Rock vs. Rap

Gary Hobson said:
As a matter of fact I do listen to rock a lot. I never said that rock is completely devoid of suggestive lyrics, which it is not. But most of the time rock never suggests actually doing drugs. BTW, Godsmack is a band and not a song. Both times that a metal band was taken to court, it was the same lawyer, and both times he lost the case because he obviously had delusions that rock contained evil messages.
Oh, and here are some rap lyrics that aren't advertising drugs, but gang violence. It's Lil' Wayne's "A Milli".
I'm a venereal disease like a menstrual bleed
Through the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind,
Cause I don't write shit cause I ain't got time,
Cause my seconds, minutes, hours go to the all mighty dolla,
And the all mighty power of dat ch-ch-ch-ch-chopper,
Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Father motha fuck a copper,
Got tha maserati dancin on the bridge pussy poppin,
Tell the coppers... ha ha ha ha you can't catch em, you can't stop em,
I go by them goon rules,
If you can't beat em, then you pop em,
You can't man em, then you mop em,
You can't stand em, then you drop em,
You pop em cause we pop em like Orville Redenbacher,

You can't look at those lyrics and say they don't tell you to "pop" members of a police force. The members of the bands you mentioned all turned to drugs because of the stress and tension of performing, never being able to go home, and never really making a friend.
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No Godsmack is a song, by Alice in Chains, the band, named themselves after that song.
From that same album dirt, 5 songs were about Heroin and Heroin use. Also Smack = Heroin, so they actively advertise possibly the most dangerous drug through their name.
xlolx members of bands don't turn to drugs because of stress and tension, it's just pure hedonism.

Btw <3 to whoever mentioned Sage Francis
 
This is getting kind of ridiculous. The thread is not about which genre promotes more drugs, sex, violence, etc. it's about what you like. Not that I'm trying to be a mod but seriously. I'm even going to go against myself now...

Both genres pretty much promote all that stuff the same. Old rock was more about emotions so "I killed a guy-just to watch him die" I doubt he ever really killed someone. But rap artists, I bet most of them are involved in some kind of gang activity.

My rambling 2 cents but whatever.
 
Good point. Gotta love the nerve and persistence of the rap lovers here, where they're prety much already one foot in the mosh pit.
Lev, Godsmack is a band too. I didn't know that you were specifying about that song. Oh, and half of these rappers brag about "shootin' up dem coppas maaaaan" when most probably haven't even fired a gun or used a knife ooutside of a kitchen. Their songs are pretty much bluffs.
I do appreciate some of R and B because of all the emotion that they put into their songs.
I'd like to ask a question: Which do you think works harder to memorize their music to perform at a venue, a rap crew or a metal band?
Rappers memorize choreography and lyrics, but guitarists and bassists memorize complicated chords and play them at fast tempoes. Vocalists memorize their lyrics. And drummers... I won't even descrie how hard they work. So rock for me.
 
Gary Hobson said:
Lev, Godsmack is a band too. I didn't know that you were specifying about that song.
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Leviathan said:
No Godsmack is a song, by Alice in Chains, the band, named themselves after that song.
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He never said that Godsmack wasn't a band. He was just saying that 'God Smack' is an Alice in Chains song which is were Godsmack got the name of their band.
 
Which do you think works harder to memorize their music to perform at a venue, a rap crew or a metal band?
Rappers memorize choreography and lyrics, but guitarists and bassists memorize complicated chords and play them at fast tempoes. Vocalists memorize their lyrics. And drummers... I won't even descrie how hard they work. So rock for me.
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Hahahaha.
It doesn't matter how hard somebody works.The final result matters.Rap and rock are very different genres and because of this you can't say which is better.
Btw check the song immortal technique-dance with the devil.
 
I certainly appreciate the effort it takes to play all those instruments. Especially a drummer as out of the lot, that probably takes the most energy out of you even though you are just sitting down - not easy.
 
Most heavy metal drummers have like 50-piece drum sets which makes it even harder to memorize your part.
 
I'm a rock fan myself. Classic hard rock from the 60's and 70's and heavy metal in particular. My favourite bands are Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, and other favourites include Pentagram, Witchfinder General, Rainbow, Motörhead, Venom, and Manilla Road just to mention a few. Rap just never spoke to me in the way rock does. Sure some of it puts a smirk on my face, but that's about all it does for me.
 
I enjoy both. I'm picky about the music i listen to so i know what i like and what i don't. Atmosphere and Cypress hill aren't bad. NEither is A1, even though he mainly talks about getting fucked up.

Rock is harder for me to find a band i like. Yes there are bands i love to death, but it's hard for me to get into new ones.

I would have to say though overall, i enjoy techno and rave much more than any other genre. And yes i know this is about rock VS rap, but o well.
 
I chose rock, but actually there isn't much rock I like (that isn't American). I do like Metallica (up to the Reload album). Jack Off Jill! <3 Gotta love Jessicka, but not her newer band, scarling. The rest of my rock liking is J-rock and I am picky too in that area.

I am more of a metal person, still picky too (Iced Earth, Sigh, Rammstein, Chthonic, Cradle of Filth) But like I said, it just depends on what catches my attention.

Right now, give me industrial music and Nobuo Uematsu music and I will live for a while! XD
 
I used to like rock music... But other rock fans ruined it for me... Well that and the fact that rock music has since been culturally re-appropriated away from my demographic (I'm black). Rock music used to be a "black" thing (For instance, Ray Charles was an original rock n' roller), and the youth (white and black alike) listened to the music for the beat or rthymn. I'm simply irritated beyond words by the ignorance espoused by supposed hip-hop haters, when they're saying that rappers are in fact the only ones espousing ignorance and violence. Rap itself is a 3000 year old art form, and instances of rap in media can even be found before the birth of hip-hop (The Electric Kool-aid Acid Test is a good example). Blues musician and historian Elijah Wald, argues that rap has been in the states as early as the 1920's.

The ignorant thinking that seems to be prevalent in the anti-hip hoppers here seems to be the idea that rapping is exclusive to hip hop. Another ignorant notion is that hip hop is just a music genre (it's a world-wide culture), with the original intention and effect being an end put to (for the most part) the rampant gang violence that NYC was so rife with over the 60's 70's and 80's.

Hearing "hard" rock got on my damned nerves quickly, because the singers all sounded the same.

80's rock just sounds terrible to me.

Emo, and alternative rock are wwwwaaaaaayyyyyy too pretentious and whiny for words (and I feel like my pants aren't tight enough to deem me worthy enough to listen to).

Metal music... Hell no! If I was completely petty and biased, i'd generallize all metal listeners as sadistically violent, satan-worshipping weirdo's (they're not) in very much the same manner that those same people think that all rappers and hip hoppers are either wannabe's, retards with a poorly controlled monosyllabic vocabulary, thugs, or gangsters (they're not). But I still don't listen to music to be frightened, and that's how I feel about metal.

If you're not going to look into anything relse about hip-hop, look right here.

Guns, violence, and other such unpleasantries were never what hip-hop was about. It's not hip-hop. You could essentially relate rap to punk being that fact that it captured the emotions of an entire generation brought without the silver spoon.

There's also DJing, graffiti writing, and B-boying, which is infinitely cooler and pleasing to look at than moshing.

That's all for now, as i've class.
 
Serge has a good arguement. Most metal listeners tend to get that stereotype, only cos they dress the part. I like some metal, but I don't dress the part. As for his rap/hip-hop history, it is true, but our youth makes it worse, IMO. I don't go around bashing rap, I just dislike it. I was raised with parents who listened to rock and classic rock, so I say that your musical preferences a lot of times has something to do with what you were raised around.
 
Ah.. I could go on forever about these two. As of recent both eras suck ass.

Rap died back in 2000, now all that's left is the ground up shitty style of hip hop. The old days with Death Row Records, Flip Mode Squad, NWA, Ruthless Records, Hypnotize Minds, and BMG Records were amazing. Back before Cash Money Records came around with Master P, Juvenile, Mystical, and Little Wayne, rap was still good. Then the two most hated artists came around Mr. Sean Puffy Combs ("Puff Daddy", "Puffy", "P Diddy", "Sean Sean") and Jay Z. You had Busta Rhymes + Flip Mode, 2 Pac, Snoop Dogg and the Dog pound, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Bone Thugs ~N~ Harmony, Outkast, 3 Six Mafia, Mac-10, and alot more of talented artists. Gangsta rap was where it was at because it brought lyrical content to a high at the time.

Now we have over repetitive "Hip Hop" artists such as Little Wayne who will go so far as to sing with a boy band in order to make a record. True the music can make you move, but the lyrical talent is the skill of a child. I don't mind rap artists who try the rock scene, but you can only go so far until you sell your soul.

Now let's head to the most dissapointing topic of all, Rock.

What you consider rock could be very different than what I consider rock, so I'll throw my opinion out there, but you don't have to take it to heart. Rock goes through eras, from the 80's hair bands to the early 90's grunge to the NuMetal to the Alternative stuff and then to the stuff we have today. Each era had their big hit but ever since 2005 I would say rock has been stuck in a rut. I mean now a days all you hear are the same songs over and over and over again. You have wash ups trying to make a come back, you have singles from members of broken bands, and then you have the new bands who make it big by singing like James from Metallica or Chad Kroeger from Nickel Back.

I mean how many crappy bands do we have to pump out in order to get a diamond in the rough. I have tried to stomach the newer stuff, and have heard an occasional good tune come out of Slipknot and maybe Serj Tankian from system of a down, but literally the creativity is gone in the genre. Korn is dead, they should stay dead, John Davis needs to learn when to quit. Once Head left and Fieldy left, I think they should of kissed their arse goodbye. Also what's up with Kid Rock singing somewhat country music to tunes of Skynard.. I mean Sweet Home Alabama was a classic, why ruin it. Metallica.. I mean come on. What ever happened to Gavin Rossdale from Bush, why the heck did he cut his hair and turn into a big pansy. I don't mind a little Sevendust here and there, since they are still kickin out the jams, but even they are having a rough spot at creativity.

I miss rage against the machine, tool, old link park tunes, pantera (r.i.p.), sytem of a down, Chevelle's old stuff, Sublime (R.I.P.), Sound Garden, Cake, Old disturbed, old Our Lady Peace, Old Pearl Jam (back before Eddy was more connected to his music), Trent Reznor with NiN (with teeth, downward spiral) and Corey Taylor with Slipknot. I mean I could go on forever, there used to be so many good quality bands, and I don't know if they all sold out or broke up.

In conclusion, music these days needs to kick it up a notch and find their damn soul. They need to stop doing stuff strictly for music, and go back to their roots. I'll keep listening to other genres till then.
 
I prefer all kinds of rock n roll. but i cannot stand rap... because it makes no sense, offends people just by being racist and sexist. not only that, but I put up with the gangster wannabes at my school annoying everyone with rap music every day at school. So therefore, I prefer any rock n roll ranging from Rod Stewart to Godsmack.
 
Serge68 said:
I used to like rock music... But other rock fans ruined it for me... Well that and the fact that rock music has since been culturally re-appropriated away from my demographic (I'm black). Rock music used to be a "black" thing (For instance, Ray Charles was an original rock n' roller), and the youth (white and black alike) listened to the music for the beat or rthymn. I'm simply irritated beyond words by the ignorance espoused by supposed hip-hop haters, when they're saying that rappers are in fact the only ones espousing ignorance and violence. Rap itself is a 3000 year old art form, and instances of rap in media can even be found before the birth of hip-hop (The Electric Kool-aid Acid Test is a good example). Blues musician and historian Elijah Wald, argues that rap has been in the states as early as the 1920's.

The ignorant thinking that seems to be prevalent in the anti-hip hoppers here seems to be the idea that rapping is exclusive to hip hop. Another ignorant notion is that hip hop is just a music genre (it's a world-wide culture), with the original intention and effect being an end put to (for the most part) the rampant gang violence that NYC was so rife with over the 60's 70's and 80's.

Hearing "hard" rock got on my damned nerves quickly, because the singers all sounded the same.

80's rock just sounds terrible to me.

Emo, and alternative rock are wwwwaaaaaayyyyyy too pretentious and whiny for words (and I feel like my pants aren't tight enough to deem me worthy enough to listen to).

Metal music... Hell no! If I was completely petty and biased, i'd generallize all metal listeners as sadistically violent, satan-worshipping weirdo's (they're not) in very much the same manner that those same people think that all rappers and hip hoppers are either wannabe's, retards with a poorly controlled monosyllabic vocabulary, thugs, or gangsters (they're not). But I still don't listen to music to be frightened, and that's how I feel about metal.

If you're not going to look into anything relse about hip-hop, look right here.

Guns, violence, and other such unpleasantries were never what hip-hop was about. It's not hip-hop. You could essentially relate rap to punk being that fact that it captured the emotions of an entire generation brought without the silver spoon.

There's also DJing, graffiti writing, and B-boying, which is infinitely cooler and pleasing to look at than moshing.

That's all for now, as i've class.
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Isn't it a bit harsh to accuse others of ignorance concerning rap and hip hop while in the same post dismissing 4 sub genres of rock within 7 lines?
 
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I'm almost split between the two. I enjoy both genres quite a bit. But I'd have to give it to rock. Mainly because it appeals to me more. Also my mom's teenage years were in the 80's so while I was growing up her and my uncles and aunts all lived and went to bands concerts like AC/DC, Poison, Guns N Roses, Black Sabbath, Motley Crue, Warrant, Quiet Riot, Queen, Metallica, etc. So i grew up listening to all that. Wasn't til I was much older before I started listening to the multi-genre stations and got into all sorts of music. But rap and r and b are great to listen to. But I'm a rocker at heart so that's where I'm leanin to. Then again as one my boys(who is black) says, jokingly mind you, I listen to rock cause I'm a cracka ass honky. But then I remind him he listens to it too lol.
 
Like Shu said i like the older tunes. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and Queen. I listen to some semi new stuff. Stuff thats been around since...oh...'03 lets say. Like STS9, although I'm not sure how long they've been around. I think Mid 90's.

For the rap side, ehh, i listen to more R'n'B and Hip hop. Like Atmosphere, Cypress Hill, Devin the Dude, A1, and the like.

I also agree very much tha tnewer music isn't as good as the older stuff. But i think it's mainly due to wanting money. So the ydon't put as much effort into creating something tha twill truely wow the crowd.
 
I completely agree, everything in music seems so cheap and mainstream. And when groups are too lazy to make up their own lyrics they steal 'em from others *cough COLDPLAY STOLE JOE SATRIANI'S RIFFS cough*.
 
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