The Welsh Paddy said:
Other than the obvious "Seymour being evil", I would say Jecht was also evil simply because he was a right cunt towards Tidus. You'd have to be pretty evil to treat your own son like that. And I couldn't care less that he was sorry afterwards. :mokken:
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Hah, I can't even remember most of his relationship with Tidus, but are you talking about the last scene where he says "Sorry" once before you have to battle him as Braska's Final Aeon?
 
I'm not sure that not being the greatest father of all time to your child would classify you as evil. Based on how memories unfold in the latter half of the game, Tidus hating Jecht seems to be rooted in his mother openly caring more about him than Tidus. At one stage he even starts bawling and his mother ignores him until Jecht says she should go see to him.
 
When your son is Tidus and you're not the best father to him upon realising that you, one of the greatest and most charismatic sports stars ever, have created with your loins, a son like that, I don't really blame you. I'd ask myself too what horrible deity had assigned unto me such a fate. Jecht may have been a bit of a jackass father, yes, but it's hardly anything evil, given what we see and learn of him with certain spheres, and within Sin.

I don't think Yu Yevon was really evil. He just wanted to protect his homeland from being rained down upon by Bevelle weapons of mass destruction, but created a weapon that as unforeseen to him, would wipe away his city and his humanity. He and Sin since have only been creatures of instinct, cyclically performing for a millennium what was originally magically programmed to do. Sure, Yu Yevon's initial means of using a magical whale to level advanced civilisation might have been cruel to innocents, but they were in a middle of a war and it looked hopeless for Zanarkand.

Yunalesca, I err, don't really know for sure. Maybe closer to misguided than evil? She was given the task of providing summoners their final Aeon and was just fulfilling it. Her decision to go homicidal on the characters was meant to be an act of mercy.

But then again, Seymour's goal of just absolute world destruction was meant to an act of mercy from his point of view, so that slightly complicates how I categorise them. Then again, Seymour is simply off his rocker entirely. I know he has this sob story, but it's a considerable leap to reach this stage of merciful genocide. And I think only he believes it is merciful, while everyone else seem rather taken aback by the thought of purposefully destroying the world, so Seymour's probably as evil as you can get. I don't see Yunalesca planning on killing everyone on the planet.

The Maesters are perhaps the closest the game gets to traditional organisation villains in other JRPGs. You know, the band of theocrats that want total hegemonic dominance over the world with false dogma to subjugate the masses who are easy to bend to their will. The very dogma that they willingly stick a middle finger to. But is that evil? I don't know, they do kind of bring stable political order and peace at least. Well, I guess if you like your freedom, your anti-racism stance and you're not keen on theocracies, you'll understandably think the Maesters are evil. I'll just say they're corrupt pricks.
 
I don't think Jecht is a good father, but he's not a bad one either, he doesn't beat or abuse Tidus in anyway. He just doesn't show a lot of affection, he is a manly man.

I don't think Seymour is evil. I think it his motivation for wanting to kill everyone that matters. He wants to kill them to end all suffering, he thinks Sin cannot ever be defeated, therefore people will be living in constant fear and will suffer a lot of pain after Sin attacks them and kills some members of their family.
 
That is not the best argument for him not being evil, because I don't think any villain actually views what they are doing as wrong or incorrect for the most part. Our heroes managed to defeat Sin with a Final Aeon in the end, which makes it seem like Seymour didn't spend too much time thinking of an alternative to his kill everybody plan.
 
Most villains don't care about the lives of the people they kill, they see them as collateral damage at best. Kefka wants to be a god and goes around zapping people, Ultimecia kills everyone when she uses Time Compression, Vayne doesn't care about the people that get killed etc etc. Seymour does care about the people that is why he is killing them. The only reason Yuna and co. decide not to go along with the final aeon thing is because they have Tidus and Auron there. Tidus is from dream Zanarkand and Auron was killed by Yunalesca last time round so they have different ways of thinking about things.
 
Seymour was Evil, Sin was Evil, as are most of the Maesters. how can you argue that they arnt evil? trying to kill and destory everyone and everything, thats evil. Oh yeah and didnt seymour murder his family? yeah...not evil at all :P
 
If you're gonna draw up different lines to define "evil" from "cunt" then sure, they're all cunts.

I don't know how you can say Yu Yevon isn't evil. It's like if L Ron Hubbard turned himself into Godzilla and destroyed EVERYTHING while convincing people that not being Scientologist is what brought it upon them. Not sure how you don't see that as fucked up.

Seymour wanted to kill everything to end suffering. Insane. Mass genocide could only be considered evil, however, if you had say... I don't know... a brain stem.

Silly thread is silly. It boils down to bordering on semantics on what's defined as "evil" or not.
 
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If you're gonna draw up different lines to define "evil" from "cunt" then sure, they're all cunts.

I don't know how you can say Yu Yevon isn't evil. It's like if L Ron Hubbard turned himself into Godzilla and destroyed EVERYTHING while convincing people that not being Scientologist is what brought it upon them. Not sure how you don't see that as fucked up.

Seymour wanted to kill everything to end suffering. Insane. Mass genocide could only be considered evil, however, if you had say... I don't know... a brain stem.

Silly thread is silly. It boils down to bordering on semantics on what's defined as "evil" or not.
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What did Yu Yevon do that made him evil? Tried to save his home, his people? Tried to preserve the memory of all the loved ones who had died? His decision wasn't to turn into a monster and reap revenge, his decision was to give his life (along with all the other fayth) to summon the dream Zanarkand. Sin was only meant to be his armour, but the power stripped him of his mind, he was no longer in control of his decisions, of anything, he lost his whole mind. How can he be evil if he's not actually making the decisions to do evil things?

The way I see it, if someone chooses to do something that harms and hurts others for your own personal gain, that is evil. Yu Yevon doesn't fall into that category.
 
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