Have you noticed?

A few other people already said it but there definitely is in FFVII. However in most of the games no one says "hey im gay", but the reason is most likely that there would no reason for it except to clarify that there is a gay character in the game. Most homosexual people you meet dont come up to you and say "by the way im homosexual" either.

There is also a scene in the honey bee depending on what you do where it appears that multiple guys have sex with Cloud with the door closed for one of the feminine items.
 
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My first thought was "in what universe is Kuja straight?"

But... except for the characters that are in canonical relationships, and those that try to be ladies' men, they could be anything you want them to be. And isn't that really for the best? I wouldn't mind seeing two secondary party members of the same sex in a relationship, however.

I've heard it argued that Cloud had to be bi, there was no way a straight man would put up with a lot of the stuff that went on in Wall Market. But, I don't know.
 
I havent played FF VII but it's sounding pretty gay. We don't need a gay hero...although Lightening may be a little.....Well I mean she was origionally supposed to be a guy...and she is supposed to be the opposite of Cloud...hmmm. Oh! Like as I was saying before a side character in a homo relationship wouldn't be so bad. Half the guys of FF look the part. As for the females, they are pretty tough to be fighting and all...They have more balls than the men...
 
Oh yeah I heard discussion of Barbariccia so I thought I'd add this...

From FF Wikia

Barbariccia's name came from the Inferno, part one of the Divine Comedy, by Dante Alighieri. The creature is one of the Malebranche ("Evil Claws") who guards the 5th Malebolge in the eighth circle of Hell (Cantos XXI through XXIII). Oddly, her name means "curly beard", implying that the original demon may have been male.

There is some debate as to the nature of Barbariccia's sexuality. This is the cause for one of several jokes made in the popular Hyadain remix of the Final Fantasy IV music piece "Battle with the Four Fiends"[1]; another possible explanation could be is that in one version of the game she says something about liking how Rosa looked while she was tied up.
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So her name meaning "curly beard" and the Rosa thing mentioned there, as well as the thing Damon mentioned might explain why people have decided that she is a lesbian, but she doesn't say it outright.
 
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There is a transvestite in the bar (I think it was a bar) in Dollet n FF8.

Now I know for a fact crossdressing doesn't make you homosexual but If I remember right, the guy hits on Squall or something. You find out it's a guy by having Squall ask "you're a woman?" at which point the guys' mental thoughts can be read by us confirming it is a transvestite.
 
WanderingAesthetic said:
My first thought was "in what universe is Kuja straight?"
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Just because one dresses in an effeman... effimin..... eff.... like a chick doesn't make one gay. Being a Terran, my best guess would be that Kuja is asexual.

Fiore di Neve said:
I honestly don't think there's a reason to throw in a Gay character.
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There's no reason not to, other than offending sensibilities. S-E, being a Japanese company, may be a little hesitant to do so, considering that the Japanese are not the most accepting of people, speaking in generalities. But, hey, one of the main lessons FF 'teaches' is that people from disparate cultures/backgrounds/upbringings can come together to save the world, so statistics would demand that at some point, at least one of those heroes would have an alternative lifestyle.
 
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I havent played FF VII but it's sounding pretty gay. We don't need a gay hero...although Lightening may be a little.....Well I mean she was origionally supposed to be a guy...and she is supposed to be the opposite of Cloud...hmmm. Oh! Like as I was saying before a side character in a homo relationship wouldn't be so bad. Half the guys of FF look the part. As for the females, they are pretty tough to be fighting and all...They have more balls than the men...
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FFVII is awesome and Cloud isn't homosexual. The scene where it is implied that a man forces himself on Cloud is optional. Cloud is a ladies man without even trying. All the babes want him.


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no reason not to, other than offending sensibilities. S-E, being a Japanese company, may be a little hesitant to do so, considering that the Japanese are not the most accepting of people, speaking in generalities. But, hey, one of the main lessons FF 'teaches' is that people from disparate cultures/backgrounds/upbringings can come together to save the world, so statistics would demand that at some point, at least one of those heroes would have an alternative lifestyle.
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While I agree there being no reason not to in most ways I think the main reason not to would be that it just won't contribute much to the story to go out of there way to explain that a character is homosexual. The character wont be the main character ever or at least not in the near future because homosexual male character would turn too many people off from the game. Not that that's right or anything, but most people just wouldn't dig it. A lot of other people who did play it any would probably end up not liking it as much for their inability to get passed this or to relate. If it was a supporting hero who was homosexual how would they display this through the game? I know there are many ways but it doesn't make sense for them to do it solely for being statistically accurate. There are not many native american characters either. So the only way to go about it is to put it in as just some random thing which doesn't make much sense to do in every game. So from a business perspective putting it in most of the game just doesn't make sense. They either lose money or time, and loss of time is loss of money to them.

I don't care if the games have homosexual people in them or not.
 
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Apparent Amarant said:
FFVII is awesome and Cloud isn't homosexual. The scene where it is implied that a man forces himself on Cloud is optional. Cloud is a ladies man without even trying. All the babes want him.
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Perhaps... I just find it odd that the only FF game (unless I'm mistaken) to depict sexual intercourse, optional and suggestive or not, is between two men / multiple men, Cloud being at the centre of it all. :monster:

I'm sure it's not meant to be representative of Cloud's sexuality anyway, as Cloud does state he doesn't like it I think. I guess it was just the creators messing about and being all naughty because they looked like lego people, and lego sex is not classed as pornography (see The Brick Testament).

So I agree it is probably just a bonus scene and nothing to do with anything that really goes on in Cloud's head. It just certainly doesn't help the poor dudes image. :D
 
I consider Square-Enix the type of company that will tease, but would never actually go all the way. They can throw loads of innundo (and they really do; Kingdom Hearts, and I've heard some things about The Last Remnant...) but I doubt they'd ever actually have two guys or two girls saying anything romantically concrete to each other.

I mean, as mentioned, there are some very...interesting bits in FFVII in the beginning, but nothing really focused on the characters themselves. Even in the new FFVII installments, there's loads of innundo with Zack and Cloud's friendship, and one could question how deep a friendship was that Zack died to protect Cloud, and I might be mistaken, Cloud's way of perserving Zack's memory was to take on his attitude and things he'd done in life. A little surpising that Cloud was so deeply affected by Zack's death.

Even as early as FFV, before we found out Faris was female, there was a scene where Galuf and Bartz got all hot and bothered watching "him" sleep xD

In FFVIII, there's a random NPC that's a cross-dressing guy that Squall identifies easily as such (well, you can choose that option, but you know what I mean). Squall remember's Seifer "leering" at him, Zell's really grateful to Squall and latches onto his waist while on his knees, Irvine can check out Squall sleeping, etc...

In FFIX Zidane and Vivi taking a whizz together under the night sky...lol xD

I'm sure there's some other instances, but I guess a lot of moments are just seen the way a gamer would interpret it.

Hell, I was half thinking yuri between Yuna and Rikku in FFX, but knowing they were related and my own feelings against incest was able to stop me from seeing more.

But yeah, for FF in general, I would say don't expect a gay character to be a focus. Maybe some NPCs, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Taking a whizz together is a manly thing. Zidane is probably the straightest man character in the series to date.
 
Fusionist said:
I consider Square-Enix the type of company that will tease, but would never actually go all the way. They can throw loads of innundo (and they really do; Kingdom Hearts, and I've heard some things about The Last Remnant...) but I doubt they'd ever actually have two guys or two girls saying anything romantically concrete to each other.

1.)I mean, as mentioned, there are some very...interesting bits in FFVII in the beginning, but nothing really focused on the characters themselves. Even in the new FFVII installments, there's loads of innundo with Zack and Cloud's friendship, and one could question how deep a friendship was that Zack died to protect Cloud, and I might be mistaken, Cloud's way of perserving Zack's memory was to take on his attitude and things he'd done in life. A little surpising that Cloud was so deeply affected by Zack's death.



Even as early as FFV, before we found out Faris was female, there was a scene where Galuf and Bartz got all hot and bothered watching "him" sleep xD

2.)In FFVIII, there's a random NPC that's a cross-dressing guy that Squall identifies easily as such (well, you can choose that option, but you know what I mean). Squall remember's Seifer "leering" at him, Zell's really grateful to Squall and latches onto his waist while on his knees, Irvine can check out Squall sleeping, etc...

3.)In FFIX Zidane and Vivi taking a whizz together under the night sky...lol xD

I'm sure there's some other instances, but I guess a lot of moments are just seen the way a gamer would interpret it.

Hell, I was half thinking yuri between Yuna and Rikku in FFX, but knowing they were related and my own feelings against incest was able to stop me from seeing more.

But yeah, for FF in general, I would say don't expect a gay character to be a focus. Maybe some NPCs, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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1.) I fail to see how common decency and homosexuality(or heterosexuality) towards your fellow man go hand in hand. This is easily explained away by the fact the Zack was easily the most "decent man" of the entire series. Cloud taking Zack's persona wasn't just because of PTSD from Zack dying but also what he went through combined with the mako poisoning. I don't care if Zack is homosexual but I think it's more likely he is not because he loved Aerith, and your points dont really make sense because they are explained by the story.

2.) Except for the cross dressing none of these indicate homosexuality and are huge reaches.

3.) Nothing homosexual about the scene and its not a reference to it.

I guess you can interpret these scenes to be homosexual if you wish too, but really youd be interpreting an apple as a strip steak. I have nothing against homosexuality and it's possible I am the one interpreting it wrong, but I really dont think so.
 
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so uh, there's no homosexual characters in FF. Does it really make a difference? Furthermore, is it really even a surprising fact?

In our society, it's wrong to be gay. It's wrong to follow any religion besides Christianity. It's wrong to be anything but a tool.

and obviously, the majority of people find a relationship between a male and female character much more appealing.

The fact is about as astonishing as people saying game manufacturers are racist because there's no black people in their games.

There is also just the plain fact that in these games, homosexuality is not even thought of or even practiced. The possibility of an intimate same gender relationship does not exist.
 
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so uh, there's no homosexual characters in FF. Does it really make a difference? Furthermore, is it really even a surprising fact?

In our society, it's wrong to be gay. It's wrong to follow any religion besides Christianity. It's wrong to be anything but a tool.

and obviously, the majority of people find a relationship between a male and female character much more appealing.

The fact is about as astonishing as people saying game manufacturers are racist because there's no black people in their games.

There is also just the plain fact that in these games, homosexuality is not even thought of or even practiced. The possibility of an intimate same gender relationship does not exist.
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Yeah in our society it's wrong to do alot of things, but people still do this. Isn't one of the lessons these games teach us is to rebel against unjust laws and to fight for what's right for everyone?

FYT: There are black people in the games. Haven't you seen the veira? Black magic women with bunny ears? Besides Veira there's Kairos from FF8 and there's Barret from ff7 and maybe even Delita from fftactics...He was lookin a little tan there...

If there is as much gay people in the games as there are blacks then maybe it would be okay, but chances are there will be less than black people in the games.
 
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I just remember, Mukki in FF7 is gay if I recall (the guy who joins Cloud in the hot tub in the Honey Bee Inn)
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Oh yeah, I remember him now :D

Good question. Ive never really thought about it to be honest. I remember when X2 came out and some guys I knew said she was a lesbian cause she looked butch!! I love Paine!! Anyway, I cant really recall any gay characters. I dont think its a bad thing, it just probably isnt relavant?

Its not like gay characters are avoided, theres Kanji, one of my all time fav characters, from Persona 4 who is confused about his sexuality and masculinty (sp). So its not like the gaming world is avoiding using gay characters.
 
No gays? Here's a small list for your thoughts: Cloud (spikey metro-sexual hair), Sephiroth (bondage slave outfit), Squall (whiny emo), Tidus (belly shirt...nuff said), and Vaan (every god forsaken thing about him). I think Square makes plenty of homosexual characters maybe no lesbians, but they definitely support the gay community.
 
I think Kanji is one of the most 'blatant' gay character put in any video game to date (least that i've played) I'm shocked P4 got away with his Shadow's speech tbqh xD

@LMD And tbh I don't think any of that accounts to homosexual, there's a difference between looking the part (in your eyes) and them actually BEING homosexual. :gasp:
 
SQUALL WASNT EMO!! The word wasnt used 10 years ago was it? And how does being emo make him a homosexual? You might as well say Lulu and Paine are gay cause they are into the whole "bondage" thing ...

I loved Kanji's Shadow speech, he is beyond cute. I was so chuffed when I read up about him before I played the game and if I was wearing a hat I would have tipped it. May play it now XD
 
Amen to that SS :wacky: I hope more games can get out their closets and embrace cultures like homosexuality etc, rather than obscure reference at best :gonk:

I personally wouldn't get put off a game if it was mentioned to have x amount of homosexual characters in it :wacky:
 
Same here Damon, I dont mind playing a computer game character who is gay. Same as reading a book and the lead is gay or watching a film with a gay character, etc. Its something that needs to be embraced into todays society. I mean look at Dragon Age Origins, Zevran. He is both a love interest for male and female leads. It just needs to be used more. Theres even lesbian romance in there, as is in Mass Effect if you have a lead female role.

Its there, but I think some companies maybe bit scared in case they get a younger audience playing. Which shouldnt really be an issue.
 
I think it's because of how, a majority of yung kids and teenagers avoid homosexuality like the plague, which is really sad. And tbh I don't see that improving until it becomes somethingthey are introduced to on a more frequent basis. games don't exactly have to have guyxguy or womanxwoman relationships as physical all the time, just play it like they normally would (though I can see guys, thought not all, seeing womanxwoman more as fap material than actually embracing culture >_>)

Hopefully in the near future it'll get more coverage, it'd make games seem more realistic if they have characters (and NPCs) with different tastes in gender.
 
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