Define: Rape

[L]

I was discussing this on another message board and I'm interested to see what members here think.

to get the ball rolling, my argument is that;

rape is an act of aggression; not pleasure. it is purely a form of physical/sexual assault out of complete necessity to express hostility and outright attack someone.

 

[Crimson Crashing]

Your usertitle made me laugh.
Otherwise, rape is disgusting.
Just a way for perverts who are sick of pleasuring themselves and are inclined to inflict pain on someone else.

 

[Exoskeleton]

Did you change your usertitle and avatar to go with this thread? XD

I think rape is gross and the sickos who do it should be put away!

 

[Channizard]

Alright well since no one else is really offering to discuss something other than "raep is bad, lawl", I'll bite.

Rape to me, is more than just a physical aggression. You could be in a loving committed relationship and get raped by your loved one. It could just be something as simple as you had a bad day at work, aren't willing to be physically intimate with your loved one, but they have needs.. so they guilt you, and therefor emotionally force you into having sex.

While this isn't the typical classification of rape such as a pervert taking you in an alleyway and forcing himself on you, it is a form of emotional abuse on you, and through doing something that you're not comfortable and feel like doing at that very moment, I think it's as bad as rape. This happens in many households but it often gets overlooked, because you love the person and you would never consider them as someone who would want to hurt you, right? But by them putting their physical, sexual needs above your emotional needs, they're raping you, and ultimately the relationship.

 

[Terra Branford]

I define rape much like how you do.

Most rapists get their kicks off of causing pain, they get responsive to it (pain and forced actions) and that's when they rape. I define "rape" rape exactly like you do.

But Channizard's post is interesting because its also true. I know a few people (yes, they are much older than me >.>) who talk about the guilt sex and I often compare it to rape, because as Channizard explained, they are guilting you into sex -- which is much like rape.

*just realizes I should rep Channizard for post lol*

 

[Rasputin]

The "modern culture" definition is that rape is whenever a woman regrets having sex with a man and wants to get back at him for it.

My view of rape is that it occurs whenever someone is having sex without giving consent.

 

[Gaige]

Rape, in my opinion, is sexual intercourse where someone is being forced into it without their consent. You can go into details about oral sex and what ifs, etc, but it's a very simple definition for me.

 

[L]

My view of rape is that it occurs whenever someone is having sex without giving consent.

This is where I got caught on the subject.

There were scenarios of "shit happens" with the involvement of drugs, blackmail, etc... Remember at this point, we are arguing the definition of rape, not how rape can be relative to other similarly disturbing offenses.

At a few points in the conversation, I was told that if I decided I was going to use drugs, suddenly woke up the next morning in bed spooning with two guys, that I was raped.

I'm just a little confused about how people have perverted the term so much from it's original meaning that they can't understand what it means when it's looking them right in the face.

I mean, like I don't mean to be an asshole, but consensual sex is called consensual sex for a reason.

I'm not talking about just sitting down with someone who's so trippin' so bad that they can't tell up from down and just starting to have sexual intercourse with them.

Guilt sex was also covered in the conversation too, but I feel like people like to twist the word rape around for women in that particular scenario since they can become pregnant.

It's an eyesore of the subject, but I just don't feel that it actually falls into the definition of rape.

edit:

Did you change your usertitle and avatar to go with this thread? XD

no

i changed my usertitle to rape me because it's a good nirvana song and i feel like my life has been raped

 

[Gaige]

I think if someone willingly takes enough drink/drugs to consent to sex, then cries rape afterwards, has no real right to make a case on it. Yes, someone might have taken advantage, but you got yourself in that situation.

Since I was never in that position, I guess it's easy for me to talk, but does it really make sense to addle your mind with weed or heroin, have sex, then scream rape when your mind is back to normal, you're a fool.

Rape is sex that someone hasn't consented to under any circumstances.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Okay, I'll bite.

I don't think rape has to be physically sexual. I think if a person talks to you bad enough, that it is almost the same thing. If I make you feel violated in anyway, then I think it's a bad thing. Whether I touch you or not.

 

[alec]

A lawyer I met once told me that the definition of rape is "the act of forcing sex unto someone" (or something like that).
So, taking into account the scenario of finding yourself in bed with someone because you were under the influence of drugs/alcohol, I guess you can say that, technically, it's not rape since you got yourself in that situation.

But let's take into consideration the fact that you were drunk/high (DRUGGED, idk), which caused you to consent to have sex. Had you not been under the influence of alcohol/drugs, you would've resisted. Then, in that case, wouldn't you have the right to report the incident as "rape"?

idk, I remember having watched a trial on something like this once, wherein a woman filed a case of rape against a marine. She was actually drunk herself, but the man who raped her wasn't. There are so many things to take into consideration when you talk about this sort of thing. =/

 

[Bambi]

Just because you are arseholed, doesn't give anyone the right to take advantage when you quite clearly cant walk/think/act straight. That would be like, oh you are so drunk, I'l just take all your money off you. you are drunk, you deserve it, serves you right etc etc

I don't think it's as black and white as some people like to make out, sure there are the women that cry rape because they regret doing the act, whilst having a few too many, and that's just despicable

I'm not sure I completely agree with the being in a relationship and backing down for the easy life though - they would either go in a huff and that would be the end of it or THEN force it upon you. I know I've been badgered to the point of fucking FINE. dont expect me to do anything but lay here though

Rape to me, is having sex with some one that does not/can't consent

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Rape:Carnal knowledge of another persons physical body against there consent.

Sounds about right........there is a lot grey matter in this area what constitutes rape, when sexual intercourse becomes rape, the physical or mental motivation of the aggressor, if a person is vulnerable should they be taken advantage off?

To me the definition is all of the above, its a disturbing aspect of humanity and needs to be studied to its full end because once the defining act that involves the forced sexual penetration/abuse of a person against there will "why" is up in the Ether.

Verbal abuse does not equal "Rape"........that is Verbal abuse and is classified as such.

No rational person can hope to know how a Rapist comes to the point of being able to act that way, whether mentally or environmentally pushed to act in this manner i all leads to the same point.

Obviously its wrong and should not be done under any circumstances, whether on an individual or group action its wrong.

The definition is set, Opinions are what change our feeling about the act.

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

Rape to me, is more than just a physical aggression. You could be in a loving committed relationship and get raped by your loved one. It could just be something as simple as you had a bad day at work, aren't willing to be physically intimate with your loved one, but they have needs.. so they guilt you, and therefor emotionally force you into having sex.

While this isn't the typical classification of rape such as a pervert taking you in an alleyway and forcing himself on you, it is a form of emotional abuse on you, and through doing something that you're not comfortable and feel like doing at that very moment, I think it's as bad as rape. This happens in many households but it often gets overlooked, because you love the person and you would never consider them as someone who would want to hurt you, right? But by them putting their physical, sexual needs above your emotional needs, they're raping you, and ultimately the relationship.

This isn't something I've ever really thought about before and it's definitely made me have a think about it, but technically I still don't consider it rape.

Emotionally you may be hurt, but how is the other to know that unless you just come out and say, 'No.' Yes it may be hard but if you don't want it you need to say so.

If you are guilted into having sex I don't really classify that as rape, as you are still giving consent, regardless if you want to or not. If you don't come out and say, 'No' and be perfectly clear with the other person, well then that's you're fault for not putting your foot down and you can hardly say he/she raped you in my opinion. =/

If you were to say no to your partner and they still went ahead and had a go then yes I would say that is rape. But that's just my thoughts on the matter.

To me, rape is when either the male or female is forced to have sexual intercourse without consent.

 

[Valkyrur]

I probably follow the commonly perceived definition of rape.

That it is an act of physical aggression that forces an unwilling party into sex, such that it may, usually, cause emotional, and possibly, physical, hurt to the aforementioned.

I don't support rape at all... That is, if rape's being regarded like the above, as something that is forced upon an unwilling party. Especially in the case of strangers- classic cases, like a rapist kidnapping a woman to some secluded spot, with some dramatic music playing in the background as the woman keeps screaming. :\

 

[Ewan]

Emotionally you may be hurt, but how is the other to know that unless you just come out and say, 'No.' Yes it may be hard but if you don't want it you need to say so.

If you are guilted into having sex I don't really classify that as rape, as you are still giving consent, regardless if you want to or not. If you don't come out and say, 'No' and be perfectly clear with the other person, well then that's you're fault for not putting your foot down and you can hardly say he/she raped you in my opinion. =/

If you were to say no to your partner and they still went ahead and had a go then yes I would say that is rape. But that's just my thoughts on the matter.

To me, rape is when either the male or female is forced to have sexual intercourse without consent.

Ha, you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I think I agree with all of this.

As for having sex with people who can't give consent (i.e. them being drunk, high etc) I wouldn't call that rape. I think that would be more along the lines of molesting or something like that. When I think of the word rape, I think more along the lines of violent attacks or forcing someone who expressly doesn't want to.

 

[VinnieJones]

It's an interesting question this. When I was reading the threads about pedophilia in the past, not many referred to the attacks as rape; more as abuse. Is having sexual intercourse with a child who doesn't know what it going on considered as rape or not?

As for the case of someone forcing their partner into having sex, I don't consider this rape if they are in a relationship. Being in a relationship is, in a way, giving each other permission to have sex in itself seeming as both are living as one; I just feel it's part of the responsibility of starting a relationship in the first place. That's the way I view it anyway (mind you, I've never done it to any of my partners ).

As for having sex with people who can't give consent (i.e. them being drunk, high etc) I wouldn't call that rape. I think that would be more along the lines of molesting or something like that. When I think of the word rape, I think more along the lines of violent attacks or forcing someone who expressly doesn't want to.

What about the cases where drinks have been spiked with alcohol/drugs (Drug-facilitated date rape)? The victim is being put into a situation where they lose control of their body and, as you say, cannot give consent.

If the offender is weakening the body of the victim on the sole purpose of having sexual intercourse with them, surely that counts as rape (a form of 'tactical rape', let's say)?

I don't support rape at all...

...who does?

 

[Ewan]

No, because I don't think someone who can't say no is the same as someone actually saying no. I would call it molesting.

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

As for the case of someone forcing their partner into having sex, I don't consider this rape if they are in a relationship. Being in a relationship is, in a way, giving each other permission to have sex in itself seeming as both are living as one; I just feel it's part of the responsibility of starting a relationship in the first place. That's the way I view it anyway (mind you, I've never done it to any of my partners ).

Technically it is rape if you are forced into having sex and you have already said 'no' to your partner. =/ Forcing someone into sex is classed as rape, regardless if you are in a relationship with them or not.

No one owns you just because you happen to be in a relationship with them. It's your body and if someone has sex with you against your wishes then it is rape.

If you can't 'get any' from your partner anymore, forcing sex on them is not the way to go about it. You either talk things over with them and be mature about it and if you aren't getting what you want, you can either stick by them and whatever issues they may be having, or you can leave.

You do not rape them. =/

No one should think it's okay to just 'go for it' against their partners wishes simply because you're a couple. =/ You should have respect for the other person and to be quite honest, it's not really all that good when the other one is just laying there and waiting for you to finish. It's sounds quite disturbing actually. =/

 

[GBJoker]

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Girl on girl, girl on guy, guy on girl, guy on guy, it doesn't bloody matter.

Rape is intentionally creating a situation where one feels uncomfortable sexually, whether through verbal or physical means.

I've been through both. I know the difference between joking around, and being a pure jerk, that I've managed to successfully modify my attitude and mannerisms around people to not do the same to them.

I swear, the fact that the question even exists anymore is proof that our society simply doesn't want to advance itself.