How do you think Obama is doing

[GBJoker]

Racism and race relations in general is far too complex an issue to simplify it to that extent. For example, the question "Do you think blacks in your community have as much access to jobs" or whatever it was, is as much a socioeconomic issue as it is a race issue.

Moreover, you could make the argument that there's the 'backlash against whites' only in reaction to the backlash against Obama. As in black folks didn't realize how racist white folks were until we elected a black man and the idiots came out of the woodwork. So nothing's really changed.

I'll go with what I see with my own two eyes in a community that is 49% black and 49% white over a graph that asks vague, overbroad questions in search of oversimplified answers.

Yes, because as the religious people have proven, personal experience is far superior to actual data.

I'd rather listen to the stats and data than that. If I wanted to listen to personal experience, I could EASILY say that Obama's election to POTUS has only ensured that whites like me should never be able to get a job, that being based of what I see around my community. Or just as bad, that conservatives like me (Read: "Right-Wing Extremists), should never get a job either.

You wouldn't believe the power trip some people in StL got after the Messiah was sworn in.

Edit: Spelling, etc...

 

[ClaireSensei]

To me the one true thing i am sad toward obama is he drop the ball on health care
right know we or number 37th in the list of the best health care we or behind cuba for goodness sake. medicare is going to go bank rupt in 2017 if nothing is done.
here another example their this hotel chain owner who hire his own doctores and all the equipment for his workers and he saves money. Uh and death pannels we have them know innsurance companys have groups within that does nothing but try to find ways to un cover some one who is sick and costing the money uh and if they do that person gets a bonus. this women had cancer they uncover her because well she was 46 and they found out she had pimples when she was a teenager even through when she go to apply they said she did not have to put down any thing past 10 years ago.
Another one they uncover then after she died they sent a notice saying sorry we mess up with the paper work she should have been cover. these or just some examples. A entire family in cannada can get cover for less then 300 dollars even if they have more then 4 kids. the bill when first made for health care was wonderful however obama drop they bomb first he did not make sure every one knew what was on the bill and what was not which gave room for people to make up rumors about it.
Which hurt it big time then he tried playing nice guy and getting ride of very important parts of it. So he drop the ball big time, hopefully it get fix before it past.


sorry bad grammar

Yes, because as the religious people have proven, personal experience is far superior to actual data.

I'd rather listen to the stats and data than that. If I wanted to listen to personal experience, I could EASILY say that Obama's election to POTUS has only ensured that whites like me should never be able to get a job, that being based of what I see around my community. Or just as bad, that conservatives like me (Read: "Right-Wing Extremists), should never get a job either.

You wouldn't believe the power trip some people in StL got after the Messiah was sworn in.

Edit: Spelling, etc...

only different bettween black and white is fish sun and terriane
so plz stop talking about it

Again, all politicians do that, regardless of party.



Really? Because that contributed to a tripling in the price of gas.



Let me take the conservative standpoint here: Make more money or don't get sick/in an accident.

Honestly, if you're able to afford health insurance on $1000/mo., you need to tell me who you insure under.



"Data released today [8/29/06] by the Census Bureau show that the number of uninsured Americans stood at a record 46.6 million in 2005, with 15.9 percent of Americans lacking health coverage. “The number of uninsured Americans reached an all-time high in 2005,” said Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “It is sobering that 5.4 million more people lacked health insurance in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001, primarily because of the erosion of employer-based insurance.”"

"A new Census report finds that, in 2008, the number of people without health insurance increased from from 45.7 million to 46.3 million (the number of uninsured has increased by 7.3 million since 2000)."



You don't get health insurance because you're sick. (In fact, most insurance companies won't cover pre-existing conditions.) You get health insurance in case you become sick or get in an accident.



Sure, that's what I said.



"According to the Bureau of Justice of Statistics, by the end of 2005 there were 3,145 black male prison inmates per 100,000 in the United States compared to 471 white male inmates per 100,000."

Sure looks almost equal to me.

you right more blacks or in prison then white.
however more blacks will do crime then white but that because of the mind set. ave low class white male i don't need school as long as i work hard even if i never get any where i am a sombody as long as i work.
For low class blacks it more of a i wont to do something but school wont help me either rap football or basketball. if i don't make one of those then either drugs or stealing. If they for both just reliseh if they do do school they could become something. Uh i have lived in getto my entire child life and moved but every time to another getto and in every one this is how both side acts.
However blacks will let out their emotion a lot easier then a white.
So if you look yes a loot more black prisoners however when get to the rape, mass killing their a lot more whites. because white males don't let out their emotions like idiots then blow up and do something like murder with out thinking.

Not saying every low class and when i say low class just mean poor
acts his way or thinks this way but this is the ave among every one i meet. Plus data i look up.

well like my saying is fish,sun and terraine only thing different phy with white and blacks. mentallly the the culture they grew up in.

sorry for bad grammar

 

[.Ted]

I still think he's doing alright, despite the debt Bush left behind (I hear we were actually in a SURPLUS when Clinton left office, but I have yet to confirm that).

One more thing. I don't like it when people hate on our PRESIDENT simply because of his name. I hear his middle name is "Hussein" but so what? If you take away the M and C in "McCain" you get "Cain." It's absurd to assume our President is a terrorist as much as believing Bush was the Devil.

For the record, Cain was the first murderer. Saddam Hussein may have caused many deaths, but Cain paved the way to murder, which in my opinion is much worse than what Saddam has done. With this in mind, I can just share many people's ignorance for a moment and say "Oh, since McCain shares the name of a murderer, it means McCain must be a murderer too." We know McCain is no murderer, so shut up about Obama's name and focus on his actions more.

I don't think many liberals know what I know, so I'm thinking about spreading the "McCain = Cain" lie unless I don't find any more ignorance in this country. Is it any wonder why some countries hate us?

 

[ClaireSensei]

I still think he's doing alright, despite the debt Bush left behind (I hear we were actually in a SURPLUS when Clinton left office, but I have yet to confirm that).

One more thing. I don't like it when people hate on our PRESIDENT simply because of his name. I hear his middle name is "Hussein" but so what? If you take away the M and C in "McCain" you get "Cain." It's absurd to assume our President is a terrorist as much as believing Bush was the Devil.

For the record, Cain was the first murderer. Saddam Hussein may have caused many deaths, but Cain paved the way to murder, which in my opinion is much worse than what Saddam has done. With this in mind, I can just share many people's ignorance for a moment and say "Oh, since McCain shares the name of a murderer, it means McCain must be a murderer too." We know McCain is no murderer, so shut up about Obama's name and focus on his actions more.

I don't think many liberals know what I know, so I'm thinking about spreading the "McCain = Cain" lie unless I don't find any more ignorance in this country. Is it any wonder why some countries hate us?

you know mccain as not born in the usa yes it was on a base a usa base outside of the country however it was before they pass the bill which allow some one to be born on usa base and still be consider a usa citizen their or people out their from back then who had to become a citizen of a different country because their child was born in it even through they was on a base. well this was long ago any way back on the subject right when this rumor started obama smash it about mccain right away.
Even through he could have use it at teh time greatly and if you notice mccian done nothing to stop romurs about obama.
Obama wont to be nice guy he to nice actually which is the reason he drop the ball on health care bill plaing nice only get you step on in dc.
the bill was wonderfu at first know it sucks.

sorry bad grammar

 

[GBJoker]

One more thing. I don't like it when people hate on our PRESIDENT simply because of his name. I hear his middle name is "Hussein" but so what? If you take away the M and C in "McCain" you get "Cain." It's absurd to assume our President is a terrorist as much as believing Bush was the Devil.

For the record, Cain was the first murderer. Saddam Hussein may have caused many deaths, but Cain paved the way to murder, which in my opinion is much worse than what Saddam has done. With this in mind, I can just share many people's ignorance for a moment and say "Oh, since McCain shares the name of a murderer, it means McCain must be a murderer too." We know McCain is no murderer, so shut up about Obama's name and focus on his actions more.

I don't think many liberals know what I know, so I'm thinking about spreading the "McCain = Cain" lie unless I don't find any more ignorance in this country. Is it any wonder why some countries hate us?

I don't really care too much about names. Just throwing that out there.

But Cain was the first murderer? I find that hard to believe. And yes, people who judge on name alone are morons.

you know mccain as not born in the usa yes it was on a base a usa base outside of the country however it was before they pass the bill which allow some one to be born on usa base and still be consider a usa citizen their or people out their from back then who had to become a citizen of a different country because their child was born in it even through they was on a base. well this was long ago any way back on the subject right when this rumor started obama smash it about mccain right away.
Even through he could have use it at teh time greatly and if you notice mccian done nothing to stop romurs about obama.
Obama wont to be nice guy he to nice actually which is the reason he drop the ball on health care bill plaing nice only get you step on in dc.
the bill was wonderfu at first know it sucks.

And Hawaii won't release the supposed documents of Obama's birth there... So he could be Indonesian, Phillipine, Kenyan, or who knows what else. At least McCain proved he was born on the base.

I still think he's doing alright, despite the debt Bush left behind (I hear we were actually in a SURPLUS when Clinton left office, but I have yet to confirm that).

The surplus was only partially there. The surplus was calculated based on the assumptions the dotcom bubble and derivatives would continue at the pace they had at the time. We all know what happened to those two.

On a similar note...

http://cnsnews.com/commentary/article/61454

When Pres. Bush Jr left office January 19 2009, the federal deficit was 11 trillion, with a T; five of which can be directly attributed to Pres. Bush Jr. As of January 19, 2010, one year of Pres. Obama, it's at about 13.3ish... 2 to be attributed to Pres. Obama. Yeah, Bush clearly spent too much compared to all that Obama's saving. Also, since the Dem/socialists are in charge, they want us to ignore the fact that nearly half of Bush's spending was done after 2006, ie. after Pelosi and Reid took over.

 

[CassinoChips]

And Hawaii won't release the supposed documents of Obama's birth there... So he could be Indonesian, Phillipine, Kenyan, or who knows what else. At least McCain proved he was born on the base.

Was his mother an American citizen? (Yes.)

Had she lived in the United States for at least 10 years of her life prior to his birth? (Yes.)

Were at least five of those years after her 14th birthday? (Yes.)

Do those things make him a citizen? (Yes.)

Does the production of his birth certificate have any relevance? (No.)

 

[GBJoker]

Was his mother an American citizen? (Yes.)

Had she lived in the United States for at least 10 years of her life prior to his birth? (Yes.)

Were at least five of those years after her 14th birthday? (Yes.)

Do those things make him a citizen? (Yes.)

Does the production of his birth certificate have any relevance? (No.)

Then why the hell are the lib-tards making such a big deal out of it? Yes, I meant liberals. Obama shouldn't have to have millions of dollars in lawyer fees unless he had to hide something.

 

[CassinoChips]

They didn't make a big deal of it until everybody on (R) Mouthpiece Channel screamed bloody murder. And I'm sure you meant "lib-tards" in a satirical manner. Which of course makes it perfectly acceptable.

 

[GBJoker]

They didn't make a big deal of it until everybody on (R) Mouthpiece Channel screamed bloody murder. And I'm sure you meant "lib-tards" in a satirical manner. Which of course makes it perfectly acceptable.

So let me get this straight...

Candidate X starts a campaign against Candidate Y. X is starting to catch up to Y. Group of people Q complain that X may not have been born in USA. Q demands proof be made available to public. Y provides proof. X hires 15 lawyers to debate and fight and argue, only to at the end of the whole mess, still not provide proof. Therefore, X is A-okay?

Yeah, sure.

 

[CassinoChips]

Y provides proof.

Y did not provide proof, they provided circumstantial evidence.

But you're missing the point. The argument is irrelevant because Obama's mother was an American citizen and fit the year requirements. Thus, Obama could have been born in the U.S., Russia, the middle of the Marianas Trench, or on Saturn, and he would still be a U.S. citizen.

 

[GBJoker]

Y did not provide proof, they provided circumstantial evidence.

But you're missing the point. The argument is irrelevant because Obama's mother was an American citizen and fit the year requirements. Thus, Obama could have been born in the U.S., Russia, the middle of the Marianas Trench, or on Saturn, and he would still be a U.S. citizen.

Forgive me when I say this... But I don't care that his mother met the bare minimum requirements. I mean, the dude takes pride in living in virtually every country in the world except the Asian ones. He's a foreigner as far as I'm concerned.

And so is McCain.

On a sidenote, more news:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DTFFF83&show_article=1

Will Obama-care help these people? I am betting no...

 

[Saints&Storms]

Y did not provide proof, they provided circumstantial evidence.

But you're missing the point. The argument is irrelevant because Obama's mother was an American citizen and fit the year requirements. Thus, Obama could have been born in the U.S., Russia, the middle of the Marianas Trench, or on Saturn, and he would still be a U.S. citizen.

Got that damn straight...


I think Obama is focusing too much on th little domestic things inside of America, like peeling the don't ask don't tell, it wasn't the most important thing right now and didn't HAVE to be put before more important things, Seriously Obama?

 

[CassinoChips]

Forgive me when I say this... But I don't care that his mother met the bare minimum requirements. I mean, the dude takes pride in living in virtually every country in the world except the Asian ones. He's a foreigner as far as I'm concerned.

And so is McCain.

Doesn't matter what you care about. The only thing that matters is the law. And in the eyes of the law, he and McCain are both citizens.

 

[blakstang98]

But you're missing the point. The argument is irrelevant because Obama's mother was an American citizen and fit the year requirements. Thus, Obama could have been born in the U.S., Russia, the middle of the Marianas Trench, or on Saturn, and he would still be a U.S. citizen.

I promised myself I wouldn't post in a political debate again, and I'm not going to post anything political. I won't state anything political, but morely what I read a while back. I read that citizenship is actually based on where the father is living at the time. I've never actually researched this because quite frankly I don't care. I know there was a debate going on about Obama's citizenship and someone (I don't recall the name) was stating this and noted that Obama's father was living in the UK at the time, making him a UK citizen, not the US. But as I stated, I really don't know what determines citizenship, maybe it is based on where the mother lived (which makes more sense for many reasons). I just figured I'd add some more debate material. Happy debating!

 

[CassinoChips]

There are stipulations for one parent living abroad and being an American citizen, as well as two parents living abroad and being American citizens, but it doesn't differentiate between male and female. Thinking pragmatically, why would it matter where the father is? The mother's the one giving birth, thus determining the location of the child.

 

[.Ted]

I don't really care too much about names. Just throwing that out there.

But Cain was the first murderer? I find that hard to believe. And yes, people who judge on name alone are morons.

Forgot to also mention Cain is one of the sons of Adam and Eve from, yes, the Bible, something that many Republicans use so much.

But anyways, yes, exactly my point. People who judge on name alone are morons. It seems you don't like Obama either, but at least your reasons are good enough, not some immature speculation like others I've seen.

EDIT: Corrected some typos. Sorry, everyone.

 

[GBJoker]

Since I've been told a few times in PM to stop arguing from emotion or without thought, etc, I decided to bring my guns loaded this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

Scroll down to "Citizenship at birth on the U.S. territories and former U.S. territories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama

Says when mother is born, but not where.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

Father born clearly in Kenya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Born at Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, Honolulu, Hawai, August 4, 1961.

According to first link, since President Obama was born after April 30, 1900 in Hawai, he would automatically be a citizen of the U.S.

I am demanding to know why exactly did the Democrat party of liberals and socialist and fascists decide to have then candidate for presidency Barrack Obama hire MILLIONS of dollars worth of lawyers to not have to disclose that unbelievably easy to prove birth and citizenship papers?

Even though I don't like McCain either, I'll admit I was wrong on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator_John_McCain

Born August 29, 1936

And to quote first link again;

"The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 U.S.C. § 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section."


The point is... Why should I believe the guy (/party) who can throw away millions of dollars on lawyers, since that is what at least half of the democrats run their platforms on ("I look out for the poor people.") ?

 

[CassinoChips]

Born at Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, Honolulu, Hawai, August 4, 1961.

Pop quiz. When was Hawaii admitted to the Union?

Says when mother is born, but not where.

From WikiAnswers: Barack Obama's mother is Ann Dunham. She was born on November 27, 1942 in Wichita, Kansas, to Stanley and Madelyn Dunham.

I am demanding to know why exactly did the Democrat party of liberals and socialist and fascists decide to have then candidate for presidency Barrack Obama hire MILLIONS of dollars worth of lawyers to not have to disclose that unbelievably easy to prove birth and citizenship papers?

You should never wrestle in the mud with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

 

[GBJoker]

Pop quiz. When was Hawaii admitted to the Union?

Pop answer, doesn't matter, I'm sure Obama was born after April 30, 1900.

From WikiAnswers: Barack Obama's mother is Ann Dunham. She was born on November 27, 1942 in Wichita, Kansas, to Stanley and Madelyn Dunham.

So? If Obama wasn't born in the states or our territories, doesn't matter where his mother was born.

You should never wrestle in the mud with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

So... The Dem party are a bunch of pigs, and they're muddy and dirty all the time, and they like it? Yeah, that sounds about right.

 

[CassinoChips]

Pop answer, doesn't matter, I'm sure Obama was born after April 30, 1900.

All right, then I'll explain, since you're either being blatantly difficult or just plain don't see it. Hawai'i became a state in 1959. Thus he was born on American soil, not in a current or former territory. Which leads to...

So? If Obama wasn't born in the states or our territories, doesn't matter where his mother was born.

... this. He was born in the states. But let's say he wasn't. Because she was born in Kansas to Americans, that makes her an American citizen. And as I have already said in this thread, that means it doesn't matter where Obama was born. He's a citizen.