Baby Mama's really grind my gears!

[Aztec Triogal]

People are idiots if they think getting your wang sucked equates to popping out welfare babies. It is true that young parents typically are less mature than their older counterparts but every one is fucked up by their parents to some extent. It's all a matter of how much the parent tries, not their age. And just because a young person might be promisculous does not mean they're going to have half a fucking army of babies nipping at their heels. I'm honestly a little tired of thirteen year olds entering these threads and speaking like they have any clue of what they're talking about. Just because Barney and friends tell you pussy is bad, doesn't mean it is. Use your fucking brain, think for yourself, and quit relying on tiny toon adventures for you sex statistics.

 

[Dean Winchester]

20 might be acceptable but it's still young. Barely 2 years shy of 18...The point I'm trying to make is that not everybody is going to be ready to have a child and it's not fair to stereotype those who aren't. Just because we may not have been ready for a family financially or stably doesn't make us stupid and that's the impression I'm getting from this thread.

And about the young girls...it's not always their fault either. A lot of the young ones having sex nowadays is from peer pressure. A lot of guys are pushing their girlfriends to do it more because it'll make them seem cool, and a lot of them are so young that they're not going to realize what it's like or what's going to happen. The mind is still naive. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid. It's not like they're doing it just for the sake of getting pregnant (except for maybe a select few). If you're not having sex with your man nowadays with girls that age, then you're not "cool" or whatever. Hence the pressure to do it. I just don't like the whole comparing real life and humanity with a movie as stupid as "Idiocracy" because I have seen the movie and I'm sorry, but I disagree with that being the future.

Yes, I know Sis. It all has to do with friends pushing others to do things they don't want to do just to get in the group. I say that is quite selfish and immature to ask or even dare someone to do. Honestly, if a man truly loves a woman then he will wait for her right time instead of getting all pricky and pushing her to the limit.

Using the phrase "if you love me, you will...." is quite selfish and ....argh it disgusts me.

 

[Donald Trump]

Using the phrase "if you love me, you will...." is quite selfish and ....argh it disgusts me.

Yes it's emotional blackmail, but sex is a part of all healthy relationships, especially at a young age. Pressure will always be applied by people to get what they want. There's huge pressure on chicks to put out, if they don't their boy friend will likely try to find a girl that does. It's not nice and it's not fair, but life isn't. I think that you're right that, if the guy truly did care he would wait for the girl to be ready, but that at age love hardly comes into it. Also to be fair, it works both ways, whilst the guys may just be looking to get laid, the girls aren't exactly looking for Mr Right.

Anyway away from the rather sordid topic and onto what the OP had a problem with, giving money to people having babies and not to people in her situation.

Teenage mothers are the most likely to need money than anyone else. Because they have not had time to earn money. Anyway without that money they would be in poverty, trying to raise a child by yourself without financial aid from the government is a hard thing to do. ( Note this has nothing to do with anyone's ability as a mother, just a comparison of difficulty to mothers without said aid) There's the criticism that it creates a culture of dependency, however given that 2k is provided for one child, the time it takes for a child to be born, alone makes it unlikely.

The second point that the OP made was that the money would be better spent if allocated to people like herself.
If the OP is a university student, then there are student loans available. Now these have to be paid back, and due to huge amount of students enrolling at uni each year, a granty of 2k is unfeasible.
If the OP is not a student, then she is (no offensive meant) a normal person, and therefore entitled to all the grants available to everybody, eg grants for setting up a business, and though slightly different, social welfare. As the latter already exists, taking away the money for children, is just a dead weight loss.

 

[Shu]

Also I'm not sure where all this "forced" situation sex came from, last time I checked it wasn't from popularity it was because people realising the benefits of an intimate relationship. Now the problem is with these kids is they have no earthly idea what they are doing in the sack (bed).

The only education that a dude might have at that age is watching porn and you see where that gets people. He couldn't screw himself out of a paper bag, let alone a girl his age. (no offense to the opposite sex). So to be able to pull out and not have any form of birth control is a practiced technique, not something these kids understand yet. I have no idea how it might be from the girl's perspective either, but I imagine if she has the same lust he has for her.. well I imagine they get lost in the moment to.

The only other option for kids that are dating is to join the "JUST WAIT" program (abstenence) and I could only see heavy Christians in it, who had never touched the opposite sex, but that's being judgemental.

 

[The Illusive Man]

If they absoutley cannot wait though my advice is do what every intelligent adult single male does out there, "never leave home without em"

I can honestly say I always carry protection because life is full of suprises and things happen you dont often plan on, but to always carry protection with you means you avoid one more unintended obstacle you didnt want (STD's or up the duff)

As a counter-measure as a more mature mid-20's adult I also visit the STD Clinic every 3-6 months as well (depending on if I have a new partner or whatnot), its not an insult to them, its common sense and looking out for us both!

In my entire sexlife (which has been actually a busy one shockingly so) so far I've only ever had one pregnancy scare, and that was because the condom split, but rather than run the possible risk of an unwanted child my partner and I went to get her the morning after pill. of which being the man I am I paid for, and rightfully so!

If the child was unplanned but is wanted that is a different scenario entirely however, and I have every respect to all parents out there willing to make the effort to raise there children, unplanned or planned.

Children are indeed a blessing (one im not ready to recieve yet) and should be treated as such and not abused!

Just my outlook on the protection side of things, yes I can be quite sensible when I want to be

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

Teenage mothers are the most likely to need money than anyone else. Because they have not had time to earn money. Anyway without that money they would be in poverty, trying to raise a child by yourself without financial aid from the government is a hard thing to do.

This is very true. No matter who the person is, they still need that money in order to provide for their child.

But from what I've seen (and it may not be everywhere) there has been a lot of children neglected. I have seen some girls who just went and got their nails done and then clothes shopping for themself while their baby sits in a pram in only a nappy.

They can't have that glamorous life they would have had if they hadn't had the baby. None of these girls work obviously and the boyfriend wouldn't be bringing in too much money from the work available in this area.

It just makes me sick that they think that it's okay to spend their money on wasteful things like that, when it's obvious their child isn't getting what it needs. Yet people like me save every penny (and me and my partner both work) so that we can afford a house and provide a stable life for the child we love, and yet haven't even conceived.

I knew a few of these said girls personally at one stage and could no longer have anything to do with them because of their bizzare ideas on raising a child. =/

The second point that the OP made was that the money would be better spent if allocated to people like herself.

If the government decided that people like myself deserved a little break then maybe girls would consider other avenues for getting the money 'they think they deserve.' Instead of always taking the easy road, (which they think will be easy at first) and having kids.

They think, "We won't have to work, our 'current' boyfriend will provide for us. I'll get to have lunch with all my pregnant friends'.

This isn't the best area for making those decisions. Unless your parents are the richest and most understanding people in the world I wouldn't recommend it. Boys will not stick around majority of the time to support them.

If the OP is not a student, then she is (no offensive meant) a normal person, and therefore entitled to all the grants available to everybody, eg grants for setting up a business, and though slightly different, social welfare.

None taken. I just think that if the government took a little more time to ensure that money was given out appropriately in the form of vouchers etc then we wouldn't have this problem as much.

I mean what is a teenage girl going to do with nappy vouchers?

Unless she's pregnant there will be no benefit and hopefully it may make them think a little more.

It's true that when you're about to have sex you get caught up in the moment, however that's never stopped me or my partner from taking a mili-second time out from grabbing a condom.

Sadly too many people think it won't happen to them and there goes whatever plans they had, at least for a few years. Not saying that studies and traveling can't be done, it does however make it a lot harder to achieve and you will find that most girls will want to stay with their child over taking a trip overseas.

You may say 'Well this is obviously how my life was meant to be. I love my child and this is what I want.'

I think it's lying to yourself (not about loving the child part) and then that's when parents try to live their dreams through their children later on in life.