Homosexual marriage - do you agree?

[Savior of the Damned]

it wasn't meant to happen originally anyway, other animals/ mamals etc arnt gay, so if humans become/ are gay its againts nature, its not natural, it wasnt intended, mother nature never wanted her sons to get together, she made men like females. Its not our choice we should do as she planned/ wanted Plus the whole point of marriage is to have kids/ reproduce, this is why i dont agree with gay marriage.
and Riku, even if you say that homosexuality is a choice, wouldn't be factible that maybe, just maybe the others forms of sexual disorientation are choise as well?
Take a pedophile for example
why would a grown man want to have sex with a 6 year old kid?
it was his choice that's why it is punished, if it was other then wouldn't it be unfair to lock someone in jail for something they cannot help to be

 

[Misty]

You can reproduce without marriage being an issue, many people these days are having kids without getting married. Take my mother for example - she never married. My dad left when I was three. I think.

 

[QuickSilverD]

You ALSO make a choice to be heterosexual. "There's not much point in heterosexual marriage, don't you agree?"

What I was saying was, if people can choose to be gay, then they can choose to stop being gay

Says who?

Come on, it doesn't takes a genius to figure it out

No, because then they would not be homosexual. Unless I've mistaken your point.

Why would they not be gay if they stopped being gay, you are the one who say it was choice not me

Nah, I had always intended to come back at some point.

Good to hear that, I never got the oportunity to chat with you before

 

[Daenerys]

other animals/ mamals etc arnt gay, so if humans become/ are gay its againts nature,

Actually there are reports of gay animals. it happens - get over it.

Also someone else getting married cannot possibly harm you or me so i say let them do what they want - after all we have a little thing called free will for a reason, Homosexual marriage doesnt Harm anyone - hence why it isnt illegal.

And as Judge Rulia pointed out - pedophila, incest, and zoophilia ARE harmful and that is why they are ilegal - Homosexual marriage inst harmful so therefore it is not illegal.

 

[Davey Gaga]

it wasn't meant to happen originally anyway, other animals/ mamals etc arnt gay, so if humans become/ are gay its againts nature, its not natural, it wasnt intended, mother nature never wanted her sons to get together, she made men like females. Its not our choice we should do as she planned/ wanted Plus the whole point of marriage is to have kids/ reproduce, this is why i dont agree with gay marriage.

Marriage is there for two people, who love each other. Marriage legally binds them and the two people declare their love for one another. Is a woman not allowed to love a woman?

and Riku, even if you say that homosexuality is a choice, wouldn't be factible that maybe, just maybe the others forms of sexual disorientation are choise as well?

Hasn't there been a study of some sort, proving that peadophillia is a mental illness?

if it was other then wouldn't it be unfair to lock someone in jail for something they cannot help to be

Contradiction +1

What I was saying was, if people can choose to be gay, then they can choose to stop being gay

Why do they have to, though? It's their choice, not yours. It's their lives, not yours. Leave them alone.

Come on, it doesn't takes a genius to figure it out

I'd prefer you said it, just to be clear.

 

[QuickSilverD]

Why do they have to, though? It's their choice, not yours. It's their lives, not yours. Leave them alone.

Calm down, I’m not hunting them and killing them or something like that

I'd prefer you said it, just to be clear.

Ok, ok, so why Homosexuality was never meant to be, well, let me explain it in a way that even you will understand it:

One day, Mother Nature decided to create a form of life different and more complex than the asexual one, she create sexual reproduction, this new kind of reproduction required two types of creatures of the same species “genders” males and females, who had the ability to create new life through a process of mutual interaction “sex”, but there was a problem, the two creatures were different, so mother nature had to figure out a way to “force” them to keep their species going.

She decided wrote in the males minds that females were hot and sex was great, and vice versa, this way both creatures would come together to have sex, thus reproducing thus permitting the species to go on. It was only intended that males had sex with females.

So the answer is “Nature”, or “Mother Nature”, now you can say all what you want about free will and unnatural things being great (after all most of the things we use are not natural) but the point was that the original plan was this one regardless of people following it or not.

 

[Grand Lethal]

I've only read a few posts of this topic, but I already feel the need to e-strangle a few people.

I think it's fine. Two men or two women who love each other and want to declare that love perfectly OK. It is in no way harming people if two people of the same sex love each other. What pisses me off are people who compare all homosexuals to pedophiles and rapists. OK, there are SOME homosexual pedophiles/rapists, but if you think about it, heterosexual men are the main rapists. How many women a year are raped? (And for the record, women can in fact rape people.) But lets not get off topic. Homosexuality isn't evil.

There's nothing wrong about LOVE. And for many religious people out there who think it's wrong: Wasn't LOVE the main thing that God says to do? "Love thy neighbour" and all that? Meh, I'm an atheist, so I don't really care what people say. Same-sex sex is not a sin. Love isn't a sin. Just because some book says so, doesn't make it so. I'm bisexual, but I want to have children of my own, so I (hopefully) will marry a woman, but, I do intend to commit sodomy. What a better way to piss off Big G up there? ^

*Sigh* So yeah, I think Gay and Lesbian Marriage is perfectly fine.

P.S: Sorry for the off-topic rant/(slight flame?)

 

[Davey Gaga]

Calm down, I’m not hunting them and killing them or something like that

No, just persecuting them on a forum xD

Ok, ok, so why Homosexuality was never meant to be, well, let me explain it in a way that even you will understand it:

One day, Mother Nature decided to create a form of life different and more complex than the asexual one, she create sexual reproduction, this new kind of reproduction required two types of creatures of the same species “genders” males and females, who had the ability to create new life through a process of mutual interaction “sex”, but there was a problem, the two creatures were different, so mother nature had to figure out a way to “force” them to keep their species going.

She decided wrote in the males minds that females were hot and sex was great, and vice versa, this way both creatures would come together to have sex, thus reproducing thus permitting the species to go on. It was only intended that males had sex with females.

So the answer is “Nature”, or “Mother Nature”, now you can say all what you want about free will and unnatural things being great (after all most of the things we use are not natural) but the point was that the original plan was this one regardless of people following it or not.

What this post tells me is that you're homophobic and are only thinking about homosexuals having sex.

Homosexual Marriage - Do you agree?

As far as anyone can say, that large post was your opinion on why you're against homosexuals - because they can't reproduce. So, simply because it's not possible for two woman to reproduce, does that mean they should not be allowed to love each other; to be married and, later, adopt?

 

[Rydia]

Actually there are reports of gay animals. it happens - get over it.

Also someone else getting married cannot possibly harm you or me so i say let them do what they want - after all we have a little thing called free will for a reason, Homosexual marriage doesnt Harm anyone - hence why it isnt illegal.

And as Judge Rulia pointed out - pedophila, incest, and zoophilia ARE harmful and that is why they are ilegal - Homosexual marriage inst harmful so therefore it is not illegal.

Yep and I've seen it happen with my sister cat. He would go hump the other male cat but never the female... and this is when he was still a kitten and hadn't been neutered yet.

 

[QuickSilverD]

I've only read a few posts of this topic, but I already feel the need to e-strangle a few people.

I suppose you are talking about me. Cause I’m the only one who is arguing against it in this topic. And not that I said “the one using arguments” ignore all others.

I think it's fine. Two men or two women who love each other and want to declare that love perfectly OK. It is in no way harming people if two people of the same sex love each other. What pisses me off are people who compare all homosexuals to pedophiles and rapists. OK, there are SOME homosexual pedophiles/rapists, but if you think about it, heterosexual men are the main rapists. How many women a year are raped? (And for the record, women can in fact rape people.) But lets not get off topic. Homosexuality isn't evil.

Ok, it was me who did that comparison, so I’m the one that should answer it, well I actually didn’t mention rapists at all but anyway. The thing is that homosexuality is a form of “sexual disorientation” this is not really arguable as homosexuality as I explained before is not the way sexuality is supposed to be thus indeed “disorientation”.

I was comparing it to the others ones, asking if people could tell me the differences, like pedophilia and zoophilia for example, children are humans so there are capable of love and admiration, thus it would be logically possible for an adult and a kid to be in love out of free will, and animals have souls and feelings so it is also possible for then to be in love, any pervert farmer could claim that “she” loves him, so looking it this way neither those two are harmful.

What? Did I manipulate the situation too much to make it fit to my point of view, well some of you did the same. Now before you get the wrong idea from me, I’m against all these forms of sexual disorientation, they are all sick and should not be allowed (homosexuality included)

There's nothing wrong about LOVE. And for many religious people out there who think it's wrong: Wasn't LOVE the main thing that God says to do? "Love thy neighbour" and all that? Meh, I'm an atheist, so I don't really care what people say. Same-sex sex is not a sin. Love isn't a sin. Just because some book says so, doesn't make it so. I'm bisexual, but I want to have children of my own, so I (hopefully) will marry a woman, but, I do intend to commit sodomy. What a better way to piss off Big G up there? ^

Yeah Love is great, Fuck the Bible! [/sarcasm] this part of your post should be answer by someone else, Why you may ask? Well I haven’t really use the Bible or religion to argue against homosexuality and thus homosexual marriage

 

[Grand Lethal]

Actually, my post wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at some of the very first posts in the topic. I'm not reading all 26 pages

 

[Davey Gaga]

Ok, it was me who did that comparison, so I’m the one that should answer it, well I actually didn’t mention rapists at all but anyway. The thing is that homosexuality is a form of “sexual disorientation” this is not really arguable as homosexuality as I explained before is not the way sexuality is supposed to be thus indeed “disorientation”.

I'm not getting anywhere with this, am I?

 

[Savior of the Damned]

nope lol

 

[Serah]

I'm so freakin' against it.


THE MAIN REASON FOR MARRIAGE IS TO HAVE KIDS AND KEEP THE LIFE CYCLE GOING...


IF YOU BOTH HAVE WANG WANGS YOU CANT HAVE KIDS

Are you serious?? I'm married and that's not the reason why I'm married. Last I knew one of the major reasons to get married is because you're truly in love with that person and you want to spend the rest of your life bound to them. Marriage is a sacred bond to me and unity. My husband is more to me that just a sex machine that would fill me full of babies. Marriage isn't what keeps the life cycle going on, sex is and you don't have to be married to make love.

Honestly, I feel that if two people are in love and they want to be together homo or not, then they should have every right now. It's really not one's fault that they become a homosexual, that's just where their bodies and hormones lead them. *shrugs*

Also Busta, I know you're staff too and all but honestly, that last comment was highly unnecessary...If I were a homosexual I would have been highly offended by that and I'm sure if we have any homosexuals here they would be highly offended by that.

 

[BustaMo]

I'm so freakin' against it.


THE MAIN REASON FOR MARRIAGE IS TO HAVE KIDS AND KEEP THE LIFE CYCLE GOING...


IF YOU BOTH HAVE WANG WANGS YOU CANT HAVE KIDS

First off, I apologize for this quote. I was just citing a friend and it should have been made known in my actual post. Please read on:

I think maybe we should break it down and look at the advantages and disadvantages of approving Homosexual marriages where they lie:

Advantages

• People can freely marry/publically love who they wish to.
• Gets rid of the disproportionate number of same sex marriages. Instead of just them mainly living in Massachusetts and California, more would be willing to travel and live in other states due to the marraige laws being universal dealing with homosexuality.
• Adoption issues may be more accepting to same sex parents if joined together in marraiges instead of Civil Unions.

Disadvantages

• Some believe that the only true moral and right way to join in marriage is between a man and a wife.
• Unless a Circuit donor is used for the man or woman's eggs or sperm, the true bloodline cannot be passed down through the 2 parents. However, science and technology nowadays has been escalating and may reach grounds we couldn't even imagine.
• Those focused on a biblically based view see homosexuality as an abomination and wrong in the eyes of the Lord.
• Possibility of it being a gateway to other allowances in marraiges such as Polygamy, incest, or even exchanging vows with a dead person. (insane, I know)

Now I know these may not necessary be "Advantages vs. Disadvantages, maybe more of pro's vs. con's or For vs. Against, but it is just a few reasons why it could go either way. I know there are tons more.

Me myself, I am against it. Sure I'm a Christian and base a lot of my beliefs off of the Bible and what I believe in it, but I stand by it 100%. Do I hate those who are gay? Not even close. Do I think persecution of them is fair? Not at all. We are all human beings no matter what we choose to do in our lives, even in extreme circumstances. We do not have to conform to the lifestyles of someone else who chooses the homosexual path, but we should equally treat those who's ways differ from our own at times.

 

[Tristis Miles]

Why is a dull question, some people (like me) just don't like gay people, in some cases homophoby is in such develop that the simple notion of a gay man around you disgust you so much that you feel like vomit, not saying that being such a person is right just telling you how it is for some people.

off topic, Tristis I noticed that you just used me as an example in one of your post, nothing wrong with that I just can't believe that there are still people in this thread that are actually playing attention and reading other members posts, if we had a reputation system I would give you points for that

"Why?" isn't a dull or dumb question at all though, QuickSilver. The reasons behind which we do something are in fact one of the most significant pieces to life. If we didn't question or have reason behind our actions, what would that make us?

(quick example, in the past towns held 'lotteries' and stoned to death a person as sacrifice so their crops would grow well that year. They did this annually out of tradition, no one questioned 'why?')

I recommend reading a book called Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury - it's perfect to explain and a quick read. Spark-Note it if you want summary rather than sitting down and reading it, whatever.

My point being: "Just... because!" isn't exactly valid, is it? If you killed someone and were charged, that response would get you nowhere. It also shows that, with no backing to your move, your move is unjustified. "Some people just hate gays, that's all..." Again, why?
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And you're welcome I suppose, but listening to other's thoughts and talking things out is what a debate topic is all about. I truly hope the posters here are reading at least a few other posts before making their comment. I see from a lot of recent ones that people sure aren't reading mine... lol.

 

[Aeitha]

I completely agree with it. Its not fair that people discriminate against a minority. And I don't like it when people say its a gay person's "choice" to be gay. Thats the way they are, they no control over the way they feel, so its not there choice at all.

So yeah, totally for Gay marriage 110%!

 

[Davey Gaga]

I completely agree with it. Its not fair that people discriminate against a minority. And I don't like it when people say its a gay person's "choice" to be gay. Thats the way they are, they no control over the way they feel, so its not there choice at all.

So yeah, totally for Gay marriage 110%!

So, basically, what you're saying is that a person can be homosexual and not actually want it. Right. I'll stick with the choice argument

 

[Tristis Miles]

So, basically, what you're saying is that a person can be homosexual and not actually want it. Right. I'll stick with the choice argument

Yeah, a person can be homosexual and not want to be. It's common thing actually, Riku. Many feel ashamed and a lot of self-hatred gathers. Why do you think most keep it hidden within themselves for so long? Also, why do you think they turn to these supposed treatments to try and 'rid' themselves of it? Sexuality, just like height, may be something you are satisfied or dissatisfied with.

I'm curious to know: why do you think it's a choice?

 

[Davey Gaga]

Yeah, a person can be homosexual and not want to be. It's common thing actually, Riku. Many feel ashamed and a lot of self-hatred gathers. Why do you think most keep it hidden within themselves for so long? Also, why do you think they turn to these supposed treatments to try and 'rid' themselves of it? Sexuality, just like height, may be something you are satisfied or dissatisfied with.

Well, I can honestly say that this fact is something that has escaped me. I've never even heard of such "treatments." As for the reason to hiding the fact - why, the pressures and criticism from society, of course!

I'm curious to know: why do you think it's a choice?

Why? I honestly cannot think of a justified reason why I think it's a person's choice. It just seems like the only answer to me, so I stick with it. It may relate to the fact that I don't believe that a person cannot control themselves. Let me give an example:

I cannot understand why a smoker cannot just stop smoking, if they truly want to. I have no grasp of how powerful an addiction can be [other than the occassional fan-boy addiction to Riku] and so I have no clue as to how difficult it may be to withdraw from smoking. Same for homosexuality - if the person wants to be homosexual, then I don't see how something can hold them back from that, because it's a choice that they've made to be like that. I don't really believe that something else has a grip or any kind of control over you that you can't fight.

I'm reading over this myself and it sounds like I'm just desperately trying to scrounge some words together ... but at least it makes sense in my head. Stressful day, you see