Does God Hate Bisexuals and Homosexuals?

[Donald Trump]

well i would also like to point out that it is person's choice to b e homosexual and bi sexual it is not genetic it is not anything other than a bad choice that people should resist I'm not condemning the people I'm saying that it is wrong according to the bible also just because god is love does not mean he cannot hate as i pointed out before

No they don't. Guys don't wake up and suddendly decide that they prefer cock.
It's entirely genetic, just like skin colour, eye colour etc.
Also there in so one specific verse where god says that he hates homosexuals. There's Levicticus which says something like 'man shall not lie with another man like her lies with a woman.'
There's also Sodom and Gomorrah, which is more lust than actual homosexuality. Furthermore Homosexuals that are celibate ie Cliff Richard.
I don't think the bible categorically states that homosexuality is a sin, sodomy yes, but not homosexuality.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yes, but no more so than he hates Shrimp, Pork, or Cotton Rayon Blend.

Everything was an abomination back then.

Besides, YHWH is a small and petty god indeed if he cares what you do in your own bedroom with a consenting partner, either of the opposite sex or the same one.

Of course, if you read the bible cover to cover, you do kind of come to the conclusion that YHWH is very small and petty, but when you consider that it was bronze age nomads who wrote the bible, it makes perfect sense for their very limited worldview to be reflected in their religion.

 

[Asuka]

Besides, YHWH is a small and petty god indeed if he cares what you do in your own bedroom with a consenting partner, either of the opposite sex or the same one.

What makes you say that? By insult Yahweh, the Jewish God you are in turn insulting the Christian God also?

.. it makes perfect sense for their very limited worldview to be reflected in their religion.

You make it seem as if the Bible is something that can't be related to our modern day?

if you are speaking of the god of the bible, all of the bible, he does hate homosexuals and bi-sexuals..

The Christian God can't hate. A perfect God that loves cannot do certain things, otherwise he wouldn't be perfect. He can't lie, bring shame onto himself or hate anybody. Because he is a God made fully of Love.

...You guys speak of God as if he were some giant spirit sitting on a throne in Haven. God does NOT hate Bisexuals and Homosexuals. And it is NOT a choice to be Homosexual and/or Bisexual. You don't choose to love women, it just happens. Therefore, people do not choose to love men either. Homos and Bi's are human beings just like any other. You should not treat them like outcasts.

Any Christian who rejects other people isn't following the Christian God. No Christian is meant to think they are better than one another, because only God can judge. So despite a person being a murderer, homosexual, theif or any other 'sin', no Christian at all has the right to outcast them. If anything they should welcome them and love them as much as they could.
Luke 18:10-14 - How all is equal.
Luke 10:25-37 - The Good Samaritan. Love one another.

I am Heterosexual just in case you think I'm just some gay guy defending my kind.

Insecure much.

god hates sinners,
"The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul HATETH" ( Psalms 11:5)

He doesn't hate like me or you hate, he simply can't if he is a God of Love. It's like a Father who 'hates' his child for being disobediant. The Father still loves his child unconditionally.

I sound like such a Christian. D:

 

[Shu]

I would like to point out those that follow the Bible word by word are the scariest Mofo's out there as well. If you did follow the Bible word by word, I would expect you to be isolated, single, never touched the same sex or opposite sex whatever your preference may be, never touched a drink out of fear of being drunk, you are antisocial from fear of being associated with the wrong kind, you are possibly a monk.. and I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Here's what I mean, the Jewish God and the Christian God (difference being one who believes whole heartedly only in the old testament (torrah), and the other who assumes that the new testament is real and true as well (bible)), both isolate you in today's time and age depending if you follow the bible word by word.

1) All sins are equal in his/her eyes? (assuming God has a sex)
2) You can not sleep with your mate before marriage?
3) Drinking is okay as long as you don't get drunk? (what about those with very low tolerances)
4) Dwell not with the wicked for they are unchanging? (umm by wicked they mean everyone who sins and that is 100% of people)
5) Thou shalt not commit blasphemy (umm are you serious? first adam and eve, and now you expect us not to blasphemy? fuck shit damn)
6) For god so loved the world he gave his only son, for whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (the most overused christian line known to man.)
7) You shall not covet. (umm get real, everyone has wanted what they can not have every now and again.. it's called temptation, the important part is the follow through)

You have to take in mind that the good book (the bible) was written by man. I reiterate written by man. Do you know how many sins these potential men might have commited even when being "divinely" inspired to write this book? Written in original Latin language how do we know the translations were spot on? You assume it because you were brainwashed as a child to believe it, and because a majority of people believe it and that some crucial event changed your live in order to believe that it was Jesus or God inspired.

If you had never heard of God, Jesus, the Devil and you were to pick up the book and read it all the way through... you would think these people are fucking loons. (hince we have athiests).

So to stay on topic, those that subject this Book to cast out Homosexuality or Bisexuality.. can die in a fire (literally no pun intended), only God has the right to judge according to your good book, and I'm sure if there is a Heaven that they will be getting into Heaven before you tards that condemn them.

What you personally believe is not always what God intented. If homosexuality is not Genetic I'll eat my hat, because I have never had one homosexual thought in my lifetime where I didn't queeze at the stomach. I might have friends who are bi, but I will never tune in on their sex life, nor should they tune in on mine.

 

[Garner]

I agree with you. Also, to add. God does not hate, as said earlier. Instead, he gets disappointed.

I would like to point out those that follow the Bible word by word are the scariest Mofo's out there as well. If you did follow the Bible word by word, I would expect you to be isolated, single, never touched the same sex or opposite sex whatever your preference may be, never touched a drink out of fear of being drunk, you are antisocial from fear of being associated with the wrong kind, you are possibly a monk.. and I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Those who follow the Bible word by word are considered Christian Protestant (I think thats about right).

 

[Asuka]

Christian Protestant are those that diverted from Catholicism during the reformation. The most famous of those, to me at least, being King Henry VIII of England who defied the Pope so he could get a divorce.

They are Protestant because they stand in Protest. The only different between different Chrisitian Churches are forms of worship and scripture, if I remember correctly?

I would like to point out those that follow the Bible word by word are the scariest Mofo's out there as well. If you did follow the Bible word by word, I would expect you to be isolated, single, never touched the same sex or opposite sex whatever your preference may be, never touched a drink out of fear of being drunk, you are antisocial from fear of being associated with the wrong kind, you are possibly a monk.. and I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Even though we'd probably say it differently, I agree. The Bible, well Jesus' arrival, was suppose to be a release from the Law into a free existance and life. From Genesis 1 to Revelations 22, it's about the coming, the life, and the aftermath of the Second Coming, Jesus. As I've said before there are chapters in the Bible that condone women being silent in Church, but that obviously isn't in effect anymore. So take what you will from the Bible, and use that to enhance your relationship with God.

[the Torah & Bible] .. both isolate you in today's time and age depending if you follow the bible word by word.

Not really.

1) All sins are equal in his/her eyes? (assuming God has a sex)

We call God Him, He, Father, as opposed to It, Neutral. I think it was because of the social context of the time of misogyny.

2) You can not sleep with your mate before marriage.

Not that hard, especially if both are consenting Christians. Maybe it's different where you come from, but virginity isn't really a big deal where I come from, it's more about your personality. Some Christians I know find it especially hard (rofl) but they don't dislike it because they love Jesus so much.

3) Drinking is okay as long as you don't get drunk? (what about those with very low tolerances)

Can you find where this came from? Because I heard this as well but I can't find anything that backs it up. A lot of my friends drink and get drunk, especially my Catholic friends rofl. The only suggestion I can think is the passage in 1 Cor 6:19 that says you must treat your body like a temple.
Also, anything you do whilst you are drunk is just as if you were sober, so it's to refrain you from sinning I guess.

4) Dwell not with the wicked for they are unchanging? (umm by wicked they mean everyone who sins and that is 100% of people)

Which quote is that? But anyway, in my previous post I put up two passages from the Gospel of Luke which say otherwise. You should coinhabit with sinners (ie. everybody) because God loves everybody equally.

5) Thou shalt not commit blasphemy (umm are you serious? first adam and eve, and now you expect us not to blasphemy? fuck shit damn)

Self control I guess. Instead of 'Oh my God' people say 'Oh my Word' and so on. The person who has to swear to express emotion is one who can't speak properly.

... (the most overused christian line known to man.)

So? :x

7) You shall not covet. (umm get real, everyone has wanted what they can not have every now and again.. it's called temptation, the important part is the follow through)

People are expected to sin. We are 'inperfect'. Nobody has any disillusions about that. People sin, people feel sorry for that sin, people evaluate on that sin and grow from it. We're supposed to make mistakes to grow.

You have to take in mind that the good book (the bible) was written by man. I reiterate written by man. Do you know how many sins these potential men might have commited even when being "divinely" inspired to write this book?

When a man has commited a sin, he isn't a sinful person if he has been forgiven by God. If a man lies to somebody, asks God for forgiveness and grows on it. He isn't a sinner. Sorry, I just got the impression you thought the Bible was written by bandits, haha.

Written in original Latin language how do we know the translations were spot on? You assume it because you were brainwashed as a child to believe it, and because a majority of people believe it and that some crucial event changed your live in order to believe that it was Jesus or God inspired.

It was actually written in Hebrew and Greek then later translated to Latin when but before that was passed down through oral tradition. And as for the belief of the masses theory, I used to belief the same but recently I just can't seem to disprove Christianity (ie. the existance of Jesus) giving me no option to believe.

If you had never heard of God, Jesus, the Devil and you were to pick up the book and read it all the way through... you would think these people are fucking loons. (hince we have athiests).

If you could read the Bible from cover to cover and understand it all, then kudos to them. @___@

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So to stay on topic, those that subject this Book to cast out Homosexuality or Bisexuality.. can die in a fire (literally no pun intended), only God has the right to judge according to your good book, and I'm sure if there is a Heaven that they will be getting into Heaven before you tards that condemn them.

Spot on. 8D Any Christian who judges is presuming the righteousness of God which is a sin in itself. However a Christian can mention fact according to their belief without judgement.

What you personally believe is not always what God intented.

Exactly. You shouldn't adapt religion to life, but life to religion.

If homosexuality is not Genetic I'll eat my hat, because I have never had one homosexual thought in my lifetime where I didn't queeze at the stomach. I might have friends who are bi, but I will never tune in on their sex life, nor should they tune in on mine.

Why should homosexuality being genetic? In either case it shouldn't really be a question of sexuality, but a question of how much you love God.

 

[Ryushikaze]

What makes you say that? By insult Yahweh, the Jewish God you are in turn insulting the Christian God also?

What's your point?

You make it seem as if the Bible is something that can't be related to our modern day?

Oh, no, it's relatable, much the same as the earlier Vedas and Epic of Gilgamesh are, but none of the three should be taken as descriptive or prescriptive of the world.

The Christian God can't hate. A perfect God that loves cannot do certain things, otherwise he wouldn't be perfect. He can't lie, bring shame onto himself or hate anybody. Because he is a God made fully of Love.

That's not what his press docket says. It's a lovely line, but it's a line shown false on numerous occasions in the bible.

Any Christian who rejects other people isn't following the Christian God. No Christian is meant to think they are better than one another, because only God can judge. So despite a person being a murderer, homosexual, theif or any other 'sin', no Christian at all has the right to outcast them. If anything they should welcome them and love them as much as they could.
Luke 18:10-14 - How all is equal.
Luke 10:25-37 - The Good Samaritan. Love one another.

You should definitely tell that to your fellow christians. They're the ones with the issues about Homosexuals and Abortions and all that jazz.

He doesn't hate like me or you hate, he simply can't if he is a God of Love. It's like a Father who 'hates' his child for being disobediant. The Father still loves his child unconditionally.

I sound like such a Christian. D:

I'm sorry, but the 'loving god' argument completely falls flat if you believe in the notion of hell. An infinite punishment for a finite transgression, no matter how serious, is unjust and the opposite of 'loving'.

 

[phantasmor]

i think Asuka makes a good point that god hates differently i never thought of that but now that i think of it i am remembering that verse

Isaiah 55:8-9 (King James Version)

8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


also he is loving and just it is possible to be loving and just also god does not throw you into hell he simply will not allow you to go into heaven and then the devil takes you to hell

as for people judging other people i did not mean to seem like i was I'm sorry

and one last if you want to bring up abortion i can pull up verses that say that fetuses are human beings and therefore killing them is murder or i could pull up verses that say abortion is a sin but there are only 2 or 3

 

[light-yagami]

they say if you want to be forgivin for all your sins you will be forgivin and the say being gay is a sin cause it will kill the human species what about people who cant or wont have babys are they sinners what about priests they completly go against having sex so are they sinners so to tell the truth god doesnt hate he forgives if you want to be forgivin so it up to onesself

 

[Crazee Dayzee]

also he is loving and just it is possible to be loving and just also god does not throw you into hell he simply will not allow you to go into heaven and then the devil takes you to hell

But since god is supposedly omnipotent and loving, he should know that if he doesn't accept you into heaven, then the devil will take you into hell. If he loved you, he wouldn't allow that to happen. For example, if you can justify that, then you can say that watching, let's say, a senior citizen, fall, and not bothering to help them, is not a selfish thing to do. If god was loving like the bible claims he is, he would perhaps give you another chance at life, so that you can possibly gain wisdom and "reform" yourself.

 

[phantasmor]

no one said that it is a sin because it will kill thew human race it is a sin because it is against what god wants i have no idea where you got that other stuff from

and as for that other guy i said he was just if he is just he is not going to let you into heaven if you sin and do not repent and that senior citizen falling thing it is the same reason there IS pain and suffering and death it is because of the sins of past generations as it is said sin and death entered unto us because of the sins of one man: Adam

also god does not take care of every little thing it says in the bible that even for Christians there will be hardships

 

[Franice]

well i would also like to point out that it is person's choice to b e homosexual and bi sexual it is not genetic it is not anything other than a bad choice that people should resist I'm not condemning the people I'm saying that it is wrong according to the bible also just because god is love does not mean he cannot hate as i pointed out before

god hates sinners,
"The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul HATETH" ( Psalms 11:5 )

he loves the world,
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16

and he loves people that repent(do i need a passage for this?)

How do you justify this when faced with the fact that it isn't a choice? This, more than anything in the world, pisses me off.

What irritates me most about religion is completely ignoring basic facts in favor of fantastical ones. I cannot, absolutely cannot, pinpoint any moment in my past that I decided, "Huh, I think I'll alienate myself from the majority of the human species by being attracted to other women." Yet, people insist that that's exactly what I did.

In relation to the actual topic, God absolutely does hate homosexuals. The Christian God is an abominable, hateful, nearsighted being, as illustrated at every twist and turn of the Bible, and is, quite probably, the greatest master of conditional love in the universe.

 

[Ryushikaze]

no one said that it is a sin because it will kill thew human race it is a sin because it is against what god wants i have no idea where you got that other stuff from

So, a sin is something that squiks god... and what squiks god is conveniently what squiks you.
There's a saying about you can be sure god was made in your image when he hates the same things you do that I think is appropriate here...

and as for that other guy i said he was just if he is just he is not going to let you into heaven if you sin and do not repent and that senior citizen falling thing it is the same reason there IS pain and suffering and death it is because of the sins of past generations as it is said sin and death entered unto us because of the sins of one man: Adam

So, one man's cockup in ignorance and the entirety of existence must suffer? And should YHWH- or, let's be honest, El, cuz that's who it was before the Levites took over and said their particular god was top dog- not have seen it coming, what with the whole omniscience and all?

also god does not take care of every little thing it says in the bible that even for Christians there will be hardships

Except there's a difference between not taking care of every little thing, and not taking care of anything at all. YHWH, Vishnu, Odin, Steve, etc. are all not taking care of anything at all.
Unless you subscribe to the 'Tornados/ Hurricanes/ Tsunamis from god' idea, and even then, they seem to be tossed at areas of very heavy religious fervor.

How do you justify this when faced with the fact that it isn't a choice? This, more than anything in the world, pisses me off.

To echo this, phantasmor, when did you choose to be heterosexual? I know I sure as hell didn't choose to be hetero, and my cousin didn't choose to like men, and my best friend didn't choose to like girls. They just do. They like their own gender without choice, just as I like the opposite gender without choice. The only people with choice are bisexuals, and even they have a leaning.

What irritates me most about religion is completely ignoring basic facts in favor of fantastical ones. I cannot, absolutely cannot, pinpoint any moment in my past that I decided, "Huh, I think I'll alienate myself from the majority of the human species by being attracted to other women." Yet, people insist that that's exactly what I did.

Because they are backfitting reality to their conclusions, not forming their conclusions to reality.

In relation to the actual topic, God absolutely does hate homosexuals. The Christian God is an abominable, hateful, nearsighted being, as illustrated at every twist and turn of the Bible, and is, quite probably, the greatest master of conditional love in the universe.

And even then, it's not that great. First lesson of the bible- It sucks to be YHWH's chosen people.

 

[Asuka]

Oh, no, it's relatable, much the same as the earlier Vedas and Epic of Gilgamesh are, but none of the three should be taken as descriptive or prescriptive of the world.

Why not?

That's not what his press docket says. It's a lovely line, but it's a line shown false on numerous occasions in the bible.

Again, the word 'Hate' when translated from the Hebrew to English is something of a mistranslation that has connotations more of disappointment that actual hate. I think the analogy of a Father as God and humans as his Sons is very much relevant. People have described as humans cannot feel the emotion that God has.

You should definitely tell that to your fellow christians. They're the ones with the issues about Homosexuals and Abortions and all that jazz.

Well I'm not Christian myself as such, I'm just really interested in this and doing it for University. But it's a common thought throughout the Church. I mean there are people I've seen on the news that 'hate fags' and bomb abortion centers and I really can't understand their logic. But don't blame a few for many, the city that I live in learnt a lot about that because of 9/11.

I'm sorry, but the 'loving god' argument completely falls flat if you believe in the notion of hell. An infinite punishment for a finite transgression, no matter how serious, is unjust and the opposite of 'loving'.

Jesus mentioned the concept of Hell and Demons numerous times through the New Testament, if not more than he does about Heaven, so it must exist in Christian thought.
God also loves, and he doesn't send you to Hell, you yourself do. All you have to do is acknowledge Him as your God & creator, let go of your pride and there you have it. Otherwise through ignorance you put yourself there.

It's an interesting concept I know, and it's something I want to learn more about if not do for my MA. Because there are so many loopholes and 'what if?' examples that can come from it. I'm inclined to think, maybe just through hope, that he is a bit more tolerant.

But since god is supposedly omnipotent and loving, he should know that if he doesn't accept you into heaven, then the devil will take you into hell. If he loved you, he wouldn't allow that to happen. For example, if you can justify that, then you can say that watching, let's say, a senior citizen, fall, and not bothering to help them, is not a selfish thing to do. If god was loving like the bible claims he is, he would perhaps give you another chance at life, so that you can possibly gain wisdom and "reform" yourself.

I don't think it's a matter of he doesn't want to help you, it's a matter of he can't help you. You put up the barriers that shield you from Him. You make it clear you don't need Him even through ignorance.

In relation to the actual topic, God absolutely does hate homosexuals. The Christian God is an abominable, hateful, nearsighted being, as illustrated at every twist and turn of the Bible, and is, quite probably, the greatest master of conditional love in the universe.

I don't see how he can hate homosexuals. I don't see in fact how he is any of those things. Passages like 1 Samuel 18:3-4 show me how love is a universal concept.

And even then, it's not that great. First lesson of the bible- It sucks to be YHWH's chosen people.

But it's the joy of the world belonging to God.

 

[phantasmor]

hmm i think you are wrong on that last thing those passages there just say that David loved Jonathan and that Jonathan gave David his clothes now it says that Jonathan loved David as his own soul and vice versa but that is just saying that loved each other the same as they loved themelves that in no way means a sexual love

 

[joeyfinalfantasygod]

Remember if God made something one way and that thing turns the other way they are really &^(*&. God will damn and destroy everything that did not turn the way he wanted it, but remember he made us that way he made us eat the fruit, so he wanted us to decide so he can make our lives misserable.

 

[Kellox]

as a happy lesbian it saddens me to see things like Prop 8 passing i don't understand why the fundie's hate us so much : ( all were doing is loving another person they compare us to pedophiles and murders which is stupid because

a child is to young to be in a committed relationship neither is the body of a child ready for it
a murder takes a life


the thing is most of these people see the world as black and white they don't believe in a love between 2 people hey only see it as lust so i ask you fundies this
is it wrong to lie to save the life of your fellow man?
is it wrong to kill someone who is trying to rape and kill you?

No it isn't i don't see how someone should pray forgives is for his sin when he lied to hide jews from the Nazi's i don't see how someone should beg for forgivessnes when he killed a man that tried to kill him and his wife.

the world is grey whatever people like it or not you can never compare a situation where a child or animal is forced into sex by an adult person
to that of 2 adults who are in a loving relationship.

Its also sad when i hear stories like gays losing friends because of what they are or bi and lesbian girls who are thrown out of the house by their own parents ...people forget that Jesus Christ's best friend was a whore

 

[Seed]

I have been wondering for some time now and i havent been able to come up with an answer. my question: "Does God hate Bisexuals and Homosexuals?"

i have heard things that he doesnt condone them and when they get to the pearly gates, he casts them to hell...

Well what do you guys have an answer?

I don't believe he hates anyone.
If he did, then he would hate us all.
Because the Bible says homosexuality is a sin.
It also says we're all sinners. So if he hated homosexuals he
would hate all of us I think. I don't believe homosexuality
is a special sin worse than another one.

 

[Ashe B'nargin]

Hate is a strong word and think that it's rare for God to hold those strong feelings towards anybody of his creation.

He may feel slightly disappointed towards a person who chooses to be homosexual or even Bi. Because know that God loves children.
His desire is for us to create children for him to create and love. If somebody chooses to date somebody of the same sex and refuse/miss out on having a child. God may feel sadden towards the decision.

Only know that the people he really dislikes are murderers and people who lie. But he knows that his creation isn't perfect and will be forgiving towards them.

Know a fellow Christian who is Bi- sexual and she has a good/ healthy relationship with the lord.

Also could be a Bi- Sexual Christian.

And if I get kicked out of the church because of it, will be happy to understand the church's anger towards it. But won't be afraid because know that God and Jesus will always be there.

But was very scared about it in the past..

 

[Nalaar]

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Alright..well here we are, boys and girls. If you would, please turn in your text to "The Doots" that is Deuteronomy. We shall now explore a simple explanation for that grab-ass money-grubbing condemning argument that has been long over doot. Homesexuality is an abomination to God...goddammit" Now, please don't question me as I speak, as I am the pastor of this here outfit. Now, in order to make sure you line up like good lil tithe payers at this altar after saturday night of bar-hopping, I am also going to openly discourage you to look up the fuckin' definitions to the words I throw at you every service from this stage, otherwise my wife will bitch to high heaven this weekend if her antique shopping plans in Europe fall through...and I won't be getting any. And dammit I need some, but if she knew my browser history she might loudly rebuttle the sermon I am about to preach call me a hypocrite, pack her shit and jet...

Dez:" Excuse me, Pastor Fukitol, woman of Corinth here! But doesn't the word "abomination" simply mean, " That which is out of order", and Orthodox Christian Clergy basically said the word aloud one day...and as it was exiting their throats, they felt triumphant( as pronunciation invokes emotion from humans) as if they were announcing the new president...and suddenly the word meant "I despise the child I crafted with my own hands in the womb because I designed their first indepth emotional or physical connection to be with a member of the same sex for a purpose." Wow....Say it..."Abomination!"

Pastor Fukitol: "You are interrupting the service. Please take your seat."

Dez: Service? I am taking my seat upside your head. Sadam and Gommorah was not about homosexuality, it was about rape. The soldiers said, "...bring them out so that we may lie with them." Thats not an invite...that was a clear indication of a forceful intent.

Homosexuality, I do not believe is a hormonal imbalance. Neither do I believe that God hates homosexuals or bisexuals. We have all been given an opportunity to beocome either physically or emotionally attached to someone usually as children or teenagers. As said before, an emotional response is interpreted as physical attraction or need. Often times those who have been sexually abused seek a specific action by their partner as a dramatization of that abuse because it is so ingrained and has become a comfort zone. How:

"Do this for me..." can mean..." This is a replica of the sensation I felt from my abuser that made me feel the most accepted as I was being seduced again."

With an attraction to the same sex, as the argument of homosexuals go, there is an emotional anchor. "Daddy/Mommy/relative/friend was the only one who was there for me that day..." And then later in life..." This person reminded me of them...and was there for me...but I am hormonely developed now...and they wanted something more physical." God, Heavenly Family does not condemn this action taken. If we subtract the element of "gender consciousness" from our first emotional attatchment, we still have the collection of thought associations and memories that remain from our relationship with that person that was either truly a friend and confidante, or played the role of such in an attempt to seduce and abuse. So either way, in our perception that heavy heart-felt momentary euphoriah of connection is not condemned or judged. We fall under judgment according to how treat one another. As with all things percieved to be acts of the depraved by most of the clergy, it is psychological and emotional supression that maintains the feeling of guilt and shame that is the fuel for the vehicle that drives Modern Church Ethics. Their Word says, And the harvest of righteousness, of conformity to Gods will in both thought and deed is the fruit of the seed sown in peace by those who work for and make peace in themselves and in others. That peace which means concord agreement between individuals, with undisturbedness and a peaceful mind free from fear, agitating passions and moral conflicts.

Homosexuality is out of order with nature and Gods way of propagation. Out of order with how the image of God was designed as the image of God is both man and woman together as one. But action does not change Heavenly Parents love for their children. Testimony, or the decisions made and experiences had on a life path in order to bring into identification two or more people so that we can communicate more effectively with a select group that shares a certain mindset for the purpose of emotional counsel and freedom is also born out of the life of a homosexual. With the understanding that gender is not the foundation for romantic relationship combined with a rememberance of ones own sensitivity to being reminded of "that person"( this being the motivation for attachment) those who are bicurious or homosexual can reach the conclusion that they are not attracted to a gender...but to a heart. Being conscious of this opens the door to seek relationship with the opposite sex and be perfectly comfortable with it.

Also, the political agenda for keeping the world population under 500 million is projected by media, usually with celebrities. Homosexuality, once pushed to the public, is not to be disputed by the target, typically under threat. That is to say, once they come out....there is no public digress. What is wonderous to note is that the same Pseudo-Christian Media War Lords who promote condemning homosexuality reside under the leader of the Emotional Nazi Umbrella Corporation TBN.

For the record, Paul Crouch is gay.The hush-hush operation. $425,000. Yeah if I was the judge and was that low on the clout ladder compared to the "empire" of Crouch, I wouldn't want his minikins busting into my livingroom at night either...... right?

No. If you read my blog, you'd know my give a shit stock plummeted years ago quicker than TBN's ratings did just now!