Do you believe in God?

Do you believe in God?

  • Yes very much indeed

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • Sometimes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I believe in Science

    Votes: 5 14.3%

  • I'm a Freethinker

    Votes: 9 25.7%

  • I hate Religion

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • Total voters
    35
Having read the arguements here, I can come to one conclusion; Because God has done nothing for you, out of your own selfish needs and desires, he cannot obviously exist...

Yes, alot of us pray and wish for our families to be well and for illness to no longer be present in ourselves and our families; Don't get me wrong, I have lost people in the nastiest of manners over the years of my life and I have no doubt that I will continue to lose them...

Part of life is death; Part of belief is accepting that God does what God wills; He is not your servant, he is your saviour...

The attitudes of people disbelieving simply because he hasn't proven his existence to you is exactly the reason that he will never - Belief, faith, isn't about knowing, it's about believing...

I believe there is a God - I have had my own miracles performed by God which have saved my life on more than one occasion...

I didn't ask for this to happen, no more than anyone else; God obviously felt I was deserving enough to be given a further chance at life, on numerous occasions...

So when you tell me that just because bad things happen to you and the world, and that he hasn't proved he exists to you, think in the other direction from your blunt black and white approach to life; Perhaps you are not worthy of his presence, perhaps the world and places that are destroyed by him are not worthy of saving...

I bring you to Noah's ark - God wiped the planet clear of life for a reason; Perhaps it's time we all build our boats and await the coming flood ;)

Chris
 
Hello, fellow agnostic-atheist.

Anyhow, in response to a few posts, I should like to say that I sure do hope you know what you're doing when you pray to this God and hope for the well being of your family because in the Old Testament, he didn't care about the family. He made people like Abraham kill their own children, and he killed both women and children. Is this any kind of a person to look up to to wish for your family's well being? Or do you admit that what the bible says is wrong?

Belief in God changes nothing for me. I may have said it elsewhere, but belief in God is really up to interpretation. You believe something is called a miracle because you yourself can't explain it, you make too many assumptions, or you make something up about it, whether consciously in your mind or not about what it is. It is understandable that not all of us are scientists or detectives, and have at least a grasp as to what actually happened.

I choose not to believe in faith because it is too unreliable. As you have said, you never asked for it, and bad things don't always happen to bad people, and good things don't always happen to good people. For what reason is there to believe that a "just" and "loving" God would let this happen? Does faith in him change the fact that good things will not always happen to good people? I get through the day knowing that I can reason and use my judgment and common sense. I can leave it at the fact that we many never know if God exists, and I admit that I don't know if he exists. And it is enough for me; I accept this.

I do not believe that no one is worthy of being "saved". All of us are human; there is no difference between one man and the next. We are all capable of much, but it is bigotry to declare that the next man cannot be worthy of the same things. We are all equals. If God is truly omnipotent, then all places and people are worthy of being "saved".

If God had to wipe out the planet, I'd say he made a mistake. I see that such an action is redundant.
 
^ pretty much, tho thinking bout it there has to be a God just not how Religons interpretate it. Definition of God is 'The creator of life' therefore the first ever partical in exsistance that started everything is 'God'. Even if it is an unitelligent blob of matter.
 
I voted 'I believe in Science'.

When I was younger, I was sent to a Catholic school - As were the rest of my siblings. Actually, my parents and my siblings all went to a Catholic school at least once in their lives. My mom took me out when I was about to go into third grade, because of the school calling us up; asking my mom to sell beer at a Football game.

Wait - Beer? Catholics? Indulgences much? If you buy some beer, maybe then your sins will be forgiven!

Anyways - Lately, I have been losing tremendous faith in God and the Old Testament. In Science this past year, we learned about evolution and stuff, and I believe it. Such as, the incident where scientists used Carbon-14 on a supposed cloth that was wrapped around Jesus that's located in the Vatican. The cloth was then said to have been made not that long ago - 500 years. The Vatican; saying that the scientists were lying; pretended like they never had come to find out. Scientists want to do this experiment again, but the Vatican will not let them.

Also, I went to go see the Da Vinci Code, and the aspect of torturing yourself for God to do his bidding is a little sickening for me. As is the same with the terrorists. "Our God told us to do this." That is one sick God you have there then, fellas.

In theory, I just believe that Evolution is what brought us humans here; not God at all.
 
Sephiroth said:
Hello, fellow agnostic-atheist.

Anyhow, in response to a few posts, I should like to say that I sure do hope you know what you're doing when you pray to this God and hope for the well being of your family because in the Old Testament, he didn't care about the family. He made people like Abraham kill their own children, and he killed both women and children. Is this any kind of a person to look up to to wish for your family's well being? Or do you admit that what the bible says is wrong?

Belief in God changes nothing for me. I may have said it elsewhere, but belief in God is really up to interpretation. You believe something is called a miracle because you yourself can't explain it, you make too many assumptions, or you make something up about it, whether consciously in your mind or not about what it is. It is understandable that not all of us are scientists or detectives, and have at least a grasp as to what actually happened.

I choose not to believe in faith because it is too unreliable. As you have said, you never asked for it, and bad things don't always happen to bad people, and good things don't always happen to good people. For what reason is there to believe that a "just" and "loving" God would let this happen? Does faith in him change the fact that good things will not always happen to good people? I get through the day knowing that I can reason and use my judgment and common sense. I can leave it at the fact that we many never know if God exists, and I admit that I don't know if he exists. And it is enough for me; I accept this.

I do not believe that no one is worthy of being "saved". All of us are human; there is no difference between one man and the next. We are all capable of much, but it is bigotry to declare that the next man cannot be worthy of the same things. We are all equals. If God is truly omnipotent, then all places and people are worthy of being "saved".

If God had to wipe out the planet, I'd say he made a mistake. I see that such an action is redundant.
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I said "worthy of his presence" in reference to individuals - You choose to believe what is plain and in front of your face, not even letting the possibility of his existence allow you to see that there is some presence of God all around us...

I'm hardly the most christian of us; I wouldn't say I'm a good person, but I wouldn't say I'm overly bad - Many of the life threatening situations I have been in have been my own fault; Mixing with the wrong crowds, almost being killed by others on at least 3 other occasions, yet somehow I was given the strength to overcome the odds and escape...

I call that a miracle - No, I didn't part any great oceans or feed 5000 people but I got out of numerous situations that I shouldn't have...

Nowhere in the bible does it say that God is just; People interpret him how they choose, and most Christians will believe that he is fair; I believe that God can be as vicious as he can kind; I surmise that there is no "Devil", simply the angry side of God - Am I right? I will probably never know...

God did some terrible things if we are to believe the entirity of the Bible - They are masked over by people today as acts of eventual greatness but in truth, they were terrible things that really depict how God isn't always good ;)

In short; If you choose not to believe in him, then that is your choice - If you choose to believe he isn't always fair, like me, that is your choice - But one thing you cannot do is believe he doesn't exist because your prayers, thoughts and desires were not served by him; If God chooses to help you, save you, bless you, that is his choice, not yours...

Chris
 
I didn't say I don't think he exists; I don't know. However, I choose not to believe in God because I don't believe in things I don't know exists. It's a simple line of reasoning, really.

Perspective is what makes you believe those situations are miracles. everyone sees them differently, but just because you believe God helped you doesn't mean that someone will see that same situation the same way. You can go ahead and continue believing it's God; I can't stop you or change your mind, but if you believe that a miracle happened to someone else, and you think it's God, try to accept the fact that they may not see that the same way you do. People can get out of situations, not by their own hands, but by coicidence. It's entirely possible, but there are things in nature which are beyond your own control; it's just the properties of the universe, and of things being in the right place at the right time. A coincidence, no less; unlikely, yes, but not impossible. It's why "miracles" don't happen all the time.

You have to consider whether any of these bad acts that God did are actually anything worthy of prayer or praise. People praise him for some of the good things he has done, if he has done any, but why should anyone praise someone who has done something as vile as murdering thousands upon thousands of men, women and innocent children, discriminated upon racism and has done nothing for family morals? Once a murderer, always a murderer. One who has committed "crimes" as vile as these can hardly be trusted.

If you do believe that he's not fair, why do you still praise him?
 
Miracles are not an act of God. It's just called being lucky.
 
Because no matter how badly people on this earth have suffered, no matter how badly things have gone for me or my family, my faith has given me the strength to turn things around against the odds...

I'm not a devout catholic - I was christened but haven't stepped foot in a church in several years; My belief in God and my religion is my own take on it - I don't have to be in a church for God to hear my voice, I don't have to learn the bible through and through, confess my sins or anything, because God already knows - I don't even pray in a conventional form - But I still have faith that he is there, and that when I truly need him, he will help me as he has done before...

And yes, you can attribute a single or maybe two instances of my experiences to just coincidence; However the entirity (I've nearly died about 11 times) cannot be attributed to coincidence, and that I am certain of...

Chris
 
I still think being a Jenova Witness sounds awesome!
Ur going to hell for saying that fake joke you call "Jenova Witnesses" you know?
o_O?? Hells no! I'm to smart for that!
 
Sephiroth said:
Does it bother you to know that there might have been someone who isn't going to be helped by God, no matter how good a person he might be?
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That is not my decision to make, therefore I can only feel compassion for others who have not been helped...

Chris
 
But God has all the power in the world to help everyone. Why does he "refuse" to help certain people? Please keep in mind that not everyone did something to deserve no help.

If you were the person who didn't receive help from God while knowing that other people think they do, you would not see things the same way.
 
Chris, you said that you had escaped feath multiple times and it was your faith that got you through it. Do you not see another possibility - self confidence? Believing in yourself, believing that you could gather up the strength to leave those groups, could have saved you from these groups. Your own determination could have driven you to escape from them and so you did.

Please do not feel as though I am deliberately challenging your belief, I would nevber do that to anyone. I am merely questioning something thaty you had previously said.
 
I think that you shouldn't question what others say here. It seems like ur trying to either turn them religious or turn them aithiest. It's thier choice.
 
No actually, an inquiry can be an attempt at understanding the other person's perspective. From one's own religious perspective, it's difficult to see how the other person chose their religion, and it may help open your mind to what other people's choices are. It's an exchange of ideas; it can make you think about it more. We ask questions, not because we want to convert other people, but because we do not understand how they came to the conclusion of their religion.
 
The Sephiroth Gene said:
Chris, you said that you had escaped feath multiple times and it was your faith that got you through it. Do you not see another possibility - self confidence? Believing in yourself, believing that you could gather up the strength to leave those groups, could have saved you from these groups. Your own determination could have driven you to escape from them and so you did.

Please do not feel as though I am deliberately challenging your belief, I would nevber do that to anyone. I am merely questioning something thaty you had previously said.
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Had it been something like a group of drug addicts or alcoholics, something obvious that I could identify, then I would say yeh, my own abilities overcame my judgement and I escaped...

I was taken completely by surprise; There was no way my self-confidence or self-awareness would have played any part in the saving of myself, so there was intervention from some entity beyond my comprehension, presumably God...

Chris
 
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