Gun Rights

[Erythritol]

Gun Control

Okay, I cannot BELIEVE this one has not been started yet. I shall do the right thing and start it. As we all know, the United States is a very gun-happy society. This is reflected in the hideous rash of shootings we've just experienced, the last of which left five students dead at an Illinois college.

What do you think about gun control? Do we need more of it? Less of it? Better screening process? Oh, and in response to the shootings: do you believe that more guns would make it better? For instance, if everyone had a gun or students began carrying guns, would it be safer?

I'll post my long angry rant about gun control later :{D

 

[Donald Trump]

For instance, if everyone had a gun or students began carrying guns, would it be safer?

Mutually Assured Destrucution
it might make the person carrying the gun feel safer but, they arent safer really. also more guns means its more that people will be killed/shot in the crossfire.

i know the US constitution, or one of its amendments guarantees the right to bear arms.
But FFS move on, the constitution also says negroes arent 'real' people and that they are worth 3/5 of a white person.
the constitution doesnt even allow women to vote, yet they cling to that archaic document as their justification for carrying around an instrument which the sole purpose of it is to kill things.

i could go on, but meh

 

[der Astronom]

The problem with guns is not in having them, but in using them. Most people aren't trained to use guns. They just think that by having a gun, it makes you safe, but people get afraid at the wrong times and sometimes might not aim properly, shoot the wrong things, or not even shoot at all. I know that not everyone who owns a gun is that inexperienced at using one, but if a gun were that easy to obtain, then I wonder how it is that they aren't as easy to use as people make them out to be.

In most other places, a gun is used for hunting or collecting, but the reason for (at least the typical household consumer) buying a gun is rarely ever for protection. Most of us who don't live in the States are perfectly content with security alarms or other means that don't involve guns.

 

[Rockman X]

i know the US constitution, or one of its amendments guarantees the right to bear arms.
But FFS move on, the constitution also says negroes arent 'real' people and that they are worth 3/5 of a white person.
the constitution doesnt even allow women to vote, yet they cling to that archaic document as their justification for carrying around an instrument which the sole purpose of it is to kill things.

Um, that's what little things called "amendments" are for.

The problem with guns is not in having them, but in using them.

No wai!

Most people aren't trained to use guns.

Okay, first off, alot of states require you to take a course in gun safety when applying for a gun permit, I know mine does. Secondly, it's not that hard to use a gun....you turn the safety off, aim it at something, and pull the trigger. I'm pretty sure every child learns how to do that with little toys.

They just think that by having a gun, it makes you safe, but people get afraid at the wrong times and sometimes might not aim properly, shoot the wrong things, or not even shoot at all.

Um...kay. When do you EVER hear on the news about school/mall shootings being caused by someone who's paranoid and shoots at the wrong people? Never, that's when. All these shootings that have been cropping up in the past year were by people with serious mental issues who wanted to kill other people, not people aiming badly because they were afraid.

I know that not everyone who owns a gun is that inexperienced at using one, but if a gun were that easy to obtain, then I wonder how it is that they aren't as easy to use as people make them out to be.

But they ARE easy to use....I guess you haven't used a gun before.

In most other places, a gun is used for hunting or collecting, but the reason for (at least the typical household consumer) buying a gun is rarely ever for protection. Most of us who don't live in the States are perfectly content with security alarms or other means that don't involve guns.

Wrong again. It typically IS for protection. Teachers, especially, keep trying to work things out with schools so that they can carry guns to school. They don't wanna be the next victim at a school shooting, they feel safer having a gun on them so if they DO get a disgruntled emo, they can stop him before he kills alot of kids. And I know if I lived in a big city like Chicago, Memphis or LA I'd want to carry a gun around.

What "other means" are you talking about, mace or tazers? Ever seen them be used on a guy drugged out of his mind? They don't do shit. True, they're not an every day occurrence, but instances like that are when you'll be thinking "I really wish I'd gone for that gun permit..."

 

[Erythritol]

I have a serious, serious problem with gun control today. Gun control, in its current state, is so pathetic. Semi automatic and, increasingly, automatic weapons are readily available to those willing to shell out the cash and go through a very weak background check. The background check is absurd. They check criminal records and ask questions such as, "have you ever been institutionalized?" Here's a bloody newsflash: not everyone who is mentally unstable is institutionalized. Have any of the mall or school shooters been institutionalized? The answer is a resounding no.

Why is there a need for such heavy artillery? I honestly ask that question. I don't think anyone can give me an answer that satisfies me. Do you need an AK47 to hunt deer? I honestly don't think so. Those types of weapons have one purpose: killing other people. Why should weapons like these be available to the public? There is absolutely no justification.

I HATE the argument, "but if everyone carries a gun, then we'll all be safe!" No, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's like trying to cure AIDS with more AIDS. The result will only be more injuries and deaths. What if someone has a terrible temper and acts without thinking? Accidents happen. Fights happen. With more people carrying guns, more deaths would happen. Everyone wants to be a cowboy. Not to mention, if everyone believes that everyone else is carrying around a concealed weapon, they're more likely to shoot first, in self protection if they feel they are being threatened.

The problem with guns is not in having them, but in using them. Most people aren't trained to use guns. They just think that by having a gun, it makes you safe, but people get afraid at the wrong times and sometimes might not aim properly, shoot the wrong things, or not even shoot at all. I know that not everyone who owns a gun is that inexperienced at using one, but if a gun were that easy to obtain, then I wonder how it is that they aren't as easy to use as people make them out to be.

In most other places, a gun is used for hunting or collecting, but the reason for (at least the typical household consumer) buying a gun is rarely ever for protection. Most of us who don't live in the States are perfectly content with security alarms or other means that don't involve guns.

...Okay, um, guns aren't betatrons. They're relatively simple pieces of equipment. You point at something you want to kill, and you pull the trigger. It's not a difficult concept. With semi automatic weapons, you can pull the trigger and fire several times at your target. And guns ARE easy to obtain. If you don't have a criminal record, walk into your local Walmart, fill out a form, and congratulations, you have a gun. Or, alternatively, if you have a lot of money and do have a record, just bribe someone, and congratulations, you have a gun. Getting a gun is ridiculously easy, especially in certain parts of the United States.

 

[Mitsuki]

Heh, this reminds me of my Teachers Allowed to Carry Weapons in School?

Anyway, I do believe that background check is flawed in so many ways...yet, we also can't dismiss the fact that a person doesn't have to have a background (history) in order to commit a crime. It always has to start somewhere. So really, background checks are invalid and useless at times. Sure it's a safety precaution, but my point is that even if someone is "clean", buys a weapon...who's to say that the person is intent on killing people or not?

That is one of the reason why I don't believe that gun control is secured enough, if at all. It is entirely up to the individual, not some easy-process like background checks.

 

[Rockman X]

Exactly

While more thorough background checks should be implemented, it's impossible to tell if a person has mental issues or not. Actually (correct me if I'm wrong here), that guy who shot up the Illinois campus was a perfectly nice guy and nobody figured he was capable of something like that...he just hadn't been taking whatever medication he was on.

There's no way to account for that when doing background checks. Sure, you can see if the person is on medication, but there's no way to monitor them. And if you saw they were on meds and thought they were too much of a risk and decided not to sell them a gun, they'd blather on about their right to bear arms. It's quite the predicament, really.

 

[Korytco]

I am doing a report on gun control

To cut to the chase, gun control . Only I am taking it to a new spin . I am not reporting on the right, if you should be able to bare arms. No, I am skeptic of this, (below)

Consider, most people say people control guns, and guns do not control people. I want to argue that guns do control people. I need sources, and general opinions for my report. If you are willing to participate please leave any creditable information, if you have any aside from your name (not needed but real name would be nice). Perhaps you are a police officer, or have a PHD , I do not know if it is the case , please share any creditability . I just want a straight forward survey though. You do not need to be ubber creditable.

The question is foggy because it is established by a whole paper. Do fire arms control situations ? Is there conditioned properties to a fire arm that apply to all men and women alike. When buying a gun is there an certain image ...embedded in the experience of owning a gun , made by man? With all the movies, and TV do guns control people ? Is any fire arm unique to an individual or is every fire arm realized as the same thing as any other , not hunting rifles here I think we all know that is a bit different. The same type of weapon that kills , self defense etc. Does the knowledge of a fire arm ,and conditioned preaching of a fire arm and its purpose reach out to the buyer when he buys one. Do individuals buy fire arms , or do "sheep" ?. Has society created an image ? Deeply reflecting , what is a fire arm? Why is there fire arms ? What is a fire arm ? Does the fear created in needing a fire arm matter even less than the ideas surrounding owning one? The majority of people buying them, the popular reasons behind it do those out rule indepent thought and in the end create a stereotypical image of fire arms ? Is a fire arm a conditioned response or trigger.Can you separate the individual conscious of logic from the majority . when considering the buyer here? Or is everyone that buys a fire arm experiencing a trigger , a stereotypical image, and giving into a conditioned response ? Do fire arms control people ?

Hope this is enough to get started. I am a bit drifty , I tried.

 

[Donald Trump]

you could talk about the power of the NRA, and lobbying senators etc as to the best of my knowledge automatic rifles can be bought, although they serve no purpose for hunting and designed to kill people pretty much.

so articles about the NRA would backed up your view

 

[Rockman X]

To cut to the chase, gun control . Only I am taking it to a new spin . I am not reporting on the right, if you should be able to bare arms. No, I am skeptic of this, (below)

Consider, most people say people control guns, and guns do not control people. I want to argue that guns do control people. I need sources, and general opinions for my report. If you are willing to participate please leave any creditable information, if you have any aside from your name (not needed but real name would be nice). Perhaps you are a police officer, or have a PHD , I do not know if it is the case , please share any creditability . I just want a straight forward survey though. You do not need to be ubber creditable.

The question is foggy because it is established by a whole paper. Do fire arms control situations ? Is there conditioned properties to a fire arm that apply to all men and women alike. When buying a gun is there an certain image ...embedded in the experience of owning a gun , made by man? With all the movies, and TV do guns control people ? Is any fire arm unique to an individual or is every fire arm realized as the same thing as any other , not hunting rifles here I think we all know that is a bit different. The same type of weapon that kills , self defense etc. Does the knowledge of a fire arm ,and conditioned preaching of a fire arm and its purpose reach out to the buyer when he buys one. Do individuals buy fire arms , or do "sheep" ?. Has society created an image ? Deeply reflecting , what is a fire arm? Why is there fire arms ? What is a fire arm ? Does the fear created in needing a fire arm matter even less than the ideas surrounding owning one? The majority of people buying them, the popular reasons behind it do those out rule indepent thought and in the end create a stereotypical image of fire arms ? Is a fire arm a conditioned response or trigger.Can you separate the individual conscious of logic from the majority . when considering the buyer here? Or is everyone that buys a fire arm experiencing a trigger , a stereotypical image, and giving into a conditioned response ? Do fire arms control people ?

Hope this is enough to get started. I am a bit drifty , I tried.

Thanks for contributing to the topic and giving us your opinion on gun control *sarcasm*

Now to discuss your silly paper, here's a few things:

1. Guns don't make people pull the trigger or put people under some sort of hypnosis. People control guns.

2. Society hasn't created an image. There are no billboards advertising guns, you don't see people toting guns on America's Next Top Model. There is somewhat of an image for them in rap culture...but that's where it remains.

3. A fire arm is a weapon that shoots bullets. Or should I get more technical?

4. There are two main reasons why people buy guns, for sport (be it hunting or skeet shooting or whatever) or for protection. Crazies buy guns to kill people, but that can't really be counted into the general populous.

To reel this back on topic, there's no way to prevent the crazies from buying guns. The most effective way to oversee gun sales would be to have a psychological test accompany the background check. That of course wouldn't be feasible; it would cost too much to train the employees in how to administer the test and read the results, plus most killers do damn well at appearing like rational, normal people.

 

[Korytco]

Thanks for contributing to the topic and giving us your opinion on gun control *sarcasm*

So first off I can tell you have an ego, or at least some sort of problem with me.

Now to discuss your silly paper, here's a few things:
This is research , how do you know it is silly without reading the whole thing ? Whether or not it dead ends is up to me in the long run. Speculating on the side lines is distasteful especially if you are a scientist. This is simply a path, a part of research , this is not a conclusion.

People have laughed at methods, individuals , and ideas in science before. The end results are at the end of the race , and who comes in first and who comes in last is decided there , sir.

1. Guns don't make people pull the trigger or put people under some sort of hypnosis. People control guns.

Their are varying forms of hypnosis to everything cheese. People , and ideas of people control people. Sociality and events. Inanimate objects become organic stimulus in a way because of social influences. Active social stimulus's can be found in anything. The question here is if the degree is significant enough to give a hand gun "icon" and provoking properties. (not that you understand any of this.....)

2. Society hasn't created an image. There are no billboards advertising guns, you don't see people toting guns on America's Next Top Model. There is somewhat of an image for them in rap culture...but that's where it remains.

How is a gun relative to models ? Stay in a inventive , proper mindset please. Guns are relative to action movies, and politics. Social action, and reserved social action , protection. Guns are fearful, guns are power . Guns are in books, magazines , guns have iconic value.

3. A fire arm is a weapon that shoots bullets. Or should I get more technical?

Can you because this time you totally, completely missed the mark. Everything is never simply just there , something that is just there has no social relevance to anyone or anything. Everything is observed and altered continuously as everything around it favors those changes. A fire arm is not something that just shoots bullets, it is significant and much more than that. A bullet is useless without a purpose . Every bullet has a purpose because a gun is socially, economically popular and most guns are bought for personal or socially expressed reasons....

4. There are two main reasons why people buy guns, for sport (be it hunting or skeet shooting or whatever) or for protection. Crazies buy guns to kill people, but that can't really be counted into the general populous.

Crazies buy guns to murder people . Where as it is sane to protect what you love, and what loves you. Crazies buy guns to murder people if you want to be technical mr. technical .

The reasons why they buy were not the core of the argument, what they are buying was but you seem to miss the point entirely.

To reel this back on topic, there's no way to prevent the crazies from buying guns. The most effective way to oversee gun sales would be to have a psychological test accompany the background check. That of course wouldn't be feasible; it would cost too much to train the employees in how to administer the test and read the results, plus most killers do damn well at appearing like rational, normal people.

Yah you get back on topic you do not belong arguing with me.

The question here is if the degree is significant enough to give a hand gun "icon" and provoking properties .IF it is independent of people , and the media . See , that is why this is so hard to ask.

I want to know if the handgun stands alone , now, and if it provokes and controls situations.

 

[Donald Trump]

How is a gun relative to models

that technique is called a metaphor,
models influence us ie what we should wear and what we should look like, guns dont.

Can you because this time you totally, completely missed the mark. Everything is never simply just there , something that is just there has no social relevance to anyone or anything. Everything is observed and altered continuously as everything around it favors those changes. A fire arm is not something that just shoots bullets, it is significant and much more than that. A bullet is useless without a purpose . Every bullet has a purpose because a gun is socially, economically popular and most guns are bought for personal or socially expressed reasons....

guns are bought because people need or want them and they are produced because there is a demand for them.
that is a basic principle of economics, the same works with everything, such as TVs

(not that you understand any of this.....)

wow great way to respond to criticism.

Guns are relative to action movies, and politics. Social action, and reserved social action , protection. Guns are fearful, guns are power . Guns are in books, magazines , guns have iconic value.

So what they are in action movies, they are a tool, they are used by people, guns cant fire themselves, any rational person realizes that its the people who fire guns that are the killers, not the guns.

I want to know if the handgun stands alone , now, and if it provokes and controls situations.

of course they control a situation, say you and I are having a conversation, and i pull a gun, you are going to do whatever i want you to do or i'll cause you immense pain and maybe kill you.

but its still me thats controlling the gun, its not telling me to shoot you, if i decided to shoot you, i would have made that decision, not the gun

 

[Korytco]

that technique is called a metaphor,
models influence us ie what we should wear and what we should look like, guns dont.
I know what a bloody metaphor is. I do no think it was a good metaphor , looks and fashion have nothing to do with our code of conduct and how we act within any set of clothes. Perhaps they make fashion statements but they have nothing to do with guns...its a stretch ...a wide stretch.


guns are bought because people need or want them and they are produced because there is a demand for them.
that is a basic principle of economics, the same works with everything, such as TVs

That is bland, everything can be looked at deeper.


wow great way to respond to criticism.

It is criticism , criticism to criticism ?


So what they are in action movies, they are a tool, they are used by people, guns cant fire themselves, any rational person realizes that its the people who fire guns that are the killers, not the guns.

But the ideas surrounding a gun obliviously help . As you mention below. If no one knew anything about guns they would only fire them out of curiosity. We know alot about guns, or we think we do , the question that I keep trying to ask is if the gun itself can make us fire . A conditioned stimulus . Unconsciously if a gun inspires us to fire .


of course they control a situation, say you and I are having a conversation, and i pull a gun, you are going to do whatever i want you to do or i'll cause you immense pain and maybe kill you.

Yes, but this is not about the situation its about the gun . The gun is the situation . As a effective tool , it is an knowledgeable tool to man kind. Is it an independent tool in society . When looking at a gun behind glass what do you see, what speaks to you ? What mental picture is painted when you place yourself with that gun ?

Man does not rationalize gun activity he choses where it takes place. Gun activity is already defined, a mental picture is painted as you say hurt or killed. Gun activity is conditioned thoughts based on patterns of behavior. When you see a gun it controls a situation , and it controls you because you are giving into an active social stimulus. What you have been taught, and seen in society .



but its still me thats controlling the gun, its not telling me to shoot you, if i decided to shoot you, i would have made that decision, not the gun

That is the issue here, how much control does the gun actually have as a stimulus conditioned by society . Within your subconscious what does a fire arm actually become to you. I a away it will tell you to shoot if the scenario is relative or seems logical at that time. Things that could make it relative and logical are films you watch often, or general fears surrounding the gun as you admit to that make it powerful seeming.

I admit this side is alot harder to support, but an insults for it are not needed. It is hard enough to try to support to begin with but it does have potential behind it. Anyone want to join in and build this puzzle feel free to.

 

[Rockman X]

So first off I can tell you have an ego, or at least some sort of problem with me.

Yes to the first, and I was only pointing out how your little research thing had nothing to do with your opinion on gun control, it only posed a bunch of psychobabble questions.

People , and ideas of people control people.

You just killed your own argument there, buddy.

How is a gun relative to models ? Stay in a inventive , proper mindset please. Guns are relative to action movies, and politics. Social action, and reserved social action , protection. Guns are fearful, guns are power . Guns are in books, magazines , guns have iconic value.

I was giving you an example. You act like they're such big icons, but I haven't seen any models carry them around in purses like chihuahuas. Yeah, wow, guns are in action movies. So are uber dramatic car chases and people driving off ramps and making impossible landings that would blow out the shocks and give you major concussions. You're not making that out to be an icon. Yes guns are in books and mags, they're a fact of life, they've been around for a good while now. There's nothing special about them.

If they were really an icon, they would be used to represent status, just like jobs or cars or houses. Granted, in gangster culture they represent status, but it's not something that spans multiple age groups and trends.

A fire arm is not something that just shoots bullets, it is significant and much more than that. A bullet is useless without a purpose . Every bullet has a purpose because a gun is socially, economically popular and most guns are bought for personal or socially expressed reasons....

Yes, it is something that just shoots bullets. The purpose of bullets is to kill. Guns were made to be a more advanced weapon that had long-range capabilities in warfare. People buy them for protection, hunting, or sometimes just to collect them.

Crazies buy guns to murder people . Where as it is sane to protect what you love, and what loves you. Crazies buy guns to murder people if you want to be technical mr. technical .

That's what I said in my last post.......good job parroting me

Yah you get back on topic you do not belong arguing with me.

Yes, I concede, you're so out of my league that to prove it you use bad grammar.

The question here is if the degree is significant enough to give a hand gun "icon" and provoking properties .IF it is independent of people , and the media . See , that is why this is so hard to ask.

Provoking properties? Guns don't provoke people into doing anything, they're inanimate objects with no mind-control powers. You're reading too much into guns.

I want to know if the handgun stands alone , now, and if it provokes and controls situations.

It doesn't. The person pulling the trigger is the one in control.

that technique is called a metaphor,
models influence us ie what we should wear and what we should look like, guns dont.

Seeee? He got it.

guns are bought because people need or want them and they are produced because there is a demand for them.
that is a basic principle of economics, the same works with everything, such as TVs

Bingo. And what's the demand? Sport. Protection. Collecting.

So what they are in action movies, they are a tool, they are used by people, guns cant fire themselves, any rational person realizes that its the people who fire guns that are the killers, not the guns.

Swords are used in action movies too. Do they control people as well?

 

[Korytco]

I am not going to respond in a thread where my posts were deleted, where I already told you I was done arguing.

I hope this post does not get deleted, I already responded to both of you with big long responses and I do not feel like doing it again.

 

[Scarlet]

Yes Korytco and they were deleted because they were considered spam.
Just quoting someone and saying this: that is spam.

Saying that your not going to post in this thread is spam. These are the rules of the forums, we do not allow spam. Either you contribute to the thread or not post at all. If you have any other issues you can always PM a moderator.

 

[Korytco]

I replied within the quotes. You must have missed that. Sorry for our misunderstanding. I always reply within the quotes look in the ghost thread.

Peace out and back on topic, I just thought my argumentors should understand what happened.

Mod Edit: Post is now restored. It was just a big misunderstanding, we understand.

 

[Finnegan III]

I have a serious, serious problem with gun control today. Gun control, in its current state, is so pathetic. Semi automatic and, increasingly, automatic weapons are readily available to those willing to shell out the cash and go through a very weak background check. The background check is absurd. They check criminal records and ask questions such as, "have you ever been institutionalized?" Here's a bloody newsflash: not everyone who is mentally unstable is institutionalized. Have any of the mall or school shooters been institutionalized? The answer is a resounding no.

Why is there a need for such heavy artillery? I honestly ask that question. I don't think anyone can give me an answer that satisfies me. Do you need an AK47 to hunt deer? I honestly don't think so. Those types of weapons have one purpose: killing other people. Why should weapons like these be available to the public? There is absolutely no justification.

I HATE the argument, "but if everyone carries a gun, then we'll all be safe!" No, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's like trying to cure AIDS with more AIDS. The result will only be more injuries and deaths. What if someone has a terrible temper and acts without thinking? Accidents happen. Fights happen. With more people carrying guns, more deaths would happen. Everyone wants to be a cowboy. Not to mention, if everyone believes that everyone else is carrying around a concealed weapon, they're more likely to shoot first, in self protection if they feel they are being threatened.



...Okay, um, guns aren't betatrons. They're relatively simple pieces of equipment. You point at something you want to kill, and you pull the trigger. It's not a difficult concept. With semi automatic weapons, you can pull the trigger and fire several times at your target. And guns ARE easy to obtain. If you don't have a criminal record, walk into your local Walmart, fill out a form, and congratulations, you have a gun. Or, alternatively, if you have a lot of money and do have a record, just bribe someone, and congratulations, you have a gun. Getting a gun is ridiculously easy, especially in certain parts of the United States.

I lol'd so hard at:

That's like trying to cure AIDS with more AIDS

But I agree completely, even if you fail a background check it's easy to obtain one illegally. I mean look at Cho from the Vtech shootings, he got his illegally from what I've heard.

Yes the constitution states you have the right to bear arms to defend yourself, but it was written so long ago, it's ridiculously dated now.

And if you didn't have arms to defend yourself to begin with, you wouldn't have people attacking you with the guns as they wouldn't be available to begin with.

All arguements saying "guns r gud" are all flawed tremendously, such is the case with the "god hates fags" and all the Pro-lifers. In fact you'll probably notice that each of these arguements are shared by the same individuals.

 

[Rockman X]

But I agree completely, even if you fail a background check it's easy to obtain one illegally. I mean look at Cho from the Vtech shootings, he got his illegally from what I've heard.

Exactly. Guns are easily to obtain illegally...pretty much everything is. Banning them from the general populous, citizens who want one to protect themselves, is only putting the killers at an advantage.

And if you didn't have arms to defend yourself to begin with, you wouldn't have people attacking you with the guns as they wouldn't be available to begin with.

Right. Then we'd be back to stabbing people with knives and fashioning spears out of the trees that grow in our backyards. What's your point? Anything can be made into a weapon, I could stab a pen into someone's temple and kill them if I wanted. Taking away one weapon wouldn't solve anything, people would just go back to old ways of killing, or invent new ones.

 

[Sephiroth Crescent]

While I agree America is a very triggerhappy nation, there simply is no need for gun control. In fact if i was a congressman, and I heard somebody suggest this idea, my thoughts would be something like this "this man/woman has an agenda". Sure deaths caused by a gun are sad, and i'm not saying they should be ignored, but if you look at the number of deaths a year which is around 1,000 something the number is quite low, 400,000 something people a year die form obesity, we should have food control, and only eat Soylent Green . We should also have car control, and only ride Bikes, people in China do it, although i dont think cars are the problem because in germany theres a road where you can go as fast as you want, and very few deaths have occured.

Plus if gun control is issued, it will be the Prohibition era all over again, criminals who obtain their guns by illegal means anyway won't be affected by this law, plus its illegal to rob banks yet people do it anyway. >.> We need to do something that gives the advantage to the common man, since criminals have no regard for the law, concealed weapons....ehh idk, but its a step forward. If saving lives is truly the motive for such a law, then we should be frying the bigger fish, not guns.

And yes I know sometimes a husband will walk home and find his spouse cheating on him and might kill him/her, or vice versa. XD.


On a side note, can somebody tell me why the poll i created is up there! O:, I made a thread about this same Topic, and it seems somehow the two were merged. I deleted my topic because it seemed invalid...So since some other brilliant person came up with this topic before me, Ill just post my opinion.

Right. Then we'd be back to stabbing people with knives and fashioning spears out of the trees that grow in our backyards. What's your point? Anything can be made into a weapon, I could stab a pen into someone's temple and kill them if I wanted. Taking away one weapon wouldn't solve anything, people would just go back to old ways of killing, or invent new ones.

Amen dude, people will just find an alternative, if we make knives illegal, then....people will use what god gave them, fists, then what will everyone have their hands hacked off so we can't punch? The list goes on and on...to where it gets ridicolous, what kills someone else, is a deep dislike of that other person.

I'm open to Chris Rocks idea of making bullets like $5,000 each XD, but then people will illegally make them themselves and out of a different material, however I do support not selling certain carbines, and polymer ball capped bullets, such things exist for killing someone else, and you dont need those things to kill a damn Deer.

- Kuja