How did Lucrecia die?

I always liked to think she stayed alive until Vincent visited her letting her know that Sephiroth was presumed dead/ possibly alive as weird shit was going down ( Ican't remember clearly what he says at that point of the game). And after he left she had nothing to hold onto so just faded away...
 
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It never actually occurred to me that she had died...Certainly not after Sephiroth's birth, because of the scene where she is screaming at Hojo to see her child just once.

I don't think we are supposed to understand the science or reasoning behind why she is able to seal her physical body in a crystal, why her spirit supposedly leaves her body once she "dies", (I assume her lifeforce slowly fades away whilst she's in the crystal), or why her remaining memory fragments are reactive to stimuli - how they are able to "whisper" to Vincent and form coherent images and what-not.

It could be debated that the 'true' Lucrecia is dead, but her physical body is sealed in the crystal in a form of stasis, stripped of all spirit or identity ('...The real me crumbled away long ago.'), and is merely a vessel for the JENOVA cells to lie dormant.
I find it interesting that JENOVA was discovered in a 2000 year-old "geological stratum", and Lucrecia is in pretty much exactly the same state.

Before Lucrecia 'dies', she does a similar thing to Hojo, in that she scatters her nmemonic data throughout the 'network' in hopes that someone, somewhere will discover it and be able to help Vincent. This makes enough sense, but doesn't explain why these fragments would be present at the site of her dead body. ^^,
 
Lucrecia never died, the game specifically tells us that she even tried to kill herself but the Jenova cells in her wouldn't let her die. She sealed herself in that crystal in the cave, but she is still alive.
 
I don't know if she is still alive, I mean, the Jenova cells in her body might have prevented her from taking her own life, but I believe she would be able to die in other circumstances, like in time. My other theory is that she wouldn't be able to kill herself while pregnant, because the Jenova cells wouldn't let Sephiroth die.

At least that's what I know from playing FFVII, I haven't played DoC yet so I don't know if this game explains it better.
 
SOLDIERis1337 said:
Lucrecia never died, the game specifically tells us that she even tried to kill herself but the Jenova cells in her wouldn't let her die. She sealed herself in that crystal in the cave, but she is still alive.
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DoC specifically says she DID die though, and that the Lucrecia in the cave isn't real.
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the Lucrecia of the cave says this to Vincent in DoC:

"Hello Vincent. Something's wrong... You see, this is me, but only in a sense. It is merely a reflection created with my remaining data. The real me crumbled away long ago."


So she certainly did die, I assume that the Jenova cells simply wouldn't let her die until Sephiroth was born.
 
She tried to take her life only after Sephiroth was born, so we know they kept her alive afterward. Also, we see her actual body in the crystal, and she speaks to Vincent and his companions in FF VII, not as fragmented data, but as an actual consciousness. In Dirge we see her still preserved body in the crystal as well, her data speaks but her body is there. I believe the "crumbled away long ago" bit is a metaphorical thing after she lost the will to live.
 
This makes me want to replay the whole game now. -__-;;
DoC, I mean.

I'd be inclined to agree with SOLIDERis1337's theory, and I thought the scene in which she says she 'crumbled away long ago' was more of a reinforcement that it was her memory fragments speaking to Vincent, not her, and that at the point in time in which the fragments were scattered, she wouldn't have known that her suicide attempt would fail, or that her body would remain perfectly preserved in Waterfall Cave. Does that make any sense? @.@
 
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Well, I still disagree. Whether or not that truly is Lucrecia's body in the crystal is never really said. But even if it is I still think she's dead.

I don't recall her ever saying that she tried to take her life after giving birth.

Doing it prior to birth makes more sense to me. We see that she had visions of what Sephiroth would eventually do, they weren't exactly pretty.
I think it would be reasonable for me to try to take my life if I had visions of my future son doing terrible things.


Well, actually I'd probably first make a visit to a psychiatrist, but there don't seem to be a ton of those in the FFVII world. >_<
 
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She wanted to kill herself because she was never allowed to see her son and realized that she made her own child's life into nothing more than an experiment for ShinRa. DoC shows us that what set her over the edge was Hojo never letting her hold her own son. Her suicide attempts and subsequent crystal sealing all occurred after Sephiroth was born.
 
Well DoC provides nothing that actually says that. While it does provide the line where she says that the real her "crumbled away".

If you're basing your claims on DoC, then you're just making assumptions. If you can provide proof that shows DoC said that she lived, then by all means be my guest.
 
There's a cutscene in Dirge that actually shows her begging Hojo to let her see the child. This shows us that she was still on board and with ShinRa after his birth, and that it wasn't until later that she ran off to kill herself.
 
SOLDIERis1337 said:
There's a cutscene in Dirge that actually shows her begging Hojo to let her see the child. This shows us that she was still on board and with ShinRa after his birth, and that it wasn't until later that she ran off to kill herself.
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I highlighted the part that DoC never even hinted at. DoC doesn't provide any evidence of that.

Just because she's on board with Shinra doesn't mean the suicide attempts happened later.
 
But it does. If she was so upset over her involvement in the project that she was suicidal about it she most definitely wouldn't keep working on it. All the evidence says she tried to kill herself after Sephiroth was born.
 
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But it does. If she was so upset over her involvement in the project that she was suicidal about it she most definitely wouldn't keep working on it. All the evidence says she tried to kill herself after Sephiroth was born.
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Regardless of likelihood, that's still an assumption. There's no cold hard facts provided for that.

You're not in her mind, and you don't know her motives or what she was thinking. Maybe she stayed for Vincent, either out of love or guilt for what happened to his father when she worked with him.
Or perhaps she was convinced by someone into staying.

What I'm looking for is actual cold hard evidence, not just a chain of events that makes it likely.
 
Well its apparent that I'm not going to change your mind, but all the evidence we have points very clearly to her not attempting suicide until post Sephiroth's birth. I have given cold hard evidence, as this chain of events and Lucrecia's actions are in fact evidence, but if you still don't buy it let's just agree to disagree.
 
I would refute what you said, but if you want to stop here then that's fine.

I agree that this debate does seem to be going in circles. So I'll agree to agreeing to disagree.


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Wasnt that cave something to do with the whole chaos and omega theory?

I assumed that after giving birth to Sephiroth and the guilt of what happened with vincent she sort of became an empty person. And wondered back to the cystl cave
(which I believe is the same as in VII and DoC just the design was improved). Where she attempted suiside but the Jenova cells wouldnt allow her to become one with the life stream.

And that her distressed spirit was somehow left in that area where she stayed until Vincent turned up with the party
 
i think you are right to a degree but instead of trying to take her own life she did not think she did not deserve to live or die so she just cast some high level magic on her self to just well stop really
 
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