Sephiroth

Chocobowill said:
Yeah i see what your saying. But Jenova was actively trying to destroy planets. But sephiroth wanted to create something better. And yes that is the quote i was referring to. But something we both dont know is what he really wanted to do. I mean he bore witness to the evil of humanity, and realized he was engineered through a biological matter. In my opinion, thats where he got his anger and he wanted to...purify everything. But on the other hand, he could have wanted to go planet to planet to destroy them. But i wanna think that he wants to make everything better....idk though. Either way there is death, and birth.
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While I agree with where his anger came from I disagree with his main motives. I don't think he was trying to create purer life somewhere else. In the original game before the whole geostigma thing his plan was to destroy the planet and not ride it through the cosmos. So I infer that in Advent Children the reason his plan changed was not because he had a change of heart or motive per se, but because he had been defeated earlier and was forced to exact the new plan, because

1.) he needed to be able to come back
2.) he had found a way to wipe life out without destroying the planet and decided hed like to keep it as his vessel, and where I disagree is that I think the change in plan was a by-product of him being defeated and the geostigma being created not that the Geostigma was created as a by-product of his change of plans.

With the information I have found though it's not really possible to come to a conclusion though so I just go with what I feel is the most likely reasoning. If you do find any information leading one way or the other though please share!
 
Apparent Amarant said:
While I agree with where his anger came from I disagree with his main motives. I don't think he was trying to create purer life somewhere else. In the original game before the whole geostigma thing his plan was to destroy the planet and not ride it through the cosmos. So I infer that in Advent Children the reason his plan changed was not because he had a change of heart or motive per se, but because he had been defeated earlier and was forced to exact the new plan, because

1.) he needed to be able to come back
2.) he had found a way to wipe life out without destroying the planet and decided hed like to keep it as his vessel, and where I disagree is that I think the change in plan was a by-product of him being defeated and the geostigma being created not that the Geostigma was created as a by-product of his change of plans.
With the information I have found though it's not really possible to come to a conclusion though so I just go with what I feel is the most likely reasoning. If you do find any information leading one way or the other though please share!
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Oh no problem, same goes to you, and thank you for the discussion, it broadens our minds.
 
Sephiroth wasn't insane, he just was mislead. He thought he was doing right and the others were wrong the way I understand. It's kinda like survival of the fittest thinking imo......so, are those who follow that insane? No, not insane. He just wanted what HE thought was right and best for all even though he was wrong.
 
I don't dissagree with you at all actually. You've just explained the basic philosophy of life. And the whole thing about "one ends up with the shorter stick" was genious. Because strange enough, Cloud has a bigger sword but it is shorter than Sephiroths long sword.

It may sound strange, but too much of good is actually bad, and too much of bad is terrible, the only way to have complete harmony and balance, is to have an equal balance of good and bad. Without evil, there can be no heroes, without good, there can be no evil. And without either, we have nothing.
 
Based on the reasoning I've seen here, no, I don't see Sephiroth as a necessary evil. I fail to see him as some type of balance in forces to our heroes that some in this thread would suggest, as everyone other than our initial 3 were fairly inactive or harmless in any life-changing or global causes.

However, he might be a necessary evil in relation to Shinra, as they likely could have continued to prominently shaft the world with Mako if Sephiroth didn't heavily disassemble them, act as a common enemy between Cloud's group and their company, or act as part of Rufus' push towards a more politically correct path.

So if we're talking a necessity in that sense, yeah, but as part of some "yin and yang" theory, no.
 
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I have to say I agree with you on this. He was originally just a guy following orders, right up to the point where he found out what he could be/ thinks he should be, which just goes to show power does corrupt. So I suppose yes, he is the necessary evil. Someone had to cause a problem, and after finding out what he could have, he chooses the path that takes him away from those he knows, and into darkness in order to attempt to gain the ultimate power.
 
I think hes too over hyped personally, as IMO, the game. I agree with the whole Ying and Yang thing, but to me he was a hero who went nuts. I dont see the big deal in him. His background is shocking and yeah would totally piss someone off. But he went really OTT XD
 
People are getting eastern philosophy pretty twisted in this thread. The idea of ying and yang doesn't ever state that evil is important for a balance. It instead presents the idea that in all evil there is some good and in all good some evil. Good is what needs to be striven for to balance the evil that will always exist. In fact ying and yang dont even directly translate to mean good and evil. They are just meant to represent two opposite forces that compliment each other. A sense of balance between the two isn't always necessary or an end goal.

It is absolutely never necessary to create evil to balance out good. So calling him a necessary evil makes no sense. No evil is ever necessary. It's a term that has been around for awhile but like many other terms that have been around for awhile it makes no sense and serves no purpose.
 
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