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From the article the guy pulled from:
"People like Marilynn Gray-Raine. The 64-year-old Danville artist, who survived breast cancer, has purchased health insurance for herself for decades. She watched her Anthem Blue Cross monthly premiums rise from $317 in 2005 to $1,298 in 2013. But she found out last week from the Covered California site that her payments will drop to about $795 a month."
"Health care inflation costs routinely increase at least 4 percent annually, said Ken Wood, a senior adviser for Covered California. Those increases, he noted, are due to an aging population and the rising costs of new medical technology and drugs, among other factors."
I'm willing to pay a little more if it means that more people across the board have access to affordable health care.
"People like Marilynn Gray-Raine. The 64-year-old Danville artist, who survived breast cancer, has purchased health insurance for herself for decades. She watched her Anthem Blue Cross monthly premiums rise from $317 in 2005 to $1,298 in 2013. But she found out last week from the Covered California site that her payments will drop to about $795 a month."
"Health care inflation costs routinely increase at least 4 percent annually, said Ken Wood, a senior adviser for Covered California. Those increases, he noted, are due to an aging population and the rising costs of new medical technology and drugs, among other factors."
I'm willing to pay a little more if it means that more people across the board have access to affordable health care.
This is really just a matter of voter ignorance. It's this problem that honestly makes me wish there was an intelligence test attached to the voter registration every year to weed out the people who quite frankly, are too fucking stupid to know what the hell is going on. The simple fact is, this was socialized healthcare; the money has to come from somewhere; the shitheads in government aren't making any money (Democrats or Republicans); obviously this is passed on to the taxpayer. Most of the American people are simply too stupid to understand this concept.
On a side note, after reading this, I discounted it immediately. Why? Because I know for a fact that socialized systems work. Not completely socialized, of course. But I'll point to Denmark and Sweden. I've been to Sweden personally and seen the system run when my cousin was ill during my stay. I've been researching Denmark as a possible relocation after I get my degrees since it conforms to my desires. Both of who have socialized healthcare that runs great, better than American healthcare. So don't tell me that socialism doesn't work at all, ignorant, piece of shit journalist. You're just another ignorant shit who runs his mouth too much.
On another side note, I'll still never vote Republican so long as I'm in this country - they've fucked up far too much for me to ever trust them again.
On a side note, after reading this, I discounted it immediately. Why? Because I know for a fact that socialized systems work. Not completely socialized, of course. But I'll point to Denmark and Sweden. I've been to Sweden personally and seen the system run when my cousin was ill during my stay. I've been researching Denmark as a possible relocation after I get my degrees since it conforms to my desires. Both of who have socialized healthcare that runs great, better than American healthcare. So don't tell me that socialism doesn't work at all, ignorant, piece of shit journalist. You're just another ignorant shit who runs his mouth too much.
On another side note, I'll still never vote Republican so long as I'm in this country - they've fucked up far too much for me to ever trust them again.
The ACA isn't socialized health care. The American government doesn't subsidize health care in any way. It's all private industry. What the extra cost comes from is those private industries having to redistribute their plans and screw the healthy people more instead of being able to screw sick people (preexisting conditions) like they had in the past. As in it's coming from the health care company, not from the government. There are government regulations being put on health care, just like there are government regulations placed on virtually every other business industry in the country. We're still miles from anywhere close to socialized health care.
Before you crow about "intelligence tests" being a prerequisite for voting, you might want to make sure you know what you're talking about.
Before you crow about "intelligence tests" being a prerequisite for voting, you might want to make sure you know what you're talking about.
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First off, just to make it clear who's side I'm on, both the democrat and republican parties can suq madiq™.
With that aside, the healthcare bill would work if people were willing to let it. That's just my personal opinion, everything against it just seems like excuses laboring under a facade of patriotism.
With that aside, the healthcare bill would work if people were willing to let it. That's just my personal opinion, everything against it just seems like excuses laboring under a facade of patriotism.
I don't really get how this works. Can someone fill me in a bit? Is the idea that people who can afford health insurance pay for the people who can't afford health insurance?
The U.S. has privatized health care. Businesses run it. Businesses are inherently greedy, so they've been jacking up health care costs for decades to account for inflation and an aging populace. Insurance bills are very high, and there's a significant portion of the population that cannot afford health care if their employer does not offer a benefits package (worker pays a portion of their insurance every paycheck). What the ACA does is limit some of the conditions that the health care companies can charge a person for, and it also mandates that everyone purchase some form of health care. There are also tax breaks to offset some of the more expensive options. In some cases, health care costs are rising, in some cases, health care costs are decreasing. In all cases, more people have better access to affordable health care. You don't ever pay for somebody else's care directly.
It's tough to explain fully.
It's tough to explain fully.
That sounds so much more complicated than our system over here. Where everyone pays taxes and part of our taxes goes towards National Insurance, so we all get 'free' health care because of that. People who earn more money pay more taxes.
This is 'Murrika. We don't take kindly to universal health care because we trust in the kindness and goodheartedness of filthy rich CEOs. And anything that smells like socialism will have a tough time finding a foothold.
But I agree, the UK system would be an improvement over ours in most cases.
But I agree, the UK system would be an improvement over ours in most cases.
I suppose at this stage it'd be impossible to change to a system like that, because then all the private health insurances would be out of business. That would be a huge blow in tax income for the government I'm guessing.
Yeah, they would lose that revenue. But they would also make up some of that for not having to foot the bill when people without insurance have to receive hospital care. But you're right, our system isn't going away for a long time. Especially when the extremist conservatives won't let us fix it.
But the thing is, what about those people who could barely afford health care as it is, and now their rates are rising again? I have to say I am not very politically educated, but I think I am moreso than the average person my age. (Maybe by a teeny bit 
) What also bothers me is that you HAVE to buy healthcare. If you don't you pay a fee. I am paying...to not have healthcare? Many (if not most) of the very poor still can't afford this new healthcare rate. I know my uncle's rates are rising, and he is veeeery pissed because he is going through some tough times at his job and doesn't have a lot of money as it is. So while on the grand scale of how it all works economically, I can't say I have too strong of an opinion because I think it might be easily disproved. But I know down here, where it is actually affecting people, it ain't going well. And isn't that all that matters? How it is actually affecting people? I didn't like Obamacare from the start, and now that it has been implemented I dislike it even more.
) What also bothers me is that you HAVE to buy healthcare. If you don't you pay a fee. I am paying...to not have healthcare? Many (if not most) of the very poor still can't afford this new healthcare rate. I know my uncle's rates are rising, and he is veeeery pissed because he is going through some tough times at his job and doesn't have a lot of money as it is. So while on the grand scale of how it all works economically, I can't say I have too strong of an opinion because I think it might be easily disproved. But I know down here, where it is actually affecting people, it ain't going well. And isn't that all that matters? How it is actually affecting people? I didn't like Obamacare from the start, and now that it has been implemented I dislike it even more.
Health care costs have risen, on average, 4% per year over the last 20 or so years. Those rate hikes probably have nothing to do with the ACA. They might be slightly higher because health care companies are no longer able to screw the sick, so healthy people are seeing slight increases in some states.
You don't HAVE to buy health care. Just like you don't HAVE to buy car insurance. But drive without it and you might get fined/arrested.
Wait until next April/May, when he gets a tax credit. He might change his tune then. Also, if money is that tight, he most likely qualifies for some of the rate incentives/reduction. He should look into that.
Economically, people who can't afford health care cost the taxpayer significantly when they go to the ER. Economically, if you have access to preventative health care, you prevent yourself from having thousands of dollars worth of medical bills.
Depending on where "down here" is, that largely depends on whether your state legislature is actually allowing much of the ACA to be implemented. In states where Republican-controlled (and The Extremist Agenda party-backed) legislatures run the show, they disallowed all of the benefits. But the health care companies don't just operate in one state, so if it's a big health care company, they've spread their costs along to allllllll their victims.
In some states, the states where it has been allowed to work, rates are dropping. More people have access to affordable health care.
Polls are about 50/50, and trending in favor of the ACA.