Do you believe in God?

Do you believe in God?

  • Yes very much indeed

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • Sometimes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I believe in Science

    Votes: 5 14.3%

  • I'm a Freethinker

    Votes: 9 25.7%

  • I hate Religion

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • Total voters
    35
As an Atheist I totally deny the existance of any God and the validity of all religions.

Simple answer: No.
 
Get ready to read a book:

  1. God has done nothing for me. He has not helped me in any cases. My relatives all suffuer from chronic diseases and conditions, some have died, in many cases, quite young. This does not stay secluded to my family, this happens to others. God is all loving, all powerful? Then stop my family from going through so much pain. My grand-mother went to church every sunday, swore by the gospel. She died in her sleep from a heart attack. You're telling me that God let this happen? Explain this to me. My 6 month old kitten was run over and his brother was left on his own. You're telling me that God could have stopped this but didn't? Psh. There was no God to stop it in the first place.
  2. Let's take natural disasters. Where do they come from? God (allegedly) created everything in the world, this must include evil, death, pain and sorrow. Look at the Tsunami in Sri Lanka (and everywhere else there). Why did he suddenly wipe out this area? He was in a bad mood, maybe? No, because he doesn't exist. If so, why did he not stop this? Better question: why did he make it happen!?
  3. God made everything and everything in it. Does this exclude evil? If there is a God, there is a devil ... where did he come from? God. He made evil (using the evidence to say there is a God). God is the source of pain and suffering. Christians do not want to believe this, they say that God allows us to choose and do what we will (with our free will and morals). Why bother giving us free will if we can cause such evil? Because he did not create evil, he did not create anything - he does not exist TO create anything.
  4. How can you say there is a God when he has never spoken to you, touched you? We perceive the world around us by our five senses (Touch, sight, hearing, taste and smelling). Can we see, touch, hear, taste or smell God? No. So we cannot say there is a God if we cannot in any way perceive him and his existence.
/rant.

Feel free to comment on anything I've said. Just a point - I do not intend to intentionally hurt or offend someone. I accept that some people do believe and I can respect that, as long as they can respect that I do not believe. However, if asked about my beliefs, I will not hesitate to speak my mind.
 
I voted "I'm a free-thinker". I don't believe in God in the explicit way the Christians paint him, but I don't believe that the two atoms decided to explode out of nowhere.


The Sephiroth Gene, your arguments are invalid. I will answer each of your points seperately:

1. What kind of existence would it be if God stepped in against everything? What would the difference be from Earth and Heaven if God stopped all disease and accidents, if everybody lived forever and yada yada?
Man had free will from the start. In the Garden there were no disease. Man had to cope with all the diseases in the world as a punishment for breaking God's only rule in the Garden of Eden.

2. See above point.

3. Yes that includes evil. That snake would never have been able to exist in the Garden if God didn't want it there. It was a test, which man failed. Man was easy to corrupt. This is a result of free will. Do you believe Saddam was born evil? I don't. I believe that he was influenced by people around him and ultimately made the choice of becoming an asshole. That's free will, and I'd take that above mindless drones any day.

4. God doesn't appear on the physical realm. His address is 1 Heaven Street, Universe, remember? Besides, many people who have converted to Christianity claim to have gotten a revelation of some sort. Maybe they are attention seekers, maybe not. Can you say for certain what is true?
Until you have died, realised that there's nothing but a black abyss (you emo bastard XD) or whatever you believe after death is, and come back to provide extensive video footage of the entire ordeal, you cannot claim to know the truth.
 
You seem to have misinterperated my point in my mini-essay. I was using every one of those examples to show that God does not exist. I do not want God to intervene at all times, I'm saying if there is a so called God, why doesn't he intervene? He wants peace, allegedly, so why not make it?

Ill say it again: I do not believe God exists. Each of my points were given to show why I think there is no God - they are not invalid, they are opinionated. Everything in this world (almost) is subject to opinion. I merely have a strong will to show my points.
 
Belazor said:
I voted "I'm a free-thinker". I don't believe in God in the explicit way the Christians paint him, but I don't believe that the two atoms decided to explode out of nowhere.


The Sephiroth Gene, your arguments are invalid. I will answer each of your points seperately:

1. What kind of existence would it be if God stepped in against everything? What would the difference be from Earth and Heaven if God stopped all disease and accidents, if everybody lived forever and yada yada?
Man had free will from the start. In the Garden there were no disease. Man had to cope with all the diseases in the world as a punishment for breaking God's only rule in the Garden of Eden.
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Did you mean to say that there wasn't supposed to be a difference, but thanks to two curious people, the rest of us have to suffer? God's not being fair.
If God is omniscient, then free will does not exist. If God knows the future, then he is omniscient. If he does not know the future, then he is not omniscient. If he knows the future, then we are fated. If we are fated, then whatever we do has already been decided, and whatever "free will" that exists cannot potentially change any outcome. Thus free will becomes weak and redundant. So much so that I would say it doesn't exist. Think of Oedipus Rex for a good example of this. And why are we cursed to follow the same fate as Adam and Eve? We didn't do anything. Is it my fault I am one gender, or born from a particular culture, born from certain parents, have a certain eye color, hair color, or never got to choose my race?

2. See above point.

3. Yes that includes evil. That snake would never have been able to exist in the Garden if God didn't want it there. It was a test, which man failed. Man was easy to corrupt. This is a result of free will. Do you believe Saddam was born evil? I don't. I believe that he was influenced by people around him and ultimately made the choice of becoming an asshole. That's free will, and I'd take that above mindless drones any day.
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If God was omniscient, what was the point of testing them? He made them that way, and he knew it would happen. It's redundant in my eyes unless he really were a sadistic bastard who wanted to tempt them for no reason other than enjoyment, since he already knows what will happen. Or do you admit that God *gasp* isn't omniscient and not amazing. Pah, omniscience was never amazing to begin with anyways. It's riddled with problems and someone who knows everything that uses that knowledge is hardly amazing because you know that he's omniscient.
The bible says that all men are born evil because of sin. I think it's ridiculous, but as for Saddam, if he wasn't born evil but became evil, his choice is redundant because God made him that way and put the people around him there. God knew he would do it, and if God knew that was his future, no matter what his choice is, he will always end up being that way.

4. God doesn't appear on the physical realm. His address is 1 Heaven Street, Universe, remember? Besides, many people who have converted to Christianity claim to have gotten a revelation of some sort. Maybe they are attention seekers, maybe not. Can you say for certain what is true?
Until you have died, realised that there's nothing but a black abyss (you emo bastard XD) or whatever you believe after death is, and come back to provide extensive video footage of the entire ordeal, you cannot claim to know the truth.
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He doesn't or he can't? Omnipotence does not imply that he does; but rather that he can do anything. Furthermore, he has appeared to people in the bible many times; why can't he do it now?
 
I truly believe in GOD. As you may know, I'm a christian, therefore I believe in his existence.

My answer: Yes, very much indeed!
 
The Sephiroth Gene said:
You seem to have misinterperated my point in my mini-essay. I was using every one of those examples to show that God does not exist. I do not want God to intervene at all times, I'm saying if there is a so called God, why doesn't he intervene? He wants peace, allegedly, so why not make it?

Ill say it again: I do not believe God exists. Each of my points were given to show why I think there is no God - they are not invalid, they are opinionated. Everything in this world (almost) is subject to opinion. I merely have a strong will to show my points.
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Actually, don't you think that from the perspective of the bible, that God doesn't really want to have peace? Or that his definition of peace is rather twisted? Because to him, an ideal world is one with a pure race (racism implied), mindless, faithful followers, slavery and discrimination against Canaanites (basically, he is referring to the decendents of Ham; anyone not Jewish or white). As we have seen in the past with crusades and torture of heretics, it has brought no peace as we define it as, but more religious intolerance and bloody wars and feuds. And I'm taking this from the literal standpoint of the bible, as it is described in the Old Testament, and possibly the New Testament. Either way, God's cruel acts of discrimination, intolerance, deaths and lack of care for family morals is no indication of a desire for peace.
 
Good point, Angelus. God and Jesus appeared constantly throughout bilblical times, why not now, in modern times?

Angelus, you made some extremely good points about omniscience. I agree with this completely.

edit: Angelus - hence my word, allegedly. I was playing on the fact that is what is said. You have made another good point. Excellent detective work ;)
 
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I do like that site - you showed it to me in the shoutbox. It's like MY bible :lol:

I apologise to those who may take offense to this - it was a cheap joke :P
 
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I do not believe in God, but I have a great interest in Buddhism, so i cannot say I hate religion. I also believe in Science. That is why I cannot vote. I believe in the buddhas teachings, but I do not necessarily believe in the Gods. I am more or less, an atheist.
 
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