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There's been a few changes with the reputation system in order to rationalize the numbers, particularly the users' rep power. As you all know, we had over a million rep power as years went by. Numbers got out of control due to that the initial setup wasn't properly configured then. One negative rep from a user to a new registered member would show a red bar under the new users' postbit, so to make things fair and reasonable, numeric changes were implemented recently. Besides, might as well work with numbers that's easy to understand, yes?

This actually won't affect most of the current users' reputation status. However, the rep power has decreased significantly. There's now two ways to raise rep power: x amount of posts (in our case every 500 posts = 1 point of rep power) and register date factor (365 days = 1 point of rep power). Don't mind lowering these numbers a bit (this would increase our rep power a bit as well)... instead of 500 posts, we can go with 300 posts or instead of 365 days, we can cut down in half. We'll wait for feedback, but for the time being, this is the current setup.

After doing a few tests, we found out that when handing out negative reps to others, the negative points would be about half of your rep power. For example, I have a rep power of 25. If I were to give a negative rep to someone, the amount would be -12. So going with these new numbers, the reputation level were also altered to complement the new changes.

Here's the rundown for reputation level (not to be confused with rep power):

**Updated**


-1000 - User is a NORG
-500 - User deserves Quistis' whip
-200 - User is a Chicken Wuss
0 - User is unknown
10 (default for new registered users) - User is a SeeD candidate
100 - User is a SeeD Cadet
200 - User is SeeD Rank 1
300 - User is SeeD Rank 1
500 - User is SeeD Rank 1
700 - User is SeeD Rank 15
1000 - User is SeeD Rank 20
1500 - User is SeeD Rank 25
3000 - User is SeeD Rank 30
5000 - User is Class A SeeD


vBulletin's default (which is similar to ours, except for the points):

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We were hoping to create our own unique moniker for each reputation level that users are associated with, but as I stated, this won't really affect current users much (except the low rep power), mostly the new ones. As of now, we're using the vbulletin default but this might change soon.

Also, as some of you probably already know, you can give five reps daily. We can keep it as is, or change that to three reps daily. Minimizing it to three may encourage a more positive way of using the rep system overall, depending how you look at it. Users would be more careful and put more thought with who they hand out reps to (both positive and negative), which could bring about a more fun way for handing out reps. Think of it as Candy Canes for All during Christmas time. Or not. =P Up to you guys. Don't mind keeping the five daily.

**Rep comments will be unaffected, so you don't have to worry about any of that disappearing.

We hope that these new changes will bring a more structured rep system and encourage users to spread the love.

Questions? Ask away.


***If you would like a reputation level reset (will not affect rep comments you've received so far), please post here or PM one of the admins. Your rep level (not rep power) will reset to the default number 10. The advantage to a reputation level reset is that you can participate in the SeeD Ranking Reward. As you gain SeeD Rep level, you can ask for a Gil reward every month. Only available to new members from hereon and those who decide to reset their rep level.

Reputation Rules & Regulations: http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/threads/60118-Reputation-System-Rules-amp-Regulations

Reputation Reward: http://www.finalfantasyforums.net/threads/60113-Reputation-Reward


 
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I'm more fond of the idea of 300 posts, really, since it's only 1. 1 per year is perfectly fine, but so is 2 per year, so I'm indifferent about the duration. One question, though, you mentioned one negrep would be deducing half of your rep power, what about a positive rep? Is it the same amount as a negative?

About deducing the amount to 3 per day; I feel as though people use the rep system too little already thanks to the like and thank system. It feels like rep is used exclusively for negative purposes because those two stand out there. I remember the good ol' days checking my rep daily to see if I got any positive, but frankly since the like and thank system, it's something that I typically ignore, perhaps we should give some incentive for giving out positive rep?
 
Taking it down to three may be a good idea then, if some type of incentive is given. Still even at five a day alot of people don't use it so I can see it going either way to be honest. The new way is very slow now so it might very well be as you said make people give thought as to how it's given out.
 
Can we not turn this in to something? Thank you.

Personally, I think it's a good revise. It keeps the current messages but puts a realistic twist on the reputation system. =]
 
Captain Squee said:
One question, though, you mentioned one negrep would be deducing half of your rep power, what about a positive rep? Is it the same amount as a negative?
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The positive rep is pretty much what your Rep Power is. So when you hand out a positive rep, it'll be 9 points. Negative would be half of that.
 
Captain Squee said:
It feels like rep is used exclusively for negative purposes because those two stand out there. I remember the good ol' days checking my rep daily to see if I got any positive, but frankly since the like and thank system, it's something that I typically ignore, perhaps we should give some incentive for giving out positive rep?
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he's right. all people use rep for nowadays is negative rep sprees!
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Captain Squee said:
perhaps we should give some incentive for giving out positive rep?
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idk bout anyone else but writing a good post always got me positive rep :hmmm:
 
Oh no, you got two negative rep from two negative posts one week ago :britt: How dare I be doing that? I give out plenty of positive rep, too :monster:. 2 days is one hell of a spree!

It's not about giving positive rep, it's about choosing to give that instead of giving a like or a thanks, really.

Also, naming and shaming :mokken:
 
People, could you all for once take a positive thread and leave it for what it is. This bickering is getting old. Quit it, take it to the staff team, stay on topic all, and thank you.
 
I was just defending myself, really, but you're right, back on topic.

Since Mits answered my question with positive rep being = to your rep power, I'm actually all for this. It basically brings little change but scales it down to look more...Well, scaled properly. Standard vets had tens of millions of rep power, including myself, and I'm notorious for disappearing for years at a time. It's change, as far as I'm concerned, is incentive to post since posts increase rep, and that's something that's nice to have.
 
So after browsing around the ACP, found out that we can actually manually edit a user's reputation level (not rep power) by editing the account, without affecting previous comments/reps that users have received. Since I was hoping that we'd all start on a clean slate, esp due to the ridiculous rep power before, we can give members that option to start with a rep of 10 (default for new users). We'd just have to edit your account and change the rep level to 10. We'll only do this once.

This would especially benefit those who are deep in the negative (-879985938) due to that any positive reps received now wouldn't tip the scale. So I highly recommend that you guys ask for a rep level reset since this is the only way to fairly start things over.

Also, went with a SeeD ranking system for reputations since it follows closely to the spirit of reps and such.



-1000 - User is a NORG
-500 - User deserves Quistis' whip.
-200 - User is a Chicken Wuss
0 - User is unknown
10 - User is a SeeD candidate
100 - User is a SeeD Cadet
200 - User is SeeD Rank 1
300 - User is SeeD Rank 5
500 - User is SeeD Rank 10
700 - User is SeeD Rank 15
1000 - User is SeeD Rank 20
1500 - User is SeeD Rank 25
3000 - User is SeeD Rank 30
5000 - User is Class A SeeD


With this setup, we would actually have something to look forward to since progression level has more clarity than the standard vB rep level (e.g. how do we know that 'user is just really nice' is actually higher level than 'user is a jewel in the rough?)

We can even attach a 'Salary' based on SeeD ranking to follow the theme in the game. I'm not sure how we'd execute this yet without putting too much work on our end. :hmmm: Monthly salary, maybe? You guys would have to keep track of the SeeD rank and just ask us every month (if you can remember), and we'll give out Gil depending on SeeD rank -- that is, if you decide to reset your rep level. ;)

That's the only easy and fair way I can think of, but feel free to toss some suggestions.

So I'm now a SeeD candidate. :) Who's with me?
 
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I'd like to keep mine put. :D Lol @ the chicken wuss. :D
 
Allready at ten so I don't need a reset. but thanks for the offer.
 
ohh it was so high too :sad3:

Also can very nicely done...guess this makes rep a little bit more important again, rather than just liking stuff all the time :elmo:
 
If we can change the salary to Euros, then I'll be the most positive person on this site.

Rainbows and sunshine will shoot from my arse and mouth, should it come to that!

Though... I like this change.

SeeDy seed, yep.
 
My mistake then, but if possible would still like to stay where I am please.
 
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