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[link]Squallsdead.com[link] is this site I came across today which suggests the theory that Squall actually dies at the end of disc 1 in Final Fantasy 8 and that the entire game thereafter takes place in the fleeting moments between when Squall loses consciousness a result of the injury and subsequently dies. It's really well written and sheds a lot of light on the entire games story which becomes very convoluted and strange after the first disc.

The whole thing makes a lot of sense, and it could really be taken as fact seeing as Square never expands upon any story of any contained game that they release unless there is exceptional demand for it.

This site reminds me about the guy who wrote the really massive essay about how reviving Aeris was probably going to be a part of Final Fantasy 7.

These days I'm not as major a fan of the Final Fantasy series as I used to be, but I still really enjoy this kind of deep analysis of games.
 
Oh. Em. Gee.

Seriously. That makes a disturbing amount of sense. I'm approaching the end of disc 1 in my playthrough on the PSP, and I swear I will never look at this game in the same way. It'd certainly explain the unexplainable stuff - the whole Lunar Cry incident in particular. That was the one part of the game I really did not like, because it had little relevance and made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

That has really messed with my mind. I'm going to be sifting through that and trying to put it into context for quite a while. I actually quite like the idea...although I think that, maybe, its giving Square waaaaaaaaay too much credit...
 
Darling, so share with me
Your love if you have enough
Your tears if you're holding back
Or pain if that's what it is
How can I let you know
I'm more than the dress and the voice
Just reach me out then
You would know that you're not dreaming


These are the last lines of lyrics in the song Eyes on me, played at the ending of FFVIII. It's just a weird game! Very creative theory though.
 
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That was cool and kind of interesting to read, but not convincing at all. Whoever wrote all that I'm assuming has a problem with jumping to conclusions. There's so much evidence in the game to argue against what they're trying to sell that the whole read felt a little ridiculous.
Characters in FF games can be sliced to bits or blown into smithereens only to be classified at "KO" and quickly brought back to perfect health. That whole "Squall's Dead" belief bases itself on the fact that a mere icicle would have caused Squall to die.
Not in Final Fantasy my friend.
Maybe a good foundation for a fanfic of some sort, though.
 
Sure, characters in FF can be shot, blown up, stabbed, ect... However, in the cutscenes, they're afraid of guns. Everyone know this, and everyone knows that FF is story driven more than gameplay driven. Which is why when a character dies in a cutscene instead of battle, they're usually dead.

Everything in the article appears to be thought of heavily and researched heavily. The "mere icicle" that you speak of is in all reality a huge icicle that went through the right side of his chest. In all reality, that looks like it could have destroyed his lung completely.
 
Tsukianei said:
Sure, characters in FF can be shot, blown up, stabbed, ect... However, in the cutscenes, they're afraid of guns. Everyone know this, and everyone knows that FF is story driven more than gameplay driven. Which is why when a character dies in a cutscene instead of battle, they're usually dead.

Everything in the article appears to be thought of heavily and researched heavily. The "mere icicle" that you speak of is in all reality a huge icicle that went through the right side of his chest. In all reality, that looks like it could have destroyed his lung completely.
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Someone needs to play FF4. I believe Cid blew himself up 80 times in cutscenes and Yang as well. But they still lived. Squall isn't dead, but like I said, it's an interesting read none the less.
 
Omigosh! This makes perfect sense to me now! No wonder the game got all screwy afterwards....Plus I always wondered how the story gets so weird when playing later on...
 
We have. However, we also understand the concept of comedic relief and slapstick humor. :mokken:

We don't believe Squall is dead either. However, it's a good theory nonetheless.
 
Very interesting read i must say. Not quite sure if i agree or not i will need to replay FF8 again because it's been a while. Nicely put together and i admire the time it must have taken.
 
JesusVsThePolice said:
Someone needs to play FF4. I believe Cid blew himself up 80 times in cutscenes and Yang as well. But they still lived. Squall isn't dead, but like I said, it's an interesting read none the less.
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Alternatively
Aerith was stabbed through the chest and died under a minute later
. It's possible for a character to die in cutscenes, but it is purely dependant on what the creators feel should happen in the plot.

FF4's
Cid survived his suicide bombing because a) they felt it would be nice and corny if he came back to say hi for the finale and b) because he is absolutely insane and crazy, and anything can happen to him and he'll probably just laugh his head off at it
.

As for the theory itself, I haven't read it in full yet, but from the basics of what it is saying I think it is an interesting interpretation, and I look forward to reading the guys argument tomorrow. The final parts of the game did seem to be very weird when compared to the first disc.
 
:hmmm:

This is definitely interesting and intriguing. I'm not going to turn my back on the possibility, but I am also not sure about the theory either since this is way too complex and too deep for the general to capture. I have to say that the game certainly makes more sense now that I've read through all that, and watching some of the video clips that was shown to us to back up the theory. Very interesting and even valid explanations, although I doubt the same could be said about SE's intention. Because either way, we can also conclude real easily that Squall lived and it wasn't just a dream. There was still some sense to what happened throughout the game, although some parts were a bit weird. And it also just so happens that Squall dying in the first disc can be used to support this theory, but again, either way works in my opinion, although I just have a feeling this game was more of the what-you-see-is-what-you-get element rather than the think-real-hard-to-the-point-that-people-still-don't-know-the-real-details-of-the-story-even-after-over-10-years-since-the-game's-release.

It was still an enjoying read though. :)
 
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Argor251 said:
Alternatively
Aerith was stabbed through the chest and died under a minute later
. It's possible for a character to die in cutscenes, but it is purely dependant on what the creators feel should happen in the plot.
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That is a good point, and an aspect I did consider when making my previous post, but if you want to get technical, I still think this particular cutscene is different than the one to which you alluded.

I think this simply because although the scene did in fact take place after a battle, Edea was not killed at the end of it- the battle just ends with her standing there. After this, she busts out the Ice Strike, which happens to be her limit break.

See what I'm saying? This cutscene is but a continuation of the battle that took place just prior. Maybe they just wanted to make the final battle of the first disc extra flashy and cinematic.
This game was very keen on eye-candy, after all. :awesome:
 
LemonyMog said:
See what I'm saying? This cutscene is but a continuation of the battle that took place just prior. Maybe they just wanted to make the final battle of the first disc extra flashy and cinematic.
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I see where you're coming from, and it probably was just this. Though the injuries Squall sustained were much more extreme than were seen in the battle animation in battle, so it could be argued that it was to be taken seriously as well.

After having read this theory in full I find this very interesting, and he argued his case quite well. It did seem like all of a sudden Squall was taking part in all sorts of action that the world depended on, including
taking a trip to space and back
. While this isn't new to FF (FFIV, FFV, FFVII spring to mind), and not out of place, it could be argued that in this case it was a dream, and Squall was imagining himself in his final moments as a hero.

I particularly like how moombas and Griever are perhaps manifestations of his mind, as they only appear after he begins to die (according to this), and his symbol and necklace is the lion.

It's an interesting theory. I'm not going to take it as truth, but I'd like to play the game again one time with this theory in mind and see what the story feels like then.

In a way, I might prefer this. Not because I found the FF8 story bad, but because this just adds a whole new level to it, and can also explain some of the plot holes / seemingly random and forced plot twists.
 
I quite like this theory. It has been quite a while since I last played FFVIII, but it seems to explain stuff that I remember being wrong with the plot (forced romance much?).
I mean, a spear of ice large enough that it probably obliterated a lung and at least knicked the heart in some way, and then falling off of a building... that would kill any normal person, Final Fantasy hero or not.

But then again, I have never put it past Square to just be lazy...
 
FF8 is my favorite FF and his theory does make sense in alot of regards. I wouldnt say it's true per se, but it is an interesting read.
 
Mokken said:
[link]Squallsdead.com[link] is this site I came across today which suggests the theory that Squall actually dies at the end of disc 1 in Final Fantasy 8 and that the entire game thereafter takes place in the fleeting moments between when Squall loses consciousness a result of the injury and subsequently dies.
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i find things like this interesting,
i go off topic around this section
many games/Anime haves the same theorys for example there is the exact same theory in the Pokemon Anime Ash gets struck by a bolt of lighting during Episode 2 which made some fans beleive that ash is in a Coma he has made this world in his head.

Back on topic now
after reading Squallsdead.com i'm going to replay FFVIII and thing about it in a different way.
 
JesusVsThePolice said:
Someone needs to play FF4. I believe Cid blew himself up 80 times in cutscenes and Yang as well. But they still lived. Squall isn't dead, but like I said, it's an interesting read none the less.
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Aerith got stabbed and died.
So it's possible for a character to die by something so little in cutscenes as opposed to explosions in game play. However, I do remember in Advent Children, Cloud got shot in the face by a gun and got nothing but a small cut on his forehead. So WTF!?!

Mod Edit: Even if it's an old spoiler, it's still a spoiler. Please use spoiler tags.
 
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An interesting theory. I've always wondered about Squall's miraculous recovery after being stabbed with that ice stake (and actually have a fanfic idea about that ;D). Even he himself wonders why he has no wound when he regains consciousness :hmmm:

But I don't think this theory is true. A lot more plausible than that Rinoa = Ultimecia theory, but the game doesn't really reveal anything in the end about it being a dream.

It's definitely an interesting interpretation. This would have been a very interesting FF story if it was canon O.O
 
VERY interesting. I don't believe it at all, but it all fits and could be valid. The game does have a kind of surreal feel to it, but that's the nature of all FF games.
The whole 'getting stabbed through the chest with a giant icicle' thing can be explained quite simply.
He was stabbed and was healed to be interogated about the true nature of SeeD. Siefer believed Cid told Squall something Cid wouldn't tell the others because of his obvious bias towards Squall.
It's that simple.
 
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