Final Fantasy 13 ( 13-2 ) and Final Fantasy 7 similarities? ( SPOILERS)
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the basics maybe. such as "expirements" and "crazy antagonist" but ff7 has really made it on its own. F13 on the other hand really had no consistent style. In fact some times it actually looks like it takes place in ff7 world
How does XIII's world look anything whatsoever like VII's world?
The only things I can get out of it is the start with the train (although the train is way different)
and they have a "casino" like place that is kinda like Golden Saucer... other than that. I don't see anything really similar... I guess one could try and argue how Cocoon is like Midgar, but I think that is a stretch.
The vast terrain, the sci fi feel. I'm not saying it is an exact copy of ff7, but there were moments that looked like it was in ff7. i'm saying only "some" moments not "most"
FFVIII has way more trains in it than VII, just because the train is at the begining has no baring whatsoever in the worlds being similar. So there was a city where there was casinos and that means the world looks like it was set in FFVII? FFX has Calm lands for playing games, FFVIII has Galbadia which had the casinos, the hotels the balloon dolls in the parks. None of the games looks similar and they all do it in different ways.
Vast terrain like Spira from FFX? Or IX or VIII? FFXII has the most terrain of all the games, VII was hardly specacular in that respect. FFVIII had just as much of a Sci-fi feel. You did say that at times it looks like the same world.
Some in more noticeable ways. I think you should take a breather. it's there, no need to make a new argument about it.
Couldn't agree more actually, I can see more things to compare VI and VII to than VII and XIII. I can only pick out a few things in FVII to XIII and I said in a earlier post you can compare those to more FF games anyways.
there are strong similarities. but in the end, ff7 has its own style, and 6 as its own.
It's there if you want it to be, just like there are parts of all FF games that could be compared to each other. That comes with being designed by the same people. There's nothing that stands out that makes FFVII and FFXIII look like they could be set in the same world at all.
It did for me. Its a matter of accepting ones opinion rather than arguing it. It's there if we let it, not whether i force myself to think to think otherwise.
Ok I'm still confused on why you think FFVII and XIII have these things in common? XIII was way more Sci-Fi then VII, VII wasn't really that much sci-fi minus a few parts of it.
XIII everywhere you turn it had Sci-Fi all over it, from the weapons, to the costumes, to the whole world.
Yet XIII also gave the Fantasy feel that I think all Final Fantasy's have.
But to find any real similarities to the game is hard for me... granted I guess it has been a while since I really touched VII.
They do. For example, for the things mentioned already in the first post. VII granted was closer to steampunk but as the series continued in CoffVII it started moving closer to sci fi. I mean, i find your question a little contradictory to what you posted earlier.
Anyways. what i find to strike a resemblance is between the l'cie and the mako infused SOLDIERs in ff7 although their roles are different, they seem to be enhanced humans, only one is godlike and the other isn't.
Other than that, its just how the world was set up, it wasn't "all" sci fi left and right. To me it reminded me of 7. just mainly gran pulse and coccoon were sci fi. Then there's the subtle things such as coccoon resembling a giant materia. Then now that i think about it, the logo look alot alike, although one is Vanille, Fang and Ragnarok Cocoon and the other is the planet.
I'm not saying everything was directly linked to ff7. i'm saying some parts (to me) looked like they could've been in ff7.
All FF games minus FF2 have enhanced humans, they just obtain them by different ways. 6 by Magicite, 8 by GFs, 9 by Race, and 13 by Fal'Cie.
L'cie become monsters when they dont accomplish their focus. SOLDIERs are constantly being in question if they are monsters. ThatS what i got from it.
IF they don't finish their focus, the only one crying about being a monster was lame sephiroth.
And genesis and angeal. And for a moment zack. But it isnt "enhanced humans" if its by race. You labeled it too broadly.
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I put that Lightning and Cloud similarity because it is official Lightning is a female Cloud, and it's obvious ( at least for me ) that Lightning is related to Cloud. On looks ( the face structure - I don't really see it, but they are pretty similar - and clothes -the military uniform, the single pauldron, the turtleneck collar, etc- ) and on personality ( They are both cold towards everyone, they are not talkative, etc. There are some big differences on personality between the two, I'll explain it. )
Okay, these are the basics. But if we dig into it, Cloud has lost his family, his hometown, couldn't make it to SOLDIER, betrayed by his idol, lost his best friend, had amnesia, thought he was Zack, then he lost the girl he wanted to protect so much. I think this is enough for someone to be depressed, isn't it? But let's look at Lightning's background: she lost her parents and had to be strong for Serah. THAT'S ALL. And she is even colder and indifferent than Cloud. That is a little forced, don't you think?
At least Cloud cared about his friends from the beginning, he wanted them safe and he was willing to save them whenever they had problems. When Aeris died, he felt really angry, sad and then felt really guilty for 2 years. He cared about ALL his firends, not just a few.
Now let's look at Lightning: She was a heartless robot from the beginning, she didn't care about anyone but her sister. She was willing to leave Sazh alone, and then Hope. Of course, she began to fell more warm, but still... When she reunited with Serah, she didn't even smile to her. She didn't even hug her. When Serah died, there wasn't much emotion from her. She just made a sad face and turned to crystal. And she interacted ONLY with Fang, Hope, Snow, and a little with Sazh. What's up with Vanille? isn't she her comrade? Not to mention she bitch-slapped Fang nd Snow. Especially Snow ( he loves your sister so much and would die for her to be safe and you slap him? REALLY? )
I felt Cloud's feelings better than Lightning's feelings, and he is a pixel lego man. I mean, he didn't even had a voice actor and I still could feel his "..........." better than Lightning's words.
Okay, these are the basics. But if we dig into it, Cloud has lost his family, his hometown, couldn't make it to SOLDIER, betrayed by his idol, lost his best friend, had amnesia, thought he was Zack, then he lost the girl he wanted to protect so much. I think this is enough for someone to be depressed, isn't it? But let's look at Lightning's background: she lost her parents and had to be strong for Serah. THAT'S ALL. And she is even colder and indifferent than Cloud. That is a little forced, don't you think?
At least Cloud cared about his friends from the beginning, he wanted them safe and he was willing to save them whenever they had problems. When Aeris died, he felt really angry, sad and then felt really guilty for 2 years. He cared about ALL his firends, not just a few.
Now let's look at Lightning: She was a heartless robot from the beginning, she didn't care about anyone but her sister. She was willing to leave Sazh alone, and then Hope. Of course, she began to fell more warm, but still... When she reunited with Serah, she didn't even smile to her. She didn't even hug her. When Serah died, there wasn't much emotion from her. She just made a sad face and turned to crystal. And she interacted ONLY with Fang, Hope, Snow, and a little with Sazh. What's up with Vanille? isn't she her comrade? Not to mention she bitch-slapped Fang nd Snow. Especially Snow ( he loves your sister so much and would die for her to be safe and you slap him? REALLY? )
I felt Cloud's feelings better than Lightning's feelings, and he is a pixel lego man. I mean, he didn't even had a voice actor and I still could feel his "..........." better than Lightning's words.
I guess the "save the world" plot is just part of the traditional story format the FF developers follow because, admittedly, it is interesting and one of the major elements that make any FF installment, what it is, a fantasy game. As for the similarities, several parallels can be drawn virtually, throughout all the FF installments. We have characters like Cloud (FF7) and Squall (FF8) having a more cool and coy personality. It was only until FFX, where the protagonist, Tidus, really broke free from this typical personality that a lot of the FF protags appear to have.
But I feel that these 'similarities' are intentionally included in different FF installments, to create a sense of familiarity for the FF fans and a sense of identity within the franchise.
But I feel that these 'similarities' are intentionally included in different FF installments, to create a sense of familiarity for the FF fans and a sense of identity within the franchise.