Rinoa Ultimecia Theory

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

i have recently heard about this theory and my mind was blown by it made final fantasy 8 a masterpiece in story in my oppinion and theres to much evidence pointing to it an i believe in it, please leave you'r oppinion on this , dissprove or approve of this theory?

 

[Starships]

Sorry SE has mentioned a while ago that the R = U theory is not true and never was intended. There is still the Squall is Dead theory if you interested though. And the FF 8 is FF3 in the future theory too.

 

[Omega_Beast]

You just crushed their dream storyline xD

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

Sorry SE has mentioned a while ago that the R = U theory is not true and never was intended. There is still the Squall is Dead theory if you interested though. And the FF 8 is FF3 in the future theory too.

it doesn't matter what Square Penix said i dont care about those a$$ holes i want to know YOU'R oppinion not some rip off company that ruined the same series this site is based on

 

[C i d]

Actually I don't think squaresoft neither square Enix directly disprove the theory.

Though I heard in the official Ultimania (which was first published in 1999, so it's NOT by SE) that sorceresses have normal lifespan. So ultimecia couldn't possibly be Rinoa unless Rinoa somehow got frozen or travel in time.

To me, along with the squall is dead theory, I would think that it's intentionally left ambiguous for us to decide. It's like the ending of Inception, the ending of FFVII (before the continuations in the compilation were released), etc.

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

Actually I don't think squaresoft neither square Enix directly disprove the theory.

Though I heard in the official Ultimania (which was first published in 1999, so it's NOT by SE) that sorceresses have normal lifespan. So ultimecia couldn't possibly be Rinoa unless Rinoa somehow got frozen or travel in time.

To me, along with the squall is dead theory, I would think that it's intentionally left ambiguous for us to decide. It's like the ending of Inception, the ending of FFVII (before the continuations in the compilation were released), etc.

what about adels seal stasis pod? she could go there, or ultimecia MIGHT be squall and rinoas doughter its a possibility

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

im still standing by that squall is griever in GF form, and was killed by ultimecia, a woman i think is rinoa's and squalls doughter corrupt

 

[Starships]

it doesn't matter what Square Penix said i dont care about those a$$ holes i want to know YOU'R oppinion not some rip off company that ruined the same series this site is based on

Okay.

Well I like the idea and think that it makes alot of sense. Rinoa always wanted the future to stand still and just be with Squall forever. She had support, but it was only really from Squall. The world wanted her trapped in space.

So in a way it makes sense that she looses Squall and goes mad. But the ending makes more sense if R = U too.

 

[Sheechiibii]

I've read about it and though I thought it was interesting, I don't think it's true. Mostly because it would butcher Rinoa's character so badly. She was always the positive to Squall's negative. Also, why would she turn him into a monster (Griever)? And what she says at the end wouldn't make sense because she talks about childhood and such and the game was never about Rinoa's childhood, she had a normal childhood. If she were Rinoa wouldn't she have spoken about love or something instead?

Also, the fact that Sorceresses don't live longer lives, yes she could have used the pod but why would she? Wouldn't she just make a start trying to distort time as soon as Squall was dead? Also, at the end when they travelled to Ultimecia's castle they were in time compression. Two Rinoa's could not exist together in a time compressed world, there could only be one, thus Rinoa can't be Ultimecia because they were both there at the end as separate beings, showing that they are not one entity but two.

I think Ultimecea being Squall and Rinoa's daughter is more likely to be true...but that's just because we don't know anything about her at all, we don't even know if they have a daughter. But they might and she might be Ultimecia. But Sorceress power doesn't travel through genes, it passes on when a sorceress dies so its just as likely that Ultimecia could be anybody else as well.

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[Soulcorruptor]

I've read about it and though I thought it was interesting, I don't think it's true. Mostly because it would butcher Rinoa's character so badly. She was always the positive to Squall's negative. Also, why would she turn him into a monster (Griever)? And what she says at the end wouldn't make sense because she talks about childhood and such and the game was never about Rinoa's childhood, she had a normal childhood. If she were Rinoa wouldn't she have spoken about love or something instead?

Also, the fact that Sorceresses don't live longer lives, yes she could have used the pod but why would she? Wouldn't she just make a start trying to distort time as soon as Squall was dead? Also, at the end when they travelled to Ultimecia's castle they were in time compression. Two Rinoa's could not exist together in a time compressed world, there could only be one, thus Rinoa can't be Ultimecia because they were both there at the end as separate beings, showing that they are not one entity but two.

I think Ultimecea being Squall and Rinoa's daughter is more likely to be true...but that's just because we don't know anything about her at all, we don't even know if they have a daughter. But they might and she might be Ultimecia. But Sorceress power doesn't travel through genes, it passes on when a sorceress dies so its just as likely that Ultimecia could be anybody else as well.

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I do pretty much agree with what is said here. Even though there are many different theories about the sorceress life span. Let's just say that they did live longer, unless Squall would have did some tragic death like being killed to defend her from being captured again, I don't see it coming. Esthar only made one attempt and after a verbal whiplash from his team he went to save her, now that the threat of the sorceress was eliminated from the future I doubt they would try again.

Next let's look at the inheritance of the sorceress powers. It is passed on when they die. We see very clearly who Ultemica passes her powers onto. We know full well who passes on those powers. With the other powers Rinoa receives this creates a temporal anonymity with the time compression. There would be no way that Adel's powers could exist in two people at the same time which would be herself and Edea then. Remember Edea transfers to Rinoa and so does Adel. Then Ultemica transfers to Edea at the end. They have to gotten their powers somewhere else besides eachother, otherwise the collective power on a whole should have gotten stronger each time Rinoa gets Adel's powers.

Squall being the GF, really I don't think so. That would mean going on the theory that R=U which I am saying is untrue, would mean Rinoa turned him into a monster. Seeing as how she wanted Squall always by her side in the end turning him into a summon able monster is truly an opposite of that.

Now as for Ultemica being there kid, this is the only one that can hold the most weight. Though I doubt Rinoa would want their kid to go trough anywhere near the strife that she did upon being found out as a sorceress. The childhood part fits, something could have happened where Rinoa was attacked again for being one and Squall died defending her. Later or right after she died, and her kid was the closet one to inherit the powers. This also explains the Griever ring and why she summoned the GF. Before her father did she shall him as a powerful and fearful warrior, and Griever was her manifestation of that image except one this time that would not be beaten so easily.

Right now the only thing that is undetermined is why she continuously rants SeeD over and over. Was it SeeD that might of attacked them or was it that they maybe failed to protect them. With Squall all but being a leader for them maybe SeeD warred with it self when some of them wanted Rinoa. Or it could be a complete 180 and it was yet even another faction and Squall and SeeD were protecting her. Either way makes sense for the child would see them as a weakness and want them removed, thinking her father would have been stronger if not a SeeD.

Well right now this is all I can think of for this argument, given some more time might think of more and add to it.

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

I do pretty much agree with what is said here. Even though there are many different theories about the sorceress life span. Let's just say that they did live longer, unless Squall would have did some tragic death like being killed to defend her from being captured again, I don't see it coming. Esthar only made one attempt and after a verbal whiplash from his team he went to save her, now that the threat of the sorceress was eliminated from the future I doubt they would try again.

Next let's look at the inheritance of the sorceress powers. It is passed on when they die. We see very clearly who Ultemica passes her powers onto. We know full well who passes on those powers. With the other powers Rinoa receives this creates a temporal anonymity with the time compression. There would be no way that Adel's powers could exist in two people at the same time which would be herself and Edea then. Remember Edea transfers to Rinoa and so does Adel. Then Ultemica transfers to Edea at the end. They have to gotten their powers somewhere else besides eachother, otherwise the collective power on a whole should have gotten stronger each time Rinoa gets Adel's powers.

Squall being the GF, really I don't think so. That would mean going on the theory that R=U which I am saying is untrue, would mean Rinoa turned him into a monster. Seeing as how she wanted Squall always by her side in the end turning him into a summon able monster is truly an opposite of that.

Now as for Ultemica being there kid, this is the only one that can hold the most weight. Though I doubt Rinoa would want their kid to go trough anywhere near the strife that she did upon being found out as a sorceress. The childhood part fits, something could have happened where Rinoa was attacked again for being one and Squall died defending her. Later or right after she died, and her kid was the closet one to inherit the powers. This also explains the Griever ring and why she summoned the GF. Before her father did she shall him as a powerful and fearful warrior, and Griever was her manifestation of that image except one this time that would not be beaten so easily.

Right now the only thing that is undetermined is why she continuously rants SeeD over and over. Was it SeeD that might of attacked them or was it that they maybe failed to protect them. With Squall all but being a leader for them maybe SeeD warred with it self when some of them wanted Rinoa. Or it could be a complete 180 and it was yet even another faction and Squall and SeeD were protecting her. Either way makes sense for the child would see them as a weakness and want them removed, thinking her father would have been stronger if not a SeeD.

Well right now this is all I can think of for this argument, given some more time might think of more and add to it.

i agree but could it be wrong to say that ultimecia does look a LOT like rinoa while having eyes similar collour or squalls is infacta a decendant of squall maybe his grand grand grand grandoughter that would explain why she is in the future and maybe why she is going back to the past

 

[Sheechiibii]

i agree but could it be wrong to say that ultimecia does look a LOT like rinoa while having eyes similar collour or squalls is infacta a decendant of squall maybe his grand grand grand grandoughter that would explain why she is in the future and maybe why she is going back to the past

She was going back to the past to take control of the sorceresses so that she could gain their powers and compress time wasn't she? In all reality, Ultemicia could really be anybody at all, saying she could be a descendant of Squall is as accurate as saying she could be a descendant of Seifer, we have no way of knowing. It's interesting to think about, but nothing in the game actually leads to one conclusion or another really.


Also...I don't really think she looks much like Rinoa (their eyes are a totally different shape and colour)

Also, I don't think she looks much of anything like Squall either so her being their daughter isn't something I'd really believe given there's nothing really to go on.

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[Omega_Beast]

Squaresoft always made it clear and concise about the ending of games. They have never really left anything open to interpretation. Look at the confusion in FFVII, yet that was cleared up and rounded off so that you couldnt really see it any other way. Some people clearly have some lovely and creative minds, which is amazing. But I truly believe that Squaresoft wouldnt have left a game so open to interpretation. Its just way too confusing of a theory.

Yes, there was a time during the game where I thought Griever was Squall in GF form, and that Rinoa was Ultimecia. But that was just part of the confusion the game presented to you. But then it all became clear in the end. Playing FF sure has got peoples imaginations running away hehe

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

She was going back to the past to take control of the sorceresses so that she could gain their powers and compress time wasn't she? In all reality, Ultemicia could really be anybody at all, saying she could be a descendant of Squall is as accurate as saying she could be a descendant of Seifer, we have no way of knowing. It's interesting to think about, but nothing in the game actually leads to one conclusion or another really.


Also...I don't really think she looks much like Rinoa (their eyes are a totally different shape and colour)

Also, I don't think she looks much of anything like Squall either so her being their daughter isn't something I'd really believe given there's nothing really to go on.

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yes buut there is a specific shot of FMV ultimecia that does kind of look like both

 

[Rinoa-Ultimecia true]

okay i do kind of give up on this theory, but the one that seems to be the most true is that squall DIES on the end of disc 1 mainly the squalls dead theory and from disc 2 onward every thing he is seeing and experiencing is life flashing through his eyes, if this were true than ultimecia doesn't even exist

 

[Sheechiibii]

yes buut there is a specific shot of FMV ultimecia that does kind of look like both

That's the other shot of her, only stretched. I didn't use that one because I couldn't find a shot of Rinoa in the same position. Trust me, I spent over an hour trailing through a video on youtube of all the fmv sequences in FFVIII trying to find a shot of Rinoa that matched one of the two Ultimecia shots, it's pretty much impossible, Rinoa never looks down or has her head in the same position. The one people use to merge is pretty inaccurate it's the one where she's hypnotised in Deling city where her eyes are half closed and her heads to the side.

okay i do kind of give up on this theory, but the one that seems to be the most true is that squall DIES on the end of disc 1 mainly the squalls dead theory and from disc 2 onward every thing he is seeing and experiencing is life flashing through his eyes, if this were true than ultimecia doesn't even exist

That one is even more crazy. I could just as easily say Squall died at the beggining of the game when Seifer slashed him across the face could I not? There's no argument for that is there?

If Squall was dead how is he there at the end of the game? Please someone explain that phenominon. Explain the ending if Squall is dead (after the whole time compression madness), how is he lying there unconsious with Rinoa holding him if he's dead? If it were all a wierd dream then why is Squall still there?

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