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Indeed he wasn't. The info states that he viewed her as a daughter and a sister, and his feelings towards her were that of an older brother, before his nervous breakdown.
Detailed Kefka Info From an Ultimania Style Book on FF VI
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Indeed he wasn't. The info states that he viewed her as a daughter and a sister, and his feelings towards her were that of an older brother, before his nervous breakdown.
deltaseven
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Well, apparently the actual Creation Materials do not say Kefka viewed Celes as a daughter and sister. He also was not abused in the orphanage.
Most of the info is apparently not directly from the FFVI book.
Most of the info is apparently not directly from the FFVI book.
This is interesting and it certainly adds more substance to the character of Kefka. If they ever remade FFVI, I'd love to see him and Celes interact more often, as it sounds like it would make for some really fascinating scenes.
TrueSephiros
Blue Mage
Which is why he'll always be one of the most boring FF antagonist ever, however with this information from the Ultimania book, it has thrown up interest notches to his character, so we finally get to see what pushed him to become the Kefka we would know by VI.
Definitely a nice read, and a most welcome bit of info, considering the depth of his character in VI the game was a deep as the relationship between Generation 1 Megatron and Starscream.
(Sorry to necro post! I was pointed to the thread recently and I thought it would be okay to post here. I'm sorry if I wasn't allowed to 
FFVI section needed more activity anyway ^.^)
There are some shaky parts of this translation. He couldn't have viewed her as a sister (unless the creator of the book that was translated changed everything like they usually do), he couldn't have.
If I remember correctly, he wished to marry Celes int he game, right? Maybe I should replay it, but that's what I remember. I haven't played the game in two years, but I'm at least 50% sure.
Also, the information about Kefka being at a orphanage and was abused, was out longer than this translation was out. Not only that, but some of this stuff doesn't match up with the stuff from the FFVI guide books/character books.
Not to mention, several (books and small interviews from the actual cast) sources say that he didn't think of Celes as his doll, but Terra as his doll.
Ah, something I remember hearing a while go. I brought this up a millions in the pass 5-6 years (yes, I've love FFVI that long) but people kept saying it was wrong -- glad to know I was right in at least most of it.
Poor Kefka, that's probably why he put the Slave crown on her lol
FFVI section needed more activity anyway ^.^)There are some shaky parts of this translation. He couldn't have viewed her as a sister (unless the creator of the book that was translated changed everything like they usually do), he couldn't have.
If I remember correctly, he wished to marry Celes int he game, right? Maybe I should replay it, but that's what I remember. I haven't played the game in two years, but I'm at least 50% sure.
Also, the information about Kefka being at a orphanage and was abused, was out longer than this translation was out. Not only that, but some of this stuff doesn't match up with the stuff from the FFVI guide books/character books.
Didn't Kefka say that he viewed Celes as strong? He's never, in the original game (unless it was changed, like FFVII), shown that he thought of her as weak, especially after the breakdown.
Not to mention, several (books and small interviews from the actual cast) sources say that he didn't think of Celes as his doll, but Terra as his doll.
Explain please? I didn't view Celes as mentally damaged, not once. What exactly was wrong with her mind, if I may ask? Besides her torching a village (which is really that wrong mentally, generals would actually do that). I've never seen, heard of or read, anything that painted Celes as a mentally damaged person. Not once.
Now, what the hell? Kekfa doesn't view Gastra that way. He kills him on the flying Continent without a second thought. That was either made up, or they changed Kefka's character -- but they forgot about his actions in the actual game.
Ah, something I remember hearing a while go. I brought this up a millions in the pass 5-6 years (yes, I've love FFVI that long) but people kept saying it was wrong -- glad to know I was right in at least most of it.
Poor Kefka, that's probably why he put the Slave crown on her lol
@Terra: I don't remember Kefka saying anything about wanting to marry Celes (I played the PS1 port of the SNES game, so maybe there was more info added in the GBA version?). He wanted her to join him in world domination before the World of Ruin, but that's it.
Personally, I really like all the info. You made a good point about the Gestahl thing, but maybe during the course of the game, Kefka just became more and more deranged and whatever original feelings fo respect he had disappeared?
EDIT: Also, in terms of booklets/manuals that come with the game, I don't find them 100% correct anyways, so if one official source contradicts with what came in the manual, I usually go along with the new official source - maybe things got lost/changed in translation, right?
Personally, I really like all the info. You made a good point about the Gestahl thing, but maybe during the course of the game, Kefka just became more and more deranged and whatever original feelings fo respect he had disappeared?
EDIT: Also, in terms of booklets/manuals that come with the game, I don't find them 100% correct anyways, so if one official source contradicts with what came in the manual, I usually go along with the new official source - maybe things got lost/changed in translation, right?
(Sorry this is late. All the threads in the FFVI area disappeared on me....I just found out how to view them all)
Well, I wasn't really talking about booklets or manuals, but actual Character profile pages, history book on 6 and a few others, like the sketch books explain a bit.
I remember seeing the translation done to say exactly what it said in Japanese. At the point I'm talking about, Kefka is swearing, calling Celes the B word and things like that. I remember the translator of it saying that Ted wasn't allowed to keep all of the real, mean things Kefka said and instead, made him say silly things that were also creepy.
The translation done to show what the Japanese version said, mentioned that Kefka hinted that he and Celes should rule the world as Queen and King, kinda hinting at "marriage". The game also mentioned, in both Japanese and English, that Gastahl wishes for Kefka and Celes to rebirth the planet with their children. Which, in the English version, wouldn't make much sense. Why would Gestahl just say that?
Its sorta like when Sabin and Terra first met and they were saying completely different things. It would be the first time Ted messed up, nor would it be the last
Well, Kefka was nicknamed "Shark" because he honestly and secretively, hated Gastahl for everything. He has always wanted to take Gastahl down, one way or another.
He thinks he's a old, insane man that has lost his touch. Not to mention, Kefka wanted revenge for humiliating him in front of the world by demoting him and then promoting Celes to a very, very top rank around the age of 16-17.
Kefka loves no one but himself, and a few of the translations I have gathered over the webz say that the books explain Kefka's hatred for the old man.
He actually looked at Cid, from what the few interviews I had at some point, as a "father" figure until the injection and he went bonkers.
Now, about the "Celes being the doll" thing.
I know its wrong-mc-wrong because Kefka would dress Terra up and tell her to be still. He dress her up like a little doll because of a couple of reasons, I think I remember one being that her skin was pale as a child. :s
Another because she was seriously... "neglected" a lot as a child, locked up in a tower and was forced to obey every command from Kefka.
There are a few pages someone translated for me on an old FFVI forum that said he'd make Terra help him dress up in front of a mirror.
(Which, if I remember correctly, was one of Kefka's hobbies
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Well, I wasn't really talking about booklets or manuals, but actual Character profile pages, history book on 6 and a few others, like the sketch books explain a bit.
I remember seeing the translation done to say exactly what it said in Japanese. At the point I'm talking about, Kefka is swearing, calling Celes the B word and things like that. I remember the translator of it saying that Ted wasn't allowed to keep all of the real, mean things Kefka said and instead, made him say silly things that were also creepy.
The translation done to show what the Japanese version said, mentioned that Kefka hinted that he and Celes should rule the world as Queen and King, kinda hinting at "marriage". The game also mentioned, in both Japanese and English, that Gastahl wishes for Kefka and Celes to rebirth the planet with their children. Which, in the English version, wouldn't make much sense. Why would Gestahl just say that?
Its sorta like when Sabin and Terra first met and they were saying completely different things. It would be the first time Ted messed up, nor would it be the last
Well, Kefka was nicknamed "Shark" because he honestly and secretively, hated Gastahl for everything. He has always wanted to take Gastahl down, one way or another.
He thinks he's a old, insane man that has lost his touch. Not to mention, Kefka wanted revenge for humiliating him in front of the world by demoting him and then promoting Celes to a very, very top rank around the age of 16-17.
Kefka loves no one but himself, and a few of the translations I have gathered over the webz say that the books explain Kefka's hatred for the old man.
He actually looked at Cid, from what the few interviews I had at some point, as a "father" figure until the injection and he went bonkers.
Now, about the "Celes being the doll" thing.
I know its wrong-mc-wrong because Kefka would dress Terra up and tell her to be still. He dress her up like a little doll because of a couple of reasons, I think I remember one being that her skin was pale as a child. :s
Another because she was seriously... "neglected" a lot as a child, locked up in a tower and was forced to obey every command from Kefka.
There are a few pages someone translated for me on an old FFVI forum that said he'd make Terra help him dress up in front of a mirror.
(Which, if I remember correctly, was one of Kefka's hobbies
)
Cecil Strife
A.K.A. Cecil Strife
Wow, Kefka was born a day after me. (He's older than me, but my birthday is Nov. 18.)
The stuff about Kefka playing with dolls and dressing up in front of the mirror is kinda creepy when you read it at 1:30 AM.
Thanks for all the info! It only makes Kefka sound more like an insane maniac, but thats why we love him!
I feel bad for him having to go through all that as a kid.
The stuff about Kefka playing with dolls and dressing up in front of the mirror is kinda creepy when you read it at 1:30 AM.
Thanks for all the info! It only makes Kefka sound more like an insane maniac, but thats why we love him!
I feel bad for him having to go through all that as a kid.
I know, right?
When I first read it, I was younger than I was now and it scared me.
The mirror thing and the doll thing is very creepy, especially when you know its a man who dresses up like a clown and is in his late 30s or early 40s.
Well, some of the information of this has been put into the games -- for example Terra's love for Moogles and her claustrophobia.
I'm 99% sure its official. There is only one thing that they said one doesn't have to take as canon. The marriage of Figaro.
deltaseven
Banned
This is fantastic info - thanks so much!
I never would have guessed! I wish they'd delved into that more in the game.
They didn't delve into it because they didn't come up with it.
You see, except for that character profile at the beginning, none of the information came from official books. The person who originally obtained the info, FF6LockCole, took it from the website of a KefkaxCeles shipper. All of that relationship and timeline stuff was basically fabrications by a Japanese fan to support that pairing. It wasn't part of the developers' original intentions, as far as I know, and that Japanese fan stated on the site that was mostly made-up.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kefka_Palazzo#So_it_turns_out_a_lot_of_this_info_is_fake.
Didnt the creators state that Kefka was sexually abused as a kid? That's not in this info but I've read many places that someone from square hinted at this and it's contribution to Kefka's mental state.......But tbh I don't really trust any of this info. What you saw from the game was what you get o_o
....But tbh I don't really trust any of this info. What you saw from the game was what you get o_o
Deltaseven, you shouldn't ALWAYS trust that stupid Wikia. Half the time, they put stupid stuff up without even checking its validation or waiting long enough for a rumor to be confirmed. Not only that, but they let certain people edit the articles to a point where its basically one person's interruption of the Final Fantasies. Be careful with that site.
You are right, about the KefkaxCeles thing. Kefka NEVER had any relationship with Celes other than strict military relationship, envy, jealous and anger. The only truth that has been posted by Japanese sites with scans, say that Celes became a higher "grade" before Kekfa, which angered him. But a lot of the stuff that same wikia has accused of being fake, has turned out to be true. I personally have seen the attack of someone who tried to post real evidence from the guide book, adventure book and character books. Heckle, even I tried to put some scans up there that I got, but that site loves to be ruled by a group of people who don't really...arg, forget it xD
Kefka didn't have romantic or semi-romantic relationships with anyone. He was just a lunatic who cracked from experiments and injections because of his past, which worsened the condition he got from the injections/experiments...
@-HeartSmash-:
Yes, its been hinted at. But the fact that the book that said it, is only Japanese and rarely found and or translated, we can't be sure. Though the book it came from also mentioned Terra's love for Moogles and fear of closed in spaces, which is actually true (SE used it!) so it actually has a high chance of being real.
The only FF6 book one can or can't take as canon, is the Marriage of Figaro made by the same person who made up Edgar and Sabin. They said you don't have to take it as canon...but
You are right, about the KefkaxCeles thing. Kefka NEVER had any relationship with Celes other than strict military relationship, envy, jealous and anger. The only truth that has been posted by Japanese sites with scans, say that Celes became a higher "grade" before Kekfa, which angered him. But a lot of the stuff that same wikia has accused of being fake, has turned out to be true. I personally have seen the attack of someone who tried to post real evidence from the guide book, adventure book and character books. Heckle, even I tried to put some scans up there that I got, but that site loves to be ruled by a group of people who don't really...arg, forget it xD
Kefka didn't have romantic or semi-romantic relationships with anyone. He was just a lunatic who cracked from experiments and injections because of his past, which worsened the condition he got from the injections/experiments...
@-HeartSmash-:
Yes, its been hinted at. But the fact that the book that said it, is only Japanese and rarely found and or translated, we can't be sure. Though the book it came from also mentioned Terra's love for Moogles and fear of closed in spaces, which is actually true (SE used it!) so it actually has a high chance of being real.
The only FF6 book one can or can't take as canon, is the Marriage of Figaro made by the same person who made up Edgar and Sabin. They said you don't have to take it as canon...but
deltaseven
Banned
Well, I wasn't linking to an article on there, but a talk page. I know that the Wikia is unreliable because it kept the Kefka history and relationship stuff for years without checking its authenticity. I dislike how it rejects using any citations. That discussion I linked to was one that I believe finally got them to remove the incorrect information. (In the past, whenever someone thought the information was absurd, the maintainers always countered with "It's from an official book, so it's real!")
(Sorry for ranting, I just feel so upset about people still believing the parts of the information that were made up.)
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Ah, I see. Lots of people believed it because it came from translations from people who claimed it came from the actual official books. xD
It didn't seem like a rant to me
It didn't seem like a rant to me