Religion and the Law.

yes i agree with this wholeheartedly and that is what i have been saying all this thread

now what is this about the bible saying all of this stuff i know it says that in the old testament it says stuff about slavery but not in the new testament it does not say anything about slavery

also, about torturing and killing people it never says in the bible "kill the infidels" i believe that is in another religion next time you want to go off topic and accuse the bible of evil things have some evidence
 
phantasmor said:
yes i agree with this wholeheartedly and that is what i have been saying all this thread

now what is this about the bible saying all of this stuff i know it says that in the old testament it says stuff about slavery but not in the new testament it does not say anything about slavery
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I'm sorry, but if you're going to ignore the old testament because it was "horrible" and say only the new testament holds any sort of moral credibility, you have just contradicted yourself. Because Jesus clearly states in the new testament not to ignore the old testament. I hope I don't have to provide the quote for that because that just kills any sort of credibility of any knowledge you have of the new testament. If you don't know, look it up yourself. It's not hard to find.

also, about torturing and killing people it never says in the bible "kill the infidels" i believe that is in another religion next time you want to go off topic and accuse the bible of evil things have some evidence
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Unfortunately for you, it's there in plain sight.

2 Chronicles 15:13[/B said:
] That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
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you keep pointing out all of these things in the old testament but you are forgetting that what Jesus said is not the same as what the old testament said for example in the new testament Jesus says to serve others and that [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"God shows personal favoritism to no man" (Galatians 2:6) it does not say that slavery is right in any part of the new testament that slavery is right it just says that it happens in the old testament it talks about IF you get a slave how you should treat them but in the new testament it says to follow the law
Romans 13:1-2[/FONT] 1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


also you are taking that last verse out of context



2 Chronicles 15:9-13


9And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance, when they saw that the LORD his God was with him.
10So they gathered themselves together at Jerusalem in the third month, in the fifteenth year of the reign of Asa.
11And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep.
12And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;
13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.



it was a local law of the land of Jerusalem it does not say that you should go around killing people that do not believe
 
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If the old testament wasn't be considered, why is it being published and still being preached? I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to consider it obsolete, incorrect, etc. and toss it out?
 
no not all of it because Jesus preached from it but there are parts of it that Jesus preached against

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phantasmor said:
you keep pointing out all of these things in the old testament but you are forgetting that what Jesus said is not the same as what the old testament said for example in the new testament Jesus says to serve others and that [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"God shows personal favoritism to no man" (Galatians 2:6) it does not say that slavery is right in any part of the new testament that slavery is right it just says that it happens in the old testament it talks about IF you get a slave how you should treat them but in the new testament it says to follow the law
Romans 13:1-2[/FONT] 1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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That wasn't my point though; Jesus doesn't have to state explicitly what's in the old testament, only not to ignore it. Which implies that he would advocate any and all the laws in the old testament. If he doesn't specifically say that slavery is wrong, then whatever is mentioned in the old testament about slavery holds.

Slavery is just an example though; you'd have to prove your point by showing that all the other horrible and terrible things god has done and the terrible things he makes other people do aren't being advocated in the new testament by Jesus saying not to ignore the old testament.

also you are taking that last verse out of context



2 Chronicles 15:9-13


9And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance, when they saw that the LORD his God was with him.
10So they gathered themselves together at Jerusalem in the third month, in the fifteenth year of the reign of Asa.
11And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep.
12And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;
13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.



it was a local law of the land of Jerusalem it does not say that you should go around killing people that do not believe
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And apparently, god doesn't have a problem with that because he goes around killing non-believers as well, and telling people to shun them and condemn them. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't agree with that, which is just as terrible. The fact that they are even to be shunned and not even be allowed to practice their religion is religious intolerance, and conflicts with modern society's rules.
 
like i pointed out before the bible says to follow the rules of society back then slavery was fact of life the bible never endorses nor condemns slavery it only gives guidelines on how to treat slaves IF you get one which is the same thing i said before and i do not like repeating myself

also yes he did agree with the law saying to kill people who did not believe back then but he also said to follow the rules of the land like i pointed out and he went around killing non believers himself because they were boastfully disobeying him and him being jealous did not like that

it also says "Thou shall not kill" but the bible endorses capital punishment meaning it is not on the individual but society to kill
 
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