Racism for Children

It really is pointless cause that other one which you say is in white only is not. You can trade the cottone or the whismicot for the same evolution and vice versa in white. So these pokemone are not sole exclusive to the game. You may only be able to CATCH one. But can still trade for the other via a in game trainer trade. So the conjecture about it only being in black and the title being black is pointless.
 
You know what I meant by Black/White only... I never stated they were sole exclusive...
It's the versions they come in and the connection between BLACK and Whimsicott. Please try to come up with a better argument...

 
H0MO$3XUAL said:
You know what I meant by Black/White only... I never stated they were sole exclusive...
It's the versions they come in and the connection between BLACK and Whimsicott. Please try to come up with a better argument...
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No I did not know what you meant by only. As only implies within the context you used as sole exclusive. Both can be gotten in both games, so the only case does not hold. So my argument still stands and does not need to be "better."
 
Really? Because I dont think you have proven anything by saying they can be traded over, in fact, that might make it worse considering a 'black man' can be traded over to a 'WHITE' game and to be used as a slave, so thank you for helping me draw another connection (however far fetched it may be)... Your explanation told me nothing other than that they can be caught and traded... I explained as to what I meant when I said Black/White (ONLY)...
 
H0MO$3XUAL said:
Really? Because I dont think you have proven anything by saying they can be traded over, in fact, that might make it worse considering a 'black man' can be traded over to a 'WHITE' game and to be used as a slave, so thank you for helping me draw another connection (however far fetched it may be)... Your explanation told me nothing other than that they can be caught and traded... I explained as to what I meant when I said Black/White (ONLY)...
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As I said "in game" trainer only. So your so called me proving you something is wrong. Your'e so called "black man" is being traded in the "BLACK" game. Please stop making such forlorn leaps in these connections. And for the whole caught and traded umm that's the whole concept behind pokemon.
 
H0MO$3XUAL said:

This may be true, but what about a game like Earthbound and the controversy with the Blues Brothers? That was a Japanese game but it still got a lot of people riled up over here in America...
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Earthbound was intended to have media related things in the game on purpose to help sales in America, where RPG's were selling poorly during that time. Lots of other musical references are in there as well, such as the Beatles :)
 
LOL WUT!? :rofl:

From a "BLACK" to a "WHITE" game to be used as a slave on the "WHITE" game. Also known as slave trade. Black: Africa White: America
Blacks came from Africa over to America to be used as slaves. Sure it's a stretch but it makes sense and I dont see you being able to prove me wrong otherwise... It's all perception.

And the whole concept of pokemon is to catch and trade them!?
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I didn't say the black to a white game. Said black to black, you should learn to read.
 
Thats not what I was getting at. Your original statement was that they can be traded over through games, from BLACK TO WHITE which is how Wimsicott is obtained in white, so I tried to make that apparent, but you completely missed the point and instead switched it around to say Wimsicott can also be traded to Black version which, in reality, is beside the point. You should learn to come up with a better argument than that, I never said that you didnt say BLACK to BLACK you insinuated that thats what I was referring to when in fact, it wasnt. This argument with you is pointless and I don't wish it to go on any further, as we have established everything that needed to be put to attention in this argument.
 
H0MO$3XUAL said:
Thats not what I was getting at. Your original statement was that they can be traded over through games, from BLACK TO WHITE which is how Wimsicott is obtained in white, so I tried to make that apparent, but you completely missed the point and instead switched it around to say Wimsicott can also be traded to Black version which, in reality, is beside the point. You should learn to come up with a better argument than that, I never said that you didnt say BLACK to BLACK you insinuated that thats what I was referring to when in fact, it wasnt. This argument with you is pointless and I don't wish it to go on any further, as we have established everything that needed to be put to attention in this argument.
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Well you did miss one thing. As someone who drives by cotton fields on his way to work every day, I can tell you that stem of a cotton plant is woody, and therefore brown. So these cotton-esque pokemanz probably have nothing to do with "skin" color, and everything to do with the color of the actual cotton plant to which they are supposedly related.
 
Insanity Wolf said:
Well you did miss one thing. As someone who drives by cotton fields on his way to work every day, I can tell you that stem of a cotton plant is woody, and therefore brown. So these cotton-esque pokemanz probably have nothing to do with "skin" color, and everything to do with the color of the actual cotton plant to which they are supposedly related.
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Yes, I see the point you are making. It's all about interpretation though really. Like people have said before (and I have admitted to) I'm probably looking too much into it. But it's an interesting discussion, is it not? The way that such little things can lead to huge allegations and accusations about race and a deeper meaning?
It PROBABLY is a coinkedink but it makes someone think a little more and draw those lines and connect them themselves...

 
To be honest I prefer the fluffy black sheep over the flower. The flower looks rather dull and plain. The fluffy sheep however is cute and adorable and something that you would want to hug and hang around like a best friend. The flower however will most likely to do a cliche flower poison dance and just be a total bore.

I think it's how you look at it. One person might see a racical stereotype and one person might see a dull flower and a fluffy sheep she wishes that was real so she could have one for a pet and give a big huge huggy.

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Oh come on, next we'll be hearing that Dragonball Z promotes 'Satanism'. :gasp:

If you really want to get into racism being directed for children, you really should have watched the older version of the 'Noddy' cartoon and the whole 'Gollies' incident. Or better yet... Really old Japanese computer games and what they percieved to be the 'black' stereotype.
 
The Welsh Paddy said:
Oh come on, next we'll be hearing that Dragonball Z promotes 'Satanism'. :gasp:
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lol no that makes people think they can change their haircolor by simply screaming for about a half hour 8D

But back to the subject, Homo said earlier about trading and I had to facepalm at that, I mean these aren't People, they're Animals, in the games its to either have them as pets or use them in battle. Theres no hidden context as to Slavery unless you think the pokemon themselves are the slaves which would be about the only truth here.

Your just reading way to freaking much into a simple thing, its been disproved already throughout the whole thread from various facts members have put up its just a cotton poke and a flower poke.

Also sorry if I sound harsh rofl I'm quite blunt with my opinions sometimes
 
You can make racism, sexism, agism, religionism, or any -ism out of any game you play. This is just another "reaching" for something. It's not even interesting. The reason? Due to it was made in the east I reiterate. If it was made in Mississippi or Alabama or anything "still" a moderately racist state in the US, then yes I could see maybe a little resemblance.

It doesn't matter how we perceive it. It was manufactured East and that's that. Trading? That's even reaching more.

It's like Football, unless you have indisputable evidence that there was some type of racism, I would tell you, don't jump to conclusions about trivial matters.
 
The differentiations presented on both characters are ethnical, so it's not racism. They're not even humans, so it doesn't make sense.
 
Shu said:
You can make racism, sexism, agism, religionism, or any -ism out of any game you play. This is just another "reaching" for something. It's not even interesting. The reason? Due to it was made in the east I reiterate. If it was made in Mississippi or Alabama or anything "still" a moderately racist state in the US, then yes I could see maybe a little resemblance.

It doesn't matter how we perceive it. It was manufactured East and that's that. Trading? That's even reaching more.

It's like Football, unless you have indisputable evidence that there was some type of racism, I would tell you, don't jump to conclusions about trivial matters.
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So, by this logic, Liberty Island (where you obtain Victini) could NEVER be a reference to the statue of libery because this game was manufactured in the East? Description of Victini: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/494.shtml
That could also NEVER be a reference to America using an atomic bomb on Japan to obtain victory?
There are SO many references in videogames that can be easily overlooked but just as easily be proven as fact.
These are all speculations, neither right nor wrong.
 
H0MO$3XUAL said:

So, by this logic, Liberty Island (where you obtain Victini) could NEVER be a reference to the statue of libery because this game was manufactured in the East? Description of Victini: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/494.shtml
That could also NEVER be a reference to America using an atomic bomb on Japan to obtain victory?
There are SO many references in videogames that can be easily overlooked but just as easily be proven as fact.
These are all speculations, neither right nor wrong.
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Read that again mate it says Liberty "GARDEN" not Island
 
The same could be said about American games. They had to take Iraqi soldiers out of some of the Medal of Honor / Call of Duty games, because they believed it would encroach on the whole nation of Islam. I mean we have games, movies, music and everything else already being tip toed around. It's hard to pin point anything and it spins out to more conspiracy than truth these days. The only safety net is making games centered on Aliens and such.

Last thing we need is more Political Correctness in my opinion. You can't brain wash kids to believe there is no racism, and then all the sudden when they get out of school whether it be college or earlier, they find out that racism is so very much alive. Especially in other countries, where stuff is in the majority considered "communism". It's like trying to brain wash kids that Christianity is the only true religion. It's crazy.

It's the reason Looney Tunes is hardly aired, and what episodes are aired are definitely approved prior.
 
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