Miley Cyrus sings Smells Like Teen Spirit

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Well this is completely off topic but I will indulge it. First of all her father MADE miley famous using his connections. 2nd of all I read through a long interview they had with the father about this situation. The fact of the matter is she is an adult now....he needs to not to take the blame for her situation and they both have loads of cash so its not like they have too look out for each other. Her father will ALWAYS be more awesome than miley. He is a rock star, she is just another copy and cloned disney child Icon that has folded under pressure and is turning into a slutty icon who dresses and skimpy clothing. What does the disney show celebrity have any business covering a nirvana song in the first place. She has had controversial footage left and right and been going to clubs underage when her father forbid it. He states that he only wanted to be close to her daughter and be more like a family and that was one of the reasons he was on the show with her...its not like he needs the money. But being a celebrity turned her into another trampy looking drama queen. I don't care if your a teen or not...your still subject to the same drinking laws as other teens, and if she can't handle the pressure of being a superstar than quit. The world doesnt need another corrupted spoiled weak teen superstar.................and the song sucked. As she sings this song she is just signing herself more excuses to do dumb shit. She is trying to make her bad choices reflected upon as an act of rebelion or wildness....when its not that at all....it excuses.

I would also like to add that it is redundant to bring my personol beliefs into this subject. I may be smoking pot, but I am not marketing it to a million kids who are fans of hers. And this thread was about the quality of the song and I am not the only one in this group who does not like her yet you choose to debate with me using a example that I did not even mention. Did you consider I did not mention the pot accusations for the reasons that I do not care. I can dislike her for my own reasons and they have been spoken. There needs to be no more to this.

Your right it is not that bad...its friggen worse. I have always hated her and I knew she was gonna be one of those untalented pop chicks that moved from innocent kids stuff and become icon sluts and bad role models.

Did you know even her father refuses to be a part of her now? He says all he wanted was the family to be closer and she keeps falling into worse choices and situations with her real life off camera. He actually refuses to speak to her because he is tired of being blamed for her actions and says there is no controlling her.

Why does she have to ruin music I like? Its not even a female vocalist song so why doesnt she remake some other crappy song. She had the world handed to her through her father and other connections and now she is just pissing on all of those familys who raised their kids watching that television show who thought that she was a respectable icon. I know your probably thinking that she may have done some stupid things but nothing all that horrible yet...just wait...she will bloosem into a horrible weed

I responded to you personally because you made this about her personally. Everyone else commented on the QUALITY of the cover, you choose to call her a slut and a bad role model. I was just pointing out that she really hasn't done that much to deserve that labeling. And she didn't market pot to children, the paparazzi caught her smoking it. PAPARAZZI, you know those people who are always up celebrities asses?

The thing is, Billy Ray really wasn't all that famous when Miley tried out for Hannah Montana. Most people think of him as a one hit wonder. So if he used his connections to get her show, where are his connections now to get him a career? I mean I could see some of the people WHO came on the show probably came because they were his friends etc etc, but that hardly matters, because people of the age the show was aimed at aren't going to care about Dolly Parton or Brooke Shields, because they don't know who they are either.

And yes I believe I can hold her father partly responsible for the way she is now. You know parenting doesn't end when your kid hits 18 as much as people want to claim it does. You can't just play a part in making a monster, then wash your hands and blame the monster you made. He's taking zero responsibility for any of her actions, and instead of actually reaching out to her, DECIDED TO DO AN INTERVIEW for money. Does sound like a fatherly thing to do to you? Not to me. Does it sound like something someone would do if they were now riding on their daughters coat tails? FUCK YEAH.

But you're right, this is completely off topic, as was you calling her a talentless whore who's a bad role model and who you knew would go "bad" from the beginning. You can't make comments like that and expect no one to reply to them. Anyway, I'll the subject rest now that I've had my say.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

I responded to you personally because you made this about her personally. Everyone else commented on the QUALITY of the cover, you choose to call her a slut and a bad role model. I was just pointing out that she really hasn't done that much to deserve that labeling. And she didn't market pot to children, the paparazzi caught her smoking it. PAPARAZZI, you know those people who are always up celebrities asses?

The thing is, Billy Ray really wasn't all that famous when Miley tried out for Hannah Montana. Most people think of him as a one hit wonder. So if he used his connections to get her show, where are his connections now to get him a career? I mean I could see some of the people WHO came on the show probably came because they were his friends etc etc, but that hardly matters, because people of the age the show was aimed at aren't going to care about Dolly Parton or Brooke Shields, because they don't know who they are either.

And yes I believe I can hold her father partly responsible for the way she is now. You know parenting doesn't end when your kid hits 18 as much as people want to claim it does. You can't just play a part in making a monster, then wash your hands and blame the monster you made. He's taking zero responsibility for any of her actions, and instead of actually reaching out to her, DECIDED TO DO AN INTERVIEW for money. Does sound like a fatherly thing to do to you? Not to me. Does it sound like something someone would do if they were now riding on their daughters coat tails? FUCK YEAH.

But you're right, this is completely off topic, as was you calling her a talentless whore who's a bad role model and who you knew would go "bad" from the beginning. You can't make comments like that and expect no one to reply to them. Anyway, I'll the subject rest now that I've had my say.

Well like I said before I never complained about her smoking pot so this is a mute topic.

Also I am willing to bet that she becomes just a good of a role model as lindsey lohan or Britney spears....

And being a father is not the only thing, she has to be a daughter too. Its not like that women listens to a single word her father tells her because why?....she is rich, has her own home, and figures she does not need him. He can not force her to be a good daughter.

The interview netted him almost no money at all

The only thing I blame her father for is bringing her into the evil celebrity world...if he wanted a family setup than he should have kept her away from it....but she let it all go to her head. Truth be told her father even tried to get her to quit for a while.

And at the begining he was taking responsibility for her but she would not just stay home or spend any time with him, and people kept coming to him after she messed up. This is not a normal daughter father situation where the father needs to provide a roof and funding for his daughter man. This is the situation where the daughter can do anything she wants and the father can not do shit about it. He can not control her. So why should he take responsibility. It takes 2 to tango.

And in everyone of my posts I stated this was a horrible cover. And I attacked her personally because in my opinion she is just another weak corruptable Icon that will go in the opposite direction from Family too provacative, its all about the money and she does not care where it comes from. Here here!

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Well like I said before I never complained about her smoking pot so this is a mute topic.

Also I am willing to bet that she becomes just a good of a role model as lindsey lohan or Britney spears....

And being a father is not the only thing, she has to be a daughter too. Its not like that women listens to a single word her father tells her because why?....she is rich, has her own home, and figures she does not need him. He can not force her to be a good daughter.

The interview netted him almost no money at all

The only thing I blame her father for is bringing her into the evil celebrity world...if he wanted a family setup than he should have kept her away from it....but she let it all go to her head. Truth be told her father even tried to get her to quit for a while.

And at the begining he was taking responsibility for her but she would not just stay home or spend any time with him, and people kept coming to him after she messed up. This is not a normal daughter father situation where the father needs to provide a roof and funding for his daughter man. This is the situation where the daughter can do anything she wants and the father can not do shit about it. He can not control her. So why should he take responsibility. It takes 2 to tango.

And in everyone of my posts I stated this was a horrible cover. And I attacked her personally because in my opinion she is just another weak corruptable Icon that will go in the opposite direction from Family too provacative, its all about the money and she does not care where it comes from. Here here!

Honestly, I hardly thing it's right to condemn someone when you've only heard one side of the story. And I have to respect Miley more than Billy Ray because, that I've seen, she didn't give interviews about how ruined her family was and blame him for. Also, I'm pretty sure his wife took Miley's side? Surely that hints that there's more to the story than just what he told.

In the end, we know next to nothing about their actual private lives. We only know the image they project, and what they say. For all we know, that could have been a cheap publicity stunt.

As for Miley as a role model, I don't think she's a bad one. Nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes. It's how we handle those mistakes that makes us good or bad people, and I believe it's too early to call her either way. Perfection isn't a good role model, it's not good to hold yourself to impossible standards.

But I mostly agree about the cover, but I'd like to point out that you're watching a fan cam, which always sound horrible, no matter who's singing. So there has to be a bit of allowance made for that.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

Honestly, I hardly thing it's right to condemn someone when you've only heard one side of the story. And I have to respect Miley more than Billy Ray because, that I've seen, she didn't give interviews about how ruined her family was and blame him for. Also, I'm pretty sure his wife took Miley's side? Surely that hints that there's more to the story than just what he told.

In the end, we know next to nothing about their actual private lives. We only know the image they project, and what they say. For all we know, that could have been a cheap publicity stunt.

As for Miley as a role model, I don't think she's a bad one. Nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes. It's how we handle those mistakes that makes us good or bad people, and I believe it's too early to call her either way. Perfection isn't a good role model, it's not good to hold yourself to impossible standards.

But I mostly agree about the cover, but I'd like to point out that you're watching a fan cam, which always sound horrible, no matter who's singing. So there has to be a bit of allowance made for that.

Listen man I can respect the fact that you like her. I can promise you that I am not going to sugar coat my opinions about her, I think I hate her more than almost any other celebrity other than lady gaga because I dont think she has any credible talent. And time will tell what she becomes. Its my opinion and I will not change it. I can understand why you like her because you are about the same age as my little sister (18) who adored that show growing up and I have seen it on the TV a thousand times and from the start I wanted to punch her in the gut. I think we are done talking about her because I represented my opinions of her and they will be left unchanged. As you have yours.

also man before you start talking about family and sides I think you need to at least read ONE of the interviews because they have all given them and you can compare yourself. Debateing based on the research of the person your debating with is pointless because you have not researched any credible sources yourself.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Listen man I can respect the fact that you like her. I can promise you that I am not going to sugar coat my opinions about her, I think I hate her more than almost any other celebrity other than lady gaga because I dont think she has any credible talent. And time will tell what she becomes. Its my opinion and I will not change it. I can understand why you like her because you are about the same age as my little sister (18) who adored that show growing up and I have seen it on the TV a thousand times and from the start I wanted to punch her in the gut. I think we are done talking about her because I represented my opinions of her and they will be left unchanged. As you have yours.

also man before you start talking about family and sides I think you need to at least read ONE of the interviews because they have all given them and you can compare yourself. Debateing based on the research of the person your debating with is pointless because you have not researched any credible sources yourself.

To be perfectly blunt, I don't like Miley Cyrus. I also don't like people who think that because they think someone's untalented, they can call them a whore, or a slut. She can sing decently, and she cowrites her music. Just because you don't like the music she makes doesn't make her untalented. I don't care for most of it myself, but that doesn't mean that she has no talent.

I'm glad you mention Lady Gaga. I dislike almost everything she says and does, but she makes decent music, and can certainly sing, just search Youtube for some of her lives. Yet again, just because you don't like the type of music, or the music they make, doesn't make them untalented. It means they aren't making things that are aimed at your taste.

People now days have no in between, and it's not just in music. If you don't like a book, the author must be untalented. People can't just not like something, they have to blame someone. I'm sure I dislike a great majority of the music that some people listen to on these forums. Off the top of my head I can think of Muse, who have like one good song in my opinion. The rest are just repeats and stupid. Doesn't mean they aren't talented, just means I dislike them.

As to credible sources, we are talking about a person, not a scientific matter. There are no credible sources. We could both go read through all the interviews and articles we wanted, and we would find a hundred different stories. Unless one of is personally involved in the fight, or the family, we can't have credible resources. That's my point.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

To be perfectly blunt, I don't like Miley Cyrus. I also don't like people who think that because they think someone's untalented, they can call them a whore, or a slut. She can sing decently, and she cowrites her music. Just because you don't like the music she makes doesn't make her untalented. I don't care for most of it myself, but that doesn't mean that she has no talent.

I'm glad you mention Lady Gaga. I dislike almost everything she says and does, but she makes decent music, and can certainly sing, just search Youtube for some of her lives. Yet again, just because you don't like the type of music, or the music they make, doesn't make them untalented. It means they aren't making things that are aimed at your taste.

People now days have no in between, and it's not just in music. If you don't like a book, the author must be untalented. People can't just not like something, they have to blame someone. I'm sure I dislike a great majority of the music that some people listen to on these forums. Off the top of my head I can think of Muse, who have like one good song in my opinion. The rest are just repeats and stupid. Doesn't mean they aren't talented, just means I dislike them.

As to credible sources, we are talking about a person, not a scientific matter. There are no credible sources. We could both go read through all the interviews and articles we wanted, and we would find a hundred different stories. Unless one of is personally involved in the fight, or the family, we can't have credible resources. That's my point.

Well if thats the case than you dont like me. I reserve the right to hate any music for any reason I want. Music if my hobby, I have seen 30 concerts including, Floyed, john cugar, bob seigar, 311, cake, Metallica, modest mouse, the eagles, coldplay, green day, the killers and many other bands that are wel known and many that are not. I also play 3 different insturments.

I would like to inform you that I saw Lady Gaga performed In San Diego and I attended. And I will let you know that she can not sing well live. Her songs feature the same basic beats and are modified to sound better than they are. I have had enough Disco sticks, poker faces, and bad romances to last me more than a lifetime.

I dislike miley for both reasons that she is just another easily corrupted celebrity and in my own personal opinion she has no talent. My opinion will not change and even if it did consists just for one of the reasons I have the right to dislike her for my own reasons. I dont know why you keep trying to justify it to me when it really is a mute subject. I am not seeking the approval of anyone.

 

[Noize]

*Chases after something seemingly invisible*

Wait, what? Oh, yeah sorry, i was too busy chasing after the 4 minutes and the piece of myself that tried to run away after listening to that clip.

I don't like her or her music full stop, she has a bad singing voice.

(This is just my opinion, don't take it to heart, Miley fans.)

 

[Balthier of Archades]

It is my opinion that Miley Cyrus, should she sing, should stick to country music. She just doesn't have the voice for anything else. I'm not a very big fan of Nirvana, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is one of their songs I do enjoy, as simple as it is.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

Well if thats the case than you dont like me. I reserve the right to hate any music for any reason I want. Music if my hobby, I have seen 30 concerts including, Floyed, john cugar, bob seigar, 311, cake, Metallica, modest mouse, the eagles, coldplay, green day, the killers and many other bands that are wel known and many that are not. I also play 3 different insturments.

I would like to inform you that I saw Lady Gaga performed In San Diego and I attended. And I will let you know that she can not sing well live. Her songs feature the same basic beats and are modified to sound better than they are. I have had enough Disco sticks, poker faces, and bad romances to last me more than a lifetime.

I dislike miley for both reasons that she is just another easily corrupted celebrity and in my own personal opinion she has no talent. My opinion will not change and even if it did consists just for one of the reasons I have the right to dislike her for my own reasons. I dont know why you keep trying to justify it to me when it really is a mute subject. I am not seeking the approval of anyone.

Honestly, I could care less how many concerts you've been to, who they are, or even if you say you've seen Gaga live. I've heard from many people I know who actually like the type of music she sings say she sounds quite fine live as well as seeing sing live several times myself. I like Green Day, but I find they sound horrible live. Then again, that's just my opinion.

I play an instrument myself, and I've even composed original music before. That doesn't make my opinion anything more than an opinion. Gaga herself plays piano. That doesn't make any of our opinions any more than that.

We all have the right to dislike people, we don't have the right to call random people we don't know sluts. We could have a whole discussion about the double standard that makes it okay to say that, when many of the bands you mention made up of males have probably had more sex than she even imagines having. Disliking her is one thing, hating her music is one thing, calling her a slut and a bad role model has nothing to do with her music.

Hell, even the bad role model is acceptable, but to call someone a slut, someone you don't know better than what you've read on a page, is unacceptable. What is a slut nowadays? She dresses a certain way, she must be a whore? I mean I'm positive that you aren't privy to her bedroom habits, so why comment on them?

And for that matter, how is dressing a certain way make her a bad role model? She isn't pregnant, there's no sex tape, at worst there's a shot of her giving one of her old male friends a lap dance, and everyone does wild things sometimes. The difference is she has hers plastered on a web or magazine page for a million people to see. It's the price of fame, and I imagine it's a hard one to pay.

I'm not justifying anything, and I don't expect you to change your opinion. I'm just pointing out that calling someone YOU DON'T KNOW a slut isn't really an informed opinion. And that just because you don't like something, doesn't mean we all have to think it's bad. Just because you think something's great, I don't have to. Too many people nowadays have this view where their opinion is their fact, and it just doesn't work that way.

 

[blakstang98]

Alright, enough with the debating about Miley's life and whether or not she's a bad influence or not, blah blah blah. Lets get back on topic, please? Thank you.

 

[Roland_Deschain]

We all have the right to dislike people, we don't have the right to call random people we don't know sluts. We could have a whole discussion about the double standard that makes it okay to say that, when many of the bands you mention made up of males have probably had more sex than she even imagines having. Disliking her is one thing, hating her music is one thing, calling her a slut and a bad role model has nothing to do with her music.

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I called her slutty, and said that she would turn into a slut (in my opinion). And yes actually I do have the right to call someone that. I am not the only person who has called somebody they don't know a slut because they dressed like one.

And like I said, if she does not want the provacative attention than there is two things she can quit doing. she can stop underage partys, having sex, lap dances, dressing like a skank. Or she can quit being a celebrity and live like a normal teen. All of the heat she gets is from her own actions and because she cant control her self.

I will also ONE MORE TIME add that I think she is an aweful singer, and that is the topic.

 

[Ayumi Hamasaki]

We all have the right to dislike people, we don't have the right to call random people we don't know sluts. We could have a whole discussion about the double standard that makes it okay to say that, when many of the bands you mention made up of males have probably had more sex than she even imagines having. Disliking her is one thing, hating her music is one thing, calling her a slut and a bad role model has nothing to do with her music.

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I called her slutty, and said that she would turn into a slut (in my opinion). And yes actually I do have the right to call someone that. I am not the only person who has called somebody they don't know a slut because they dressed like one.

And like I said, if she does not want the provacative attention than there is two things she can quit doing. she can stop underage partys, having sex, lap dances, dressing like a skank. Or she can quit being a celebrity and live like a normal teen. All of the heat she gets is from her own actions and because she cant control her self.

I will also ONE MORE TIME add that I think she is an aweful singer, and that is the topic.

This is my last post in this topic.

Yes you're not the first person to call someone that, that doesn't make it right does it? I loathe people who are so sexist that they have to call any female act they dislike a whore or a slut. She can't sing in your opinoin that's great. That doesn't make her a whore.

The way she dresses doesn't either. Have you been outside in the last decade? Every girl dresses that way pretty much. Doesn't mean they're having sex. And like I said you don't know her sex life, unless you're a lot more famous than you let on. You know only what people who want TO SELL ISSUES tell you about her. That's not a very good way to get to know someone.

I love how even in this day and age, there is still a double standard in music. Boys her age aren't scrutinized nearly as hard, and certainly aren't called whores for having sex. Nope, it's cool for them to do it.

 

[Ilyena]

If you two want to argue, take it to PMs. Quit derailing the thread topic. Thanks.

 

[Squid]

I don't think she did THAT bad a job on the song... (it was a bad song to begin with imho) it doesn't sound great but it doesn't sound like absolute ass like that Friday song.

I don't like where Miley is taking herself lately, She went from cute little kid on Hannah Montana and then straight into skanky Music Video's singing about being a ho.

There wasn't really any transitioning in between, she was in too much of a hurry to grow up which is sad and makes me feel that show business is just proving how harmful it is to kids and teenagers.

but yeah, that song cover was meh.

Btw...

1000th Post

 

[Roland_Deschain]

I don't like where Miley is taking herself lately, She went from cute little kid on Hannah Montana and then straight into skanky Music Video's singing about being a ho.

You see thats what I am talking about. The main reason I could never like her. I just can not take her seriously anymore. She is choosing this ugly criticized direction first on purpose. Let her reap what she sews and fail at making rock music.