Casey Anthony.

[Marquis of Granby]

No I would not have something to say about that systems, but to the people in control of it. I believe we have a fair system among other options, but of course mistakes will be made.

you would talk about the system to the people in control of it? i think we're on the same wavelength here.

if you believe the current system is fair then what's the problem?

 

[Roland_Deschain]

On a side note, the "saving tax money" is never a worthy argument/incentive because it costs far more to hand out death penalties than it does to put someone away in prison. The trials and appeals and paperwork and whatnot isn't free; the only way in which the death penalty could save tax money is if trials were conducted lazily and with a premeditated intent to convict, and if those convicted were killed in cheap/inhumane ways, which would fly in the face of human rights/the concept of "justice."

The tirals and appeals will come either way for other things. And the death penalty only costs as much as the methods of execution, which I believe now to be lethal injection. I don't believe the price of a lethal injection to cost more then food and possible medication that can not be determined. Not to mention the proccess of apealing him during a life sentance, and the containment and wages based on containing him in the first place.

And the ratio of murders can have a more head first slap in the face of those thinking of murder, so it could either lower murder rates, or build more buildings to hold more killers. In a way of looking far down the road the death penalty could be an insentive depending on the example it sets.

you would talk about the system to the people in control of it? i think we're on the same wavelength here.

if you believe the current system is fair then what's the problem?

People are the problem

 

[Ilyena]

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is not about the death penalty but people's opinions on the Casey Anthony trial/verdict. There is a thread on capital punishment if you want to further discuss your opinions on that particular topic. Thanks.

 

[Rapture]

I myself am having problems with the not guilty verdict.

I know whats done is done and etc... But to be honest, it reminds me so much of the OJ Simpson trial and I am not overly angry with the verdit itself because it is what it is...but what I am displeased with is the lack of faith I have in our justice system here in the United States. You can kill someone and very easily get away with it.

I haven't been watching the precedings and etc...on C-Span everyday...just the nightly news...and it really has been a complete circus down in Florida. Attorneys laughing during the court dates and etc... Really? A little 2 year old baby died and I find any reason for laughing in that court room really ridiculous.

To me, it was fairly obvious that SOMEONE in that family killed little Caylee. They were heavily searching Chloroform, death, and neck-breaking on their family pc's via Google. Tell me how on an odd day you are bored and decide to look up something like that? Searching like that on the internet I think shows intent. Also, Caylee had 3 strips of tape across her mouth with heart stickers from her home. Tell me how the presence of that doesn't indicate that the person who killed her was close to her and had access to her personal belongings...and would an ordinary killer really bother "dressing up" or decorating the duck tape that is used to silence their victim? Not to mention the hair follicle showing decay and the smell in Casey's trunk? Who uses their car to carry around stinky garbage? Really?

Whats also ridiculous is how Casey was obviously lying about information to the police, her "better life" tattoo she got one month after her baby was found dead and her moving on from the death literally within a month of the death by partying excessively.

The whole thing really makes my heart break. There really is very little, if any justice in our society today. God bless that little baby. She doesn't have to suffer in this world anymore. ...and the person who killed her, whomever it is...if they don't pass judgement in this world, I'm sure they will in the next.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

I was surprised that she got off on it, but to be honest, it just goes to show that the system is flawed. It also goes to show that you don't have to be OJ Simpson to get off on murder charges. I suspect we can find a book in a year or two written by Anthony with the title "I Didn't Murder my Daughter, But If I Did, Here's How I Would have Done It".

Personally, I believe she did it. But, there's no point in complaining. She can't be tried for it again under Double Jeopardy. Shit happens, people kill people, and there are times when "justice" isn't served. You just have to learn how to deal with it.

But hey, look at the bright side. Next to no one believes her to be innocent. Odds are, she'll be getting funny looks for the rest of her life. But hey, she's kind of cute. I'd tap dat murderous ass with the fist of an angry god.

She just better keep the silverware away from my junk.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

It seems to me it had to be Casey

who killed the child.No doubt about it.If it had been an accident all she ever had to do was to tell the truth.Instead she lied and lied about it and let 31 days go by before telling reluctantly it seems her mother that the child was missing.
This jury was as clueless as the jury in the OJ Simpson case.A bunch of absolute imbiciles.
If you have someone in your custody and they die and you lie about it and dispose of the body, then what is the most likely cause of death ?Homicide at your hands.Why lie about it otherwise ?

A clear miscarriage of justice.

And a hollow victory.Where will Casey live ? Her mother, father, brother and other relatives hate her now.
How will she live ? She lived by stealing from her own family and friends.

I presume that some idiot will buy her story.I presume also that Playboy or Penthouse will make an offer.Maybe the porn industry as well.A hot body contest.rotfl.

If not..she'll have to move away from FLA and change her name. Maybe get plastic surgery.

So she'll find a way to make a living.A disgrace to our justice sytem here in the US. A shame.

 

[Stories]

Honestly, given her behavior, about how she partied and neglected to report her child missing, and her internet history and all that stuff, she's guilty. It really doesn't take a genuis to figure that out, an idiot could do it. I don't see why any jury or judge would find her innocent of murder and child abuse and neglect.

To me, these sort of things tell me there's something going on behind the scenes here, but that's just me.

 

[Mr. Gorilla]

If it had been an accident all she ever had to do was to tell the truth.

People often do stupid things when it comes to shit like this.

Maybe, perhaps, she didn't tell the truth because the American justice system is corrupt and ridden with prosecutorial misconduct, and that if she told the police, she would be put up as a murder suspect with a media circus demonizing her (Which, surprise, surprise, is exactly what happened)? Maybe she was scared and in a panic (Which is reasonable to expect of a person to which this happened)?

This jury was as clueless as the jury in the OJ Simpson case.A bunch of absolute imbiciles.

How so? Were you there when the jury considered and came to their decision (This type of shit usually happens off-camera)?

Homicide at your hands.Why lie about it otherwise ?

Again, you'e assuming people are perfectly logical with incidents such as these and are perfectly trustful in the justice system.

And a hollow victory.Where will Casey live ? Her mother, father, brother and other relatives hate her now.
How will she live ? She lived by stealing from her own family and friends.

If her family hates her because of all of this and is unwilling to forgive her (If she did it, that is), then her family is terrible at being a family. You're supposed to love your kin, no matter what stupid fucking shit they do.

She'll probably make a living for herself. The people who won't leave her in peace/forgive her/accept that most people--no matter what vile crimes they've committed--are capable of redemption are no better than the murderer she was made out to be.

The only people who deserve pain approaching that of execution/lifelong hatred are the sadistic people who consider such things proper "justice."

A disgrace to our justice sytem here in the US. A shame.

It would be a disgrace to our justice system to sentence someone to life or to death when there is reasonable doubt (Of course, our justice system is fucked up as it is with all the prosecutorial misconduct and innocents on death row we have here).

Honestly, given her behavior, about how she partied and neglected to report her child missing, and her internet history and all that stuff, she's guilty.

You can't convict someone based on her personality alone. That's stupid, and corrupt.

Furthermore, as to how she partied and shit, look to my response to the other guy above. She may just have been stupid/lacked common sense/thought she would be made in to a media target.

Either there's reasonable doubt or there isn't. There wasn't sheer proof, and there was reasonable doubt.

I don't see why any jury or judge would find her innocent of murder and child abuse and neglect.

Because there was reasonable doubt.

 

[Oliver Queen]

The thing that doesn't get me is the fact that she didn't report the shit when it first happened. I don't care who you are, but something should happen to you if you go out and party instead of looking for your own kid.

But I suppose the defense DID do one thing right by not putting her on the stand. If she went on, she probably would have screwed up, and the verdict might have been different.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

Was I there when

John Wayne Gacy was convicted, Mason was convicted ,any murderer was convicted and of course I wasn't at any of those convictions..Of course not.It doesn't make them any less guilty because I wasn't there or Mr Gorilla weren't there.

shrugs.

Of course the American justice system is flawed.Name one that hasn't been flawed ?
Obviously we saw a flaw today.

Hate ? The hatred within families is among the strongest kind of hate there is. Mr Gorilla:You really think they will forgive her ? Of course not.If she had been my daughter I wouldn't have forgiven her.I don't care if someone chooses to criticize me for being unforgiving.There's some things you can never forgive.Murder being one of them.

Anyway, a lot of people are angry over this.It should prove interesting to find out what happens to Casey after this, whether she sells her story, ends up in Playboy or in porn, her likely only choices at making a living as she will be a pariah for the rest of her life.

I hope she enjoys the bed she has made for herself.

 

[Mr. Gorilla]

John Wayne Gacy was convicted, when Mason was convicted when any murderer was convicted.Of course not.It doesn't make them any less guilty because I wasn't there or you weren't there.

shrugs.

You're essentially saying "I believe she's guilty despite not being certain that she's guilty so she should be convicted."

Of course the American justice system is flawed.Name one that hasn't been flawed ?
Obviously we saw a flaw today.

Of course it's flawed. But today? We didn't see a flaw today.

There was REASONABLE DOUBT. If she was convicted for first degree murder, then yeah, there would be another flaw.

Hate ? The hatred within families is among the strongest kind of hate there is.

That's... silly. In an ideal family, there is no hatred, and people love eachother despite their flaws. That's because they're, you know, families. That's what families are for.

You really think they will forgive her.Of course not.

I'm not talking in terms of what will happen but what should happen.

If she had been my daughter I wouldn't have forgiven her.I don't care if someone chooses to criticize me for being unforgiving.There's some things you can never forgive.Murder being one of them.

Why is murder unforgivable? The person you will be ten years from now is not the same person you are now.

A murderer isn't some evil spawn of Satan. A murderer is a severely flawed person, but the thing about people is that they can grow, adapt and change. A murderer is not beyond redemption, and it takes some form of barbaric, backwards, and most importantly illogical morality to believe that a murderer is.

Again, the only people who deserve to be hated are those who believe that there is justice in hatred. The only people who should have their eyes removed are those who think an eye for an eye is a worthy exchange.

Anyway, a lot of people are angry over this.It should prove interesting to find out what happens to Casey after this, whether she sells her story, ends up in Playboy or in porn, her likely only choices at making a living as she will be a pariah for the rest of her life.

I hope she enjoys the bed she has made for herself.

This is disgusting, and is exactly what the American media loves to do: pick a criminal, and make a bad guy out of him/her. Fuck, they're human. They shouldn't be treated as lesser than us; we should help them improve.

If Casey Anthony really is as evil as you're making her out to be, then she'll show no remorse and kill again.

 

[Stories]

Honestly, I'm not meaning to a jerk, but I'm raging anyways (for irrelevant reasons), and that's- I don't even know what to say you.

There is no cause for reasonable doubt. Any mother who doesn't report her child missing after a few hours is basically child neglect. And then neglecting to report her missing for 30 days? CHILD NEGLECT.

She may just have been stupid/lacked common sense/thought she would be made in to a media target.

Whether or not she had common sense is irrelevant, that's still neglect and crap.

There was things on their internet history, such as that Cholo-whatever, and neckbreaking. Seeing as that's how she died, there is no way there is reasonable doubt that. That's too much to simply be a coincidence.

Who cares what her personality was? That's irrelevant. I said behavior, not personality. They're two entirely different things. Personality is her general approach to people, shy/outgoing, clean/messy, etc. Behavior is what you do. That may be based upon personality, but you certainly do have a choice in it - especially in things such as partying. You can choose to party and neglect your missing daughter, or you can not. You can choose to google neck breaking and choloform or not.

If her family hates her because of all of this and is unwilling to forgive her (If she did it, that is), then her family is terrible at being a family. You're supposed to love your kin, no matter what stupid fucking shit they do.

So if you and me were siblings, and we had a brother, who was killed, and all the evidence was pointed to me, you'd still love me? You wouldn't kick me out? As much as I love families being close, that's not a real situation that's going to happen.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

Mr Gorilla.

You have your right to your opinion of course but I disagree with you.
There are no ideal families.

All families have problems, some more than others.

I think Casey is a psychopath.
Heck she may or may not kill again.
Karla Holmoka hasn't killed again after she was released by the Canadian government.
She and her boyfriend killed 4-5 young women including Karla's own sister if I recall correctly..
I doubt Karla's family has forgiven her.Smiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka

Anyway, I am sorry that some people feel I am being unduly harsh towards Casey.I believe she got away with murder.

 

[Shu]

Honestly, I'm just glad the cunt is off the screen. So much dramatics is making America look like total tool-bags. No offense, worse things happen in other countries. They just aren't televised because they aren't American white women.

Who cares is my opinion. If she did something, well karma will reap its benefits later. Just look at that OJ prick, I'm sure he enjoys losing everything. The verdict to me, I'm sure was because of a plea of some kind. I mean there are some damn good liars these days, scary to say the least. I just hope she doesn't have another any time soon.

You can tell she barely has a soul as it is. Though I'm not entirely sure she did it. She might have had someone else do it all the same. The only shame of it all, is I doubt any further investigation will go on to find the link between the death of the daughter. It'll just be dropped like a sack of potatoes. Poor kiddo.

 

[Terra Branford]

I still think she's guilty. Whether she killed the kid herself or had some plot in it, I still think it. Too bad I can't prove it though...

When your child is missing you don't go out partying, and you sure as hell cry, even if its just a little bit. She didn't even shed a tear (well, once she did) when her daughter was missing and then found dead. Why is it that when she thinks she's going to get in trouble, she starts bawling in front of the jury and judge? The look in her eye just seems wrong; she lies, she steals, she uses people and she was willing to stick the blame of Caylee's death on a innocent woman. And her car had chloroform in it, and her OWN PC had the searches: "neck breaking", "how to make chloroform", and "death". If the child died from drowning, why did Casey put duct tape over Caylee's mouth? How does that even make sense? What kind of psycho writes this after their child has died or gone missing?

I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out OK. I completely trust my own judgment and know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means. I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see – This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow– I've made new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with good people – I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.

If only the dead could talk...

And now little Caylee's death will die and her justice will never be served. A child lost her life and a murderer is possibly still out there or was just let back on the streets.

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@Shu:

You can tell she barely has a soul as it is. Though I'm not entirely sure she did it. She might have had someone else do it all the same. The only shame of it all, is I doubt any further investigation will go on to find the link between the death of the daughter. It'll just be dropped like a sack of potatoes. Poor kiddo.

I'm not sure she did it either, but the look in her eye just screams she had something to do with it. I don't buy the crap about Caylee drowning either...

Well it seems like she was guilty, though you have to wonder, if she was so definitely clearly guilty, how she was found innocent?

Well just because she was found innocent in the court room doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. A lot of crimes go under the system for all sorts of reasons, especially for the "not 100% sure" reason. Lots of people commit crimes and get away with it because of the system, so...

If she didn't do it, great. If she did do it, way to go jury. You let a child murderer free.

 

[Yaoi Master Gavin]

Honestly, I've not been able to care less about this, despite trying. So the kid died. The mother is a horrible person. Whatever. The way I see it, its the end of another potential population increase on an already overpopulated world.

Maybe people will go and harass the mother and she'll end up killing herself. That's fine too. It's just been a waste of so many resources.

 

[Ness]

There is no cause for reasonable doubt. Any mother who doesn't report her child missing after a few hours is basically child neglect. And then neglecting to report her missing for 30 days? CHILD NEGLECT.

Unfortunately, she was on trial for capital murder and not child neglect/abuse. Perhaps there's even enough evidence to prove her guilty of that...but that doesn't make for good television, now does it?

There was things on their internet history, such as that Cholo-whatever, and neckbreaking. Seeing as that's how she died, there is no way there is reasonable doubt that. That's too much to simply be a coincidence.

Is it too much? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'd like to think that if I had a person's life in my hands I would weigh my hypotheticals a lot more carefully.

I think Casey is a psychopath.
Heck she may or may not kill again.
Karla Holmoka hasn't killed again after she was released by the Canadian government.
She and her boyfriend killed 4-5 young women including Karla's own sister if I recall correctly..
I doubt Karla's family has forgiven her.Smiles.

From what I read of the Holmoka case (admittedly, not a whole lot), we have an apples-and-oranges scenario here. The controversy behind the Holmoka case was that the prosecutors cut her a deal and later video evidence revealed that she was much more involved and did not deserve the plea. Keep in mind that prosecutors are people too and don't like to lose. Besides, if Casey took a video of the murder of her child...I don't believe that this thread would even need to exist.

Honestly, I'm just glad the cunt is off the screen. So much dramatics is making America look like total tool-bags. No offense, worse things happen in other countries. They just aren't televised because they aren't American white women.

That last sentence in particular is my biggest problem. Stuff like this happens more often than we realize, but we generally don't care because the demographics don't match what the media finds to be "entertaining". We act all indignant and angry about this case...but how much do we really care about ALL cases of child abuse and/or murder? We just made a circus out of a single case, and it makes us all look like fools.

Honestly, I've not been able to care less about this, despite trying. So the kid died. The mother is a horrible person. Whatever. The way I see it, its the end of another potential population increase on an already overpopulated world.

Well, I feel this is a tad extreme in the other direction...

 

[Terra Branford]

"So the kid died"? You should care, even a little. A child lost her life. Finding the murderer of a child (any murderer!) is not a waste of resources.

Would you want justice for someone who murdered one of your family members? A friend? Would you want the person who killed you to still walk around to harm another person...?

 

[CassinoChips]

There is no cause for reasonable doubt. Any mother who doesn't report her child missing after a few hours is basically child neglect. And then neglecting to report her missing for 30 days? CHILD NEGLECT.

She wasn't being charged with child neglect. She was being charged with child murder. She may be guilty of neglect, but that doesn't make her guilty of murder.

There was things on their internet history, such as that Cholo-whatever, and neckbreaking. Seeing as that's how she died, there is no way there is reasonable doubt that. That's too much to simply be a coincidence.

That's what they call circumstantial evidence. It's interesting, and can be used to lead to a point, but it objectively proves nothing, other than that they searched those things during that time. It does not place a murder weapon in anyone's hand, etc.

Who cares what her personality was? That's irrelevant. I said behavior, not personality. They're two entirely different things. Personality is her general approach to people, shy/outgoing, clean/messy, etc. Behavior is what you do. That may be based upon personality, but you certainly do have a choice in it - especially in things such as partying. You can choose to party and neglect your missing daughter, or you can not.

What, exactly, does the partying thing show? You can make any number of arguments out of it.

1) She killed her daughter and was reveling in that fact.

2) She killed her daughter and was trying to show it didn't bother her, despite the fact that it did.

3) She didn't think her daughter was in danger (missing/dead/whatever), thus had no conscience to fight.

4) She knew her daughter was missing/dead, but just wanted to be a regular person for a night, and not cooped up in the house dwelling on her dead/missing daughter.

5) She's in her early twenties, therefore relatively dumb.

But again, it's circumstantial. Does it look bad? Certainly. Does it prove anything? Not a thing.

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It's amazing how little I care about this whole debacle. It's not the first time a mother had killed her child/ren, it won't be the last. Is it sad? Certainly. Should it be frontline news eevvveerrry single night? Ugh. No.

 

[Yaoi Master Gavin]

"So the kid died"? You should care, even a little. A child lost her life. Finding the murderer of a child (any murderer!) is not a waste of resources.

Would you want justice for someone who murdered one of your family members? A friend? Would you want the person who killed you to still walk around to harm another person...?

So you mean to say the money spent publicizing it, harassing both sides, and debating it over this lengthy time, was a good use of resources? Skewed view...

ANd yes, but of course then I actually have an attachment to them. Any one I don't care about its just that, someone I don't care about. And even still if someone offed my sister, I'd simply laugh my arse off about it and dance on her grave.