Information Reputation System

We never actually took the ability to give Dislike - it's disabled as default, and we'd prefer if it remains that way. As for negative rep, I'm indifferent either way. It's up to people not to abuse the negative rep system, so if people can use the system properly, then we have no problems. :)
 
Display Reputation Given mod has been installed. :) Thanks @Captain Squee for this suggestion. You can find the rep comments left to others under the Received list. It's one hell of a scroll job, but you can just hit CTRL+F and search for 'Given' to make things easier.

I've set the max list to 200 (same number as Reps received). Been chuckling the past five minutes reading the comments I've sent to people.

Also, along with this mod came the 'Reputation Delete Time'. You have five minutes to delete your own comment left to a user should you want that option.
 
I have wanted this for so long, and disappointingly most of my pos rep has no comment :damon:

Thanks for looking into it!
 
Personally, I just use Neg Reps to troll-tell greenyxi when he's being a racist asshat to me.

I mean, it's not my fault I cannot say the "Th" sound properly! It's due to an accent!!

So, don't hold "DURTY DREE " against me!

:cry: It's not my fault I'm a leprechaun!!!!!

Anyway, I see no problem with the rep system. Neg-Repping gives you a chance to disagree and comment on a post without having to do up said post. With the level of detail that goes into posts about how horrid the change in Cloud's hair between VII and Advent Children (and how worse it would be when it's about an actual issue that people give a shit about), I would more inclined to neg-rep then reply with my own similar post, which would then be argued to the ground by a case of "You're wrong because you're wrong". Neg repping is so much easier and more frank to do.

In the same way, positive repping gives positive reinforcement without having to post a post saying "You make complete and utter sense, good sir/madam".

As for the positive rewarding system: That's the whole point. In the land of positive reinforcement, you don't get rewards for being an asshole, you know?

Unless it's "The biggest Asshole" award. That always goes to Big Casino either way, but you know what I'm trying to say.

Though, a dislike button? Nah. The main point I like about negative repping is the comment you can add with it. Disliking could encase a whole number of things between "I don't agree" to "You're a cunt, go run into traffic" in the same way that liking could encase between "Nice post" to "Please love me, oh please? I love you".

Good stuff, Super-special-staff-team!
 
I understand your point there, McGee. That's something that came to mind before we made a decision with the negative rep, but in the grand scheme of things, a user (especially someone who's new) really shouldn't be receiving a negative reputation due to conflict of opinion, especially given the way that we've redesigned the rep system - to make use of it in a more fun and positive way while also taking care to build a good reputation. (Though it also shouldn't be taken personally). Overall though, there's too many grey areas with it as I've already stated a few times, so some clear rules and regulations that seems fair as much as possible for both parties would be best.
 
CassinoChips said:
If you just want to complain, do it somewhere else.
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I want to complain. Where can I do that?

I dislike how you've effectively eliminated negative rep. So now you can only neg rep someone if they break one of FFFaru's many rules, in that case the offending post is often deleted and the heavily monitoring group impose upon the offending member an infraction. Thus rendering neg rep almost impossible to give and useless even when given.

Which makes FFFaru like some kind of shithouse school, one that awards prizes for participating and eliminates any interaction between members that isn't seen by you the heavily monitoring group as positive. People will no longer be able to disagree with each other soon.
If Calibabes makes some ridiculous post to the effect that what if Obamacare had been around in ancient Israel Jesus would have been aborted but if all the Israelites had Uzis then Jesus would never have been crucified and the Islams could not have done the 9/11 false flag attack, I should be able to neg rep without having to fully engage with the post. Of course Cali would never say anything so foolish.

Also there are a multitude of sins that fall short of an infraction but that users may find objectionable. Tedius Zanarkando for example, a lot of his posts were not breaking the myriad rules of FFFaru, so according to the current regime, people would not be able to neg rep him.

If you are so worried about new members having their rep ruined (what new members) simply disable negative rep for new members, rather than force everyone to conform to your fascist play nice or don't play at all new rep policy.
 
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I want to complain. Where can I do that?

I dislike how you've effectively eliminated negative rep. So now you can only neg rep someone if they break one of FFFaru's many rules, in that case the offending post is often deleted and the heavily monitoring group impose upon the offending member an infraction.
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You dislike many things we've enforced here. What else is new? :)

Pretty much, yes. And generally just being rude/unpleasant in a thread, etc.

Which makes FFFaru like some kind of awesome school, one that awards prizes for participating
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Bingo. I'm glad we agree.

If you are so worried about new members having their rep ruined (what new members) simply disable negative rep for new members, rather than force everyone to conform to your fascist play nice or don't play at all new rep policy.
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Disabling negative rep for new members won't cut it, due to that they would still be able to receive negative reputations (and possibly trollish / rude comments along with the rep for simply saying they like Tifa).

And you're pretty much dead on. Play nice, or don't say anything stupid at all.

Anything else?
 
I'm inclined to agree with Hal. Why even bother having a rep system, then? Disable it as a whole and just use the like system if you aren't going to utilize it.
 
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Alright, just going to throw in my two cents here... whatever the fuck that's worth these days. Trolling other members by giving them neg-rep was the BEES FUCKING KNEES back in the day. There was this one little shit that I hated so much that I negrepped into oblivion. It's a very little work with a high payout (to see how mad they would get) and otherwise proved to be entertaining. I was part of the problem. On one hand, you can't defend negrep because it's the classic "guns don't kill people, people do" argument. Yet, on the other, you can't bash it because other people are going to look at you weird for appearing to be upset over a number. You also can't get rid of the system because people are a bit sentimental about the messages they sent and received from other members in the past. Which is, to be fair, a legit point.

Personally, I don't think shit should be done about it. The rep system works fine as is, even if liking and thanking posts have kind of made is obsolete to me. (It's kind of like having two different parts to an engine doing the same thing where only one is needed... or like a gallbladder, take your pick.) People can get resets if they want, and it works out. Those that don't want them aren't forced to do it, so it's fair. However, if you honestly think for a second that getting rid of rep is going to get rid of trolling, you're a damned moron. What remains true with the "guns don't kill people, people do" argument also remains true with trolling. If you take away their tools to do so, trolls will find another way to troll.

It's like that fucking dude from Jurassic Park: "Trolls will find a way".

TL;DR: I don't fucking know, I rambled. Don't fix what ain't broke, quit worrying about trolls as they're an inevitability no matter where you go. Just be awesome to each other.

EDIT: But, seriously, the having two functions that do the same thing is really, really, pointless.
 
You should take no pride in pissing people off for no reason, definitely not on a Final Fantasy Forum. People are here to enjoy themselves, give their views on video games they love, 'escape' that responsibility they have in real life, and you're going to intentionally ruin that for them?

While I disagreed in a way to take the negative out, Mitsuki has made very valid points with what she said about the reputation system. This is why the dislike function was brought up by me. They're not the same systems.

Positive rep system: Praise members who contribute to the community.
Negative rep sytem: Get on members that try to ruin the community on purpose, and shouldn't be here in the first place, or break rules.

Like post system: I agree with you.
Dislike post system: I disagree with you.

It's different, and that's what I'm personally for. However, considering we're keeping the neg rep system to disagree with someone, you're damn right it should be hammered down on there's no need to be an asshole anywhere on this forum. There's site rules, reputation system, private messages, user notes, visitor messages, they're all part of this site.

Behave yourself or get out and stop ruining it for people who want to have a good time.
 
I think he was talking about more than himself.

The way I use negrep is when someone posts something that is utter nonsense, reveals a lack in understanding (or a refusal), rudeness, or general negativity due to coming off as thinking they are a superior morally or any other way, then they get negative rep. The reputation should be just that, if someone posts a good, solid argumentative post that has a strong backing and they are polite, their reputation with me is positive, so I rep them accordingly. However, if someone is rude, doesn't ask when they don't understand, or refuses to understand the opposing argument, even if they are on the same side as me, they are being negative while not breaking rules, so I will deduce their reputation. I feel as though the Reputation should be directly impacted with just that, their reputation, not weather or not they agree with the masses. I'm also known to negrep people who try to change the topic, again upholding the idea of reputation over the idea of agreeing or disagreeing.

If someone disagrees but doesn't want to make a post, then don't say anything. I'm fine with getting negrep for disagreeing, but others aren't, and I'm against giving out negrep for disagreeing and instead, as said, use it for when things are just negative overall. I'm glad we don't have to negrep only when rules are broken, but I wasn't going to say anything. Negative rep on rule breaking isn't going to stop them from doing it at all, and it might provoke them.

I think part of this is also how to handle negative rep. I negrep friends just as much as my enemies using the same system. If you are rude, mean, and doing any of the above stated reasons, I'm going to call you out on that, friend or foe. People in the past that I thought were reasonable, decent people had taken negrep given to them by me and blown it way out of proportion. Yes, I can be trigger happy with it, but if I feel I was wrong then I will go back and give a positive. That's rare, but I have done it before. It's my way of telling someone they are being very negative towards myself and/or others, regardless of broken rules.
 
Just to clarify since there seems to be a misunderstanding, we are aware that trolling/flaming will inevitably still be around either way. It's a bit odd to think we were trying to accomplish a full stop on trolling/flaming. But by having clear guidelines and rules, it may deter some members from abusing the system (due to that privilege would be taken away), thus minimizing the work for me and Tia. I've never actually had to actively moderate the reputation system before (save some reports here and there - some weren't even breaking rules but things still gets reported) but it would seem there's no way around it after all. So rules were applied, and that's pretty much that.
 
I think he was talking about more than himself.
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I was part of the problem.
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Pretty much, yeah. Keep in mind this was ages ago. I was basically using myself as an example on what "the problem" was.

The way I use negrep is when someone posts something that is utter nonsense, reveals a lack in understanding (or a refusal), rudeness, or general negativity due to coming off as thinking they are a superior morally or any other way, then they get negative rep.
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Which, to be honest, seems as if what it should be used for.

Positive rep system: Praise members who contribute to the community.
Negative rep sytem: Get on members that try to ruin the community on purpose, and shouldn't be here in the first place, or break rules.

Like post system: I agree with you.
Dislike post system: I disagree with you.
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What you interpret is not what others are interpreting.

Positive rep system: Praise/agree with members
Negative rep system: Chastise/disagree with

Like: Agree/form of praise
dislike: disagree/form of chastising

While it's different, it's very, very, similar, and that's why some people, myself included, just don't see the point in having both.

It's different, and that's what I'm personally for. However, considering we're keeping the neg rep system to disagree with someone, you're damn right it should be hammered down on there's no need to be an asshole anywhere on this forum. There's site rules, reputation system, private messages, user notes, visitor messages, they're all part of this site.
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While I agree with this, the sad thing is, is not everyone will. Or they say they will, and then they'll turn around and use it wrong just to be a dick anyway. It's kind of how shit works, and there's not really one can do to change that.

Behave yourself or get out and stop ruining it for people who want to have a good time.
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And this will never happen for the same exact reasons on why you just can't force people to get along. You're always going to have people that don't play by the rules, you're always going to have people that just don't like each other. The internet is next to no different than real life when it comes to people being pompous asses for no reason. The people on the internet just no longer have a filter. We're not all going to be carebears.

You should take no pride in pissing people off for no reason, definitely not on a Final Fantasy Forum.
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You really forgot who the hell I was, didn't you? Pissing people off for no reason was just what I did. Now I'm just a cranky-ass correctional officer. Imagine dat shit. But as I pointed out, I was part of the problem, really. Not that I regret what I did, I was just a different dude back then. For the most part, anyway. I'm still an ass.


Just to clarify since there seems to be a misunderstanding, we are aware that trolling/flaming will inevitably still be around either way. It's a bit odd to think we were trying to accomplish a full stop on trolling/flaming.
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I saw a couple of other people in this thread mention it, I was essentially replying to them and got a little off-topic/long winded.

But by having clear guidelines and rules, it may deter some members from abusing the system (due to that privilege would be taken away), thus minimizing the work for me and Tia. I've never actually had to actively moderate the reputation system before (save some reports here and there - some weren't even breaking rules but things still gets reported) but it would seem there's no way around it after all. So rules were applied, and that's pretty much that.
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One can only hope, anyway. What I wanted to get across in my post is that more often than not the rep system can be a bit more of a hassle than it's worth for reasons that I used to attribute too back in the day.
 
No, I didn't, still know who you are. =]

I realize, just like Mits posted, we're still going to have trolls around no matter what, but with clear rules on systems that were really 'left out' before, there's a lot that can be done about it, which I'm personally all for. Trolls are going to be everywhere, but it'll be nice if we can have a small forum and minimize said trolls, that's not an unrealistic thought. It's very doable.

Also, how people view the examples I gave, is their opinion. That was the example I gave for how it "would" have to be used had the admins went ahead and closed off neg rep from "disagreeing" with people.

I'm personally for a middle ground. I don't think negative should be taken out and just be left with positive, because of the realistic thought that people will find different ways to lash out.
 
Six said:
No, I didn't, still know who you are. =]
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That's because I'm a sly-ass motherfucker that's impossible to forget, yo. :mokken:

I'm personally for a middle ground. I don't think negative should be taken out and just be left with positive, because of the realistic thought that people will find different ways to lash out.
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Besides what Mits has already done with it, I don't think the rep system should be messed around with too much anymore unless one were getting rid of it altogether. A few people wouldn't mind seeing that happen, and while I do agree that the rep/like system are nearly the same, I honestly can't say that I would be anything other than indifferent to see it go. It really does seem to bring on more trouble than it's worth, to be honest. However, removing negs seems a bit silly. You really can't have one without the other. If getting rid of half of it, you might as well get rid of it all. However, it seems fairly obvious that the rep system isn't going anywhere.
 
Generally, I've never been a fan of vBulletin's reputation system, primarily due to the possibility of what's been mentioned: flaming, trolling, negativity, abuse, etc. It can be a headache after a while.

For this place, even if rep is deeply rooted into the community, I don't know if many (including myself) would be too affected either way. Personally, I've never thought about using it here. :lew:
 
This is one hell of a necro :hmmm:

Is what I was going to say before I checked to see this was a sticky :monster:
 
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