Love argument (for V-day)

[Demon]

1). Nobody can define love. Semantics can't even do it, when you think about it, because one definition relies on another and so one...
2). If you cannot define it, you don't know what it is.
3). Then when one speaks of love, they don't know what they're talking about.
4). So, love may or may not exist, and can only exist outside of human perception.

 

[Davey Gaga]

1). Nobody can define love. Semantics can't even do it, when you think about it, because one definition relies on another and so one...
2). If you cannot define it, you don't know what it is.
3). Then when one speaks of love, they don't know what they're talking about.
4). So, love may or may not exist, and can only exist outside of human perception.

OR

1) Love means different things to everyone
2) You don't know what it is until it's there
3) It can only be spoken about once the individual finds their own love
4) So, love exists and is subjective.

It's not easy to define ANY emotion. Without looking at the internet, try and come up with clear, concise definitions of happiness, anger, sadness, guilt or even excitement - make sure they apply to every single person.

 

[Demon]

OR

1) Love means different things to everyone
2) You don't know what it is until it's there
3) It can only be spoken about once the individual finds their own love
4) So, love exists and is subjective.

Are you sure you want to take this argument? That logic can be used to argue that God exists or doesn't exist, etc. Emotions don't need a special case.

It's not easy to define ANY emotion. Without looking at the internet, try and come up with clear, concise definitions of happiness, anger, sadness, guilt or even excitement - make sure they apply to every single person.

Which doesn't disprove anything [that] I think.

 

[Shaissa]

Or...
if we really want to debate this

They say nothing last forever
They say Love is supose to be eternal/forever.
Conclusion... Love is nothing

 

[Demon]

Or...
if we really want to debate this

They say nothing last forever
They say Love is supose to be eternal/forever.
Conclusion... Love is nothing

Not necessarily. The problem is, if love exists and is eternal/forever, that means the statement "nothing lasts forever" is false instead.

While your argument tries to support mine, you need to say why "nothing" outweighs "love". Or are you simply agreeing with me that you cannot define love?

 

[Shaissa]

Not necessarily. The problem is, if love exists and is eternal/forever, that means the statement "nothing lasts forever" is false instead.

While your argument tries to support mine, you need to say why "nothing" outweighs "love". Or are you simply agreeing with me that you cannot define love?

Well I'll go into a little more detail

I think "love" is "nothing" cause people will never in a million years be able to understand why some people "find love", why some don't.
how "true love" works? how can you even put a deffinition on love?
Love your family? Friends? boyfriend/girlfriend? husband/wife? kids?
I mean theres so many different kinds of love that you can't even begin to describe love for every single situation or to every single person. Like you said Sol, you just can't define it into words.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

But that dosent mean Love is nothing. Love is diffrent for all of us. Its undefineable. but its there. Love is important. Love is needed. Love is a sense of joy and happiness. It gives us a sense of comfort. and its important because everyone needs that same feeling. Love is there. But its diffrent and Undefineable.

 

[Demon]

But that dosent mean Love is nothing. Love is diffrent for all of us. Its undefineable. but its there. Love is important. Love is needed. Love is a sense of joy and happiness. It gives us a sense of comfort. and its important because everyone needs that same feeling. Love is there. But its diffrent and Undefineable.

What, then, is love by that definition?

For example, what is the source of love? If love exists, but is different to everyone, surely it has a source? Otherwise, how can we say that this "different for everyone" thing is really love? This was covered by 4). in my argument when I said that if love exists, it exists outside of human perception.

 

[Shaissa]

I think I might have an easier way to question all this.

What is love?
How do you show you love someone?
Can you show you love someone?
Is love an inward emotion or an outward expression?

I mean I'm one of those people that believe that you can live alone and be truely happy mind you, doesn't mean I've giving up hope, I'm just saying it is possible.

And Connor if everyone "needs" to feel the same feeling how can love not be defined?

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Love is anything. There is a million or more ways to express love. and a Million ways to feel it. again Love has no definition because its diffrent for all of us. Love..is a complicated thing. But what we think of it all depends on beliefs. I belive Love is eternal. You may not. Ill say it again. There is no true Definition of love. It all depends on us. Love is a secret we can truly never find out untill we felt love. even then we Still might not understand what it is. But even so Love is there. as an undefineable Important feeling.

 

[Demon]

Love is anything.

I am love.

This post is love.

Pizza is love.

Debates are love.

Doesn't work, I'm sorry.

I belive Love is eternal.

How is that?

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Love is anything Because its always there. Should have elborated. and too put it simply When you love someone or thing Alot. More than Alot. iT dosent matter where you or they go. or what happens. You will always love them. Even if they die.

 

[Demon]

Love is anything Because its always there. Should have elborated. and too put it simply When you love someone or thing Alot. More than Alot. iT dosent matter where you or they go. or what happens. You will always love them. Even if they die.

That's not eternal to love someone if they die, though. You die and it's all over with.

Using this example will simply be even harder to do, because you'll have to argue points which are quite difficult to prove.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

I wanna know what loves is............i want you to show me.......

Love is made up of varying physiological, mental and emotional states.

Physical love can be defined by a particular feature that you are attracted, wide spread hips, certain type of facial features :eyes, nose, mouth hight or width of these features.
Hair length body type, there are many physical factors.

Mental can be based on the type of relationship you want be it long term or a fling, there desire to bare children with a particular person based on physical attraction can be swayed by the mental attitude you take towards a person. They way you want to treat and want to be treated in return are mental factors.

Emotional is probably the hardest to define because of its subjective and personalised nature, desire, contentment, longing, all of these are catalysts for an emotional repsonse. But if you want an example of what love is, one guys example use mine.

I went out to lunch yesterday with my Girlfriend there were hot chicks around and I was aware of them vaguely, My only concern was how Caitlin was feeling and of she was having fun, exclusive feelings and singularity are what I felt yesterday.

Love is an absolute, you do it with everything you have.

Lust is a feeling of rushed attraction spured on by need and selfish desire.

Love is eternal is a load of crap, thats just sentimental icing love is fleeting and hard to recognise in its true form, which is different for everyone, it is defined generally but its not a universal rule.

You need to experience to understand it, it defies logic and flies in the face of good judgement..............but it is the best feeling, and you struggle to keep it

 

[Davey Gaga]

Are you sure you want to take this argument? That logic can be used to argue that God exists or doesn't exist, etc. Emotions don't need a special case.

The fact of that matter is we cannot prove either. I have experienced love, so it exists to me. I have not experienced God, so he does not exist to me. I am not saying that God does not exist, I am saying that his existence is subjective - like love. Without getting more philosophical or religious, yes I'm taking this stand.

If you want to take up the "doesn't exist outside of perception" stand then anyone could be nitty gritty. Maybe your memories are all wrong but you perceive them to be right - does that mean they are real memories? They are to you but maybe not to others. Your memories are subjective, just like my experience with love.

I can see where you're trying to take this: "no one can prove love exists" but you could really do that with any concept - emotions, belief, memories, knowledge. Play devil's advocate enough and you've got yourself a "debate".

EDIT:

You need to experience to understand it, it defies logic

This.

 

[Shu]

Love is something in which can not be bound by simple subtexts and terms. It flows outside of the physiological and emotional make up of one self. Love is something that can make one weak in a sudden instance no matter who they are. Love is just a word, and misunderstood 98% of the time. Love is what drives people forward often times, when all else seems impossible. Love changes people forever. Love is the strongest word man has ever created.

Infatuation fades.

 

[Demon]

The fact of that matter is we cannot prove either. I have experienced love, so it exists to me. I have not experienced God, so he does not exist to me. I am not saying that God does not exist, I am saying that his existence is subjective - like love. Without getting more philosophical or religious, yes I'm taking this stand.

If you want to take up the "doesn't exist outside of perception" stand then anyone could be nitty gritty. Maybe your memories are all wrong but you perceive them to be right - does that mean they are real memories? They are to you but maybe not to others. Your memories are subjective, just like my experience with love.

I can see where you're trying to take this: "no one can prove love exists" but you could really do that with any concept - emotions, belief, memories, knowledge. Play devil's advocate enough and you've got yourself a "debate".

I actually have experienced what I consider to be love in the distant past, and it left me heartbroken.

However the reason why it left me heartbroken, is because I believed that love existed in the first place. I now think that love cannot (really) be defined, but is a mix of emotions which has little to do with what the overall intended definition is.

From a relationship standpoint, there is a reason why I believe love isn't real. Two people will get it off, so to speak, and they will probably have felt the most "love" they ever have and ever will that way. However this isn't love, this is attraction. Everything seems to center around attraction. Then when you look for the true definition of love, you have to go backward further and further from that point of pure romance until finally, you reach neutrality or hate, and you never find a definition that really resembles "love".

People can claim to know what "love" is, but they generally can't describe it. I can claim to know what God is, and give a description of it. So to me, it's more difficult to believe in subjective love than it is to believe in God.

 

[Aeris]

Love is something in which can not be bound by simple subtexts and terms. It flows outside of the physiological and emotional make up of one self. Love is something that can make one weak in a sudden instance no matter who they are. Love is just a word, and misunderstood 98% of the time. Love is what drives people forward often times, when all else seems impossible. Love changes people forever. Love is the strongest word man has ever created.

Infatuation fades.

You... are my hero.
I could not have put it better myself.

 

[Bambi]

Love is something in which can not be bound by simple subtexts and terms. It flows outside of the physiological and emotional make up of one self. Love is something that can make one weak in a sudden instance no matter who they are. Love is just a word, and misunderstood 98% of the time. Love is what drives people forward often times, when all else seems impossible. Love changes people forever. Love is the strongest word man has ever created.

Infatuation fades.

This

I certainly don't beleive a lot of people when they claim to be in love, for the most part it is infatuation and as my man Shoe says, that shit fades. I think love can be more subtle or more powerful and certainly more permanent. I think it can be anything really, and you know if you have experienced it. I don't think it's meant to make sense. If you only 'think' you have, then you haven't

I beleive in it.

If hate is a real emotion, and exists, why can't love? It's the opposite end of the scale, surely you can't have one without the other. If people are capable of hating so blindly, then they are capable of love too.