The death penalty costs money, too.
I find it hilarious that the needle that is used must always be STERLISIED and WASHED to prevent the spread of disease - who cares, when you're TRYING to kill people?
The Death Penalty - Do you agree with it?
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The death penalty costs money, too.
I find it hilarious that the needle that is used must always be STERLISIED and WASHED to prevent the spread of disease - who cares, when you're TRYING to kill people?
I was thinking about that too. I really don't like how people in prison get treated better than those who go to war to protect their country.
Why not drop murderers, rapists, child molesters in the middle of a battle field? The details of how this would happen I haven't thought about. Then again this would open a whole other discussion... would it be right to send a murderer to war? yadda, yadda
I still don't agree with the death penalty.
Sadly they most likely wouldn't fight the opposition for their lives, they would do what ever dastardly deed they could to get free. Being in the military I wouldn't want them on my side, either, it's just another liability.
Child molesters, rapists and murderers deserve to die, but we are not the ones who should be passing judgement and killing people. Hate to sound all morel but if we did kill those types of people how would that make us any different. Why should we be tainted with their death.
I think the argument shouldnt be whether they deserve to live or die but do we have the right to kill.
I think the argument shouldnt be whether they deserve to live or die but do we have the right to kill.
Scenario: We can no longer afford to have as many prisoners in prisons that we do. Instead, we must free them, and have them on "house arrest". How many of you want these molesters, rapists, and murderers living on your block, next to your significant other, parents, siblings, girlfriends, wives, children?
Not I. Is this scenario likely? Not at all. Point is, the government no longer surprises me, and we know not what the future holds. The above crimes are unforgivable. Give 'em the short drop and sudden stop they deserve.
Not I. Is this scenario likely? Not at all. Point is, the government no longer surprises me, and we know not what the future holds. The above crimes are unforgivable. Give 'em the short drop and sudden stop they deserve.
QuickSilverD
I Think... Therefore You Are
What? are you telling me that is not so bad to go to prision, last time I checked, go to jail was not a good think, nor a luxury, people lose their freedom, and are around dangerous criminals all time, criminals that may have not have contact with the opposite sex for a long time, you know what prisoners are famous for, for fucking other prisoners,
don't talk like if going to jail was a nice thing, cause it isn't
Guardian of Selfhood
Chocobo Breeder
Whilst I do think the bastards who rape and defile people need to be punished (I think rapists are just as bad as murderers by the way). I do not believe in the death penalty whatsoever, and I am taking part in an Amnesty International Campaign to help publicise the issue.
The death penalty is immoral in itself. Two wrongs don't make a right, and killing the killer doesn't being the deceased back to life. Plus, how do we know there wasn't a miscarriage of justice? There are many people who are unjustly put onto death row for crimes they didn't commit and the innocent are executed. What about L J Burrows on Prison Break for example?
Not only that, but the death itself is not quick and painless; there is a horrible prolonged agony that all death row prisoners have to go through of waiting for their execution know that they will be killed any day by being strapped to an electric chair (a horrible, painful death) which just ain't right; even if they have done wrong.
Plus, it could be the case that the murder was justified. Okay, I know that may be a terrible thing to say. But what if there is some justification for the crime? For example, what if the murderer was a battered housewife who killed her vicious husband after years of abuse and threats? What if she was killed whilst he was threatening her? Surely it was him who was in the wrong and not her?
Whilst prison may appear too soft (it isn't; it's overcrowded and horrible), executing someone in a painful, violent manner is not the right form of punishment. Prison does work best.
The death penalty is immoral in itself. Two wrongs don't make a right, and killing the killer doesn't being the deceased back to life. Plus, how do we know there wasn't a miscarriage of justice? There are many people who are unjustly put onto death row for crimes they didn't commit and the innocent are executed. What about L J Burrows on Prison Break for example?
Not only that, but the death itself is not quick and painless; there is a horrible prolonged agony that all death row prisoners have to go through of waiting for their execution know that they will be killed any day by being strapped to an electric chair (a horrible, painful death) which just ain't right; even if they have done wrong.
Plus, it could be the case that the murder was justified. Okay, I know that may be a terrible thing to say. But what if there is some justification for the crime? For example, what if the murderer was a battered housewife who killed her vicious husband after years of abuse and threats? What if she was killed whilst he was threatening her? Surely it was him who was in the wrong and not her?
Whilst prison may appear too soft (it isn't; it's overcrowded and horrible), executing someone in a painful, violent manner is not the right form of punishment. Prison does work best.
I dont think the death penalty should be used, I beleive people should be imprisoned for life in stead, we dont have the right to take peoples lives. In the uk we dont have the death penalty, for the above reason
QuickSilverD
I Think... Therefore You Are
By the I think murdering is the worse crime possible (even worse than rape, a lot worse) so the death penalty is in itself the most horrendous crime possible to commit, and again I'll say, being in jail is not a nice experience
OmniscientOnus
Blue Mage
I am all for the death penalty. You took someones life, and that is unacceptable. As for killing the the killer as being a crime, well, obviously if the death penalty is legal, then it's not a crime per-se, but I think I know what you mean.
I do not believe that any man woman or child should be allowed to get away with murder. Sure, really young kids probably shouldn't get the death penalty, but for the most part, let 'em fry. Letting someone rot away in an institution isn't going to help either. If you are sentenced to "life" in prison (the average actual time spent in prison for a life sentence I believe is 13 years if I'm not mistaken) what kind of rehabilitation do you think you're going to go through? You're just going to fall into the prison lifestyle of eat or be eaten.
As far as being more expensive to off someone, that's just silly. An ineffectual system is all that is. Lets get rid of lengthy appeals process and just shoot them in the back of the courthouse. What's with all the commotion about how we kill the murderer's anyways? Sure we don't have to hack them up into little bits and eat the evidence or something, but we can save lots of money with a couple bullets into the frontal lobe.
Sure, there are a lot of people on death row that truly did not commit their crime, but... what are you going to do about it. Yes, I feel sorry for them, but the fact is, you can't prove for absolute certain that every single criminal in the justice system is either guilty or innocent.
In conclusion, kill the murderer's and keep them from killing anyone else. Do it cheap and effectively with guns, get rid of the lengthy appeals process, get rid of death row with all it's waiting, and get on with life.
I'm sorry if this post lacks the usual depth that I try to include, but the fact is, I think murderer's deserve death, even if it doesn't stop others from doing it in the first place, it certainly stops the convicted ones from doing it again.
I do not believe that any man woman or child should be allowed to get away with murder. Sure, really young kids probably shouldn't get the death penalty, but for the most part, let 'em fry. Letting someone rot away in an institution isn't going to help either. If you are sentenced to "life" in prison (the average actual time spent in prison for a life sentence I believe is 13 years if I'm not mistaken) what kind of rehabilitation do you think you're going to go through? You're just going to fall into the prison lifestyle of eat or be eaten.
As far as being more expensive to off someone, that's just silly. An ineffectual system is all that is. Lets get rid of lengthy appeals process and just shoot them in the back of the courthouse. What's with all the commotion about how we kill the murderer's anyways? Sure we don't have to hack them up into little bits and eat the evidence or something, but we can save lots of money with a couple bullets into the frontal lobe.
Sure, there are a lot of people on death row that truly did not commit their crime, but... what are you going to do about it. Yes, I feel sorry for them, but the fact is, you can't prove for absolute certain that every single criminal in the justice system is either guilty or innocent.
In conclusion, kill the murderer's and keep them from killing anyone else. Do it cheap and effectively with guns, get rid of the lengthy appeals process, get rid of death row with all it's waiting, and get on with life.
I'm sorry if this post lacks the usual depth that I try to include, but the fact is, I think murderer's deserve death, even if it doesn't stop others from doing it in the first place, it certainly stops the convicted ones from doing it again.
Hear hear.
I would also like to say GG to the kids saying prison is so horrible. Have you been to prison? Granted, they all aren't peaches and cream, but the majority of the prisons in America are a joke. It's reported all the time what a joke it is. People sentenced for minimal crimes, doing repeat crimes just to stay in! If we're talking a gang ridden prison, where the guards don't run the place so much as the inmates do, that is a different story, but who is the victim there? The GUARDS! We don't win putting criminals behind bars that treat them like it's a vacation. Criminals should be digging ditches and eating bread and water til they learn their lesson; some of those who can't learn their lesson (ie murders, rapists, etc etc, watch the news, there is plenty to pick from daily) should be shot in the f--king head.
I would also like to say GG to the kids saying prison is so horrible. Have you been to prison? Granted, they all aren't peaches and cream, but the majority of the prisons in America are a joke. It's reported all the time what a joke it is. People sentenced for minimal crimes, doing repeat crimes just to stay in! If we're talking a gang ridden prison, where the guards don't run the place so much as the inmates do, that is a different story, but who is the victim there? The GUARDS! We don't win putting criminals behind bars that treat them like it's a vacation. Criminals should be digging ditches and eating bread and water til they learn their lesson; some of those who can't learn their lesson (ie murders, rapists, etc etc, watch the news, there is plenty to pick from daily) should be shot in the f--king head.
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K_Unit
Ex-Soldier
on this topic, i could easily argue both sides.
against: the U.S. constitution guarantees that each person has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. on this note, the death penalty is in violation of the constitution, since it guarantees that everyone is entitled to life in which no one else can take that away.
there are also religious reasons that i won't get into.
for: whereas the constitution guarantees life and all, a murderer has just violated the constitution by taking away someone else's right to life. why then should that person (murderer) be able to have rights eventhough he/she has removed the rights of the person he/she just killed. an eye for an eye. more and more have murderer's been talked up as victims whereas the real victim is now in the ground. i don't care if his dad beat him up when he was a child, that person just killed another person and should be removed before he can do it again. rehibilitation cases are rare.
the whole court system in the U.S. is a frickin' joke, my brother in law (police officer) stands there in court while the judge releases over half of the people he brings in and even those that had drugs in their procession.
it is what it is i guess
against: the U.S. constitution guarantees that each person has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. on this note, the death penalty is in violation of the constitution, since it guarantees that everyone is entitled to life in which no one else can take that away.
there are also religious reasons that i won't get into.
for: whereas the constitution guarantees life and all, a murderer has just violated the constitution by taking away someone else's right to life. why then should that person (murderer) be able to have rights eventhough he/she has removed the rights of the person he/she just killed. an eye for an eye. more and more have murderer's been talked up as victims whereas the real victim is now in the ground. i don't care if his dad beat him up when he was a child, that person just killed another person and should be removed before he can do it again. rehibilitation cases are rare.
the whole court system in the U.S. is a frickin' joke, my brother in law (police officer) stands there in court while the judge releases over half of the people he brings in and even those that had drugs in their procession.
it is what it is i guess
It depends on the person I believe...
If the crime is so horrendous like let's say. You rape 3 little girls and even kill them, hell yea. Go kill him, he deserves no less.
Preferably I want him to be beaten the hell out of him inside a prison. Society' s Justice didn't touch him, but human Justice did find him.
But if you murder a guy because he raped your girlfriend, or did something to one of you family members. Give him a freakin medal.
If the crime is so horrendous like let's say. You rape 3 little girls and even kill them, hell yea. Go kill him, he deserves no less.
Preferably I want him to be beaten the hell out of him inside a prison. Society' s Justice didn't touch him, but human Justice did find him.
But if you murder a guy because he raped your girlfriend, or did something to one of you family members. Give him a freakin medal.
Clyde
White Mage
LittleAngel
Blue Mage
The death penalty should only be used IF and only IF there is no cause for reasonable doubt AND the entire jury agrees that the person being judged is 100% guilty. If even one of those 12 good men and true believes them to be innocent then it should not happen.
I also think it should depend upon the crime. People who kill in the heat of the moment (ie crimes of passion) are unlikely to ever kill again and probably didn't mean to this time, their emotions got the better of them, they didn't plan to kill anyone, should not be given the death penalty. Adversly, someone who plans to kill, arranges it, goes to a designated meeting place with a weapon and a will to murder (ie serial killers, spree killers) should be given the death penalty if caught alive.
I know there is a grey area here such as thieves who kill someone they are robbing etc, but then again it would depend on certain factors that I do not have the legal knowledge to work out.
I also believe that once given the death penalty it should be carried out quickly, not drawn out over years and years as the accused makes appeal after appeal.
Of course this is just my opinion.
I also think it should depend upon the crime. People who kill in the heat of the moment (ie crimes of passion) are unlikely to ever kill again and probably didn't mean to this time, their emotions got the better of them, they didn't plan to kill anyone, should not be given the death penalty. Adversly, someone who plans to kill, arranges it, goes to a designated meeting place with a weapon and a will to murder (ie serial killers, spree killers) should be given the death penalty if caught alive.
I know there is a grey area here such as thieves who kill someone they are robbing etc, but then again it would depend on certain factors that I do not have the legal knowledge to work out.
I also believe that once given the death penalty it should be carried out quickly, not drawn out over years and years as the accused makes appeal after appeal.
Of course this is just my opinion.
Nanaki's Mohawk
Ex-Soldier
I am against the death penalty and in most cases I am against prisons too. I just dont think they work. 80% of convicts re-offend when they are released. I think a lot more effort and money should be put into rehabillitation rather than punishment. Obviously if a dangerous murderer or rapist has mental problems, they need to be kept away from society permanently or at least until they make some kind of recovery.
But I think most criminals are a result of the bad aspects of society anyway. If you change society, you change the amount of crime. Then there wouldn't even be any need for the death penalty or prisons.
But I think most criminals are a result of the bad aspects of society anyway. If you change society, you change the amount of crime. Then there wouldn't even be any need for the death penalty or prisons.
Xx Sir Auron Xx
Banned
OO I think that there should be a DP in every state... Like this women that lives in Sioux Falls. She First hit a girl in the head with a bat. then Suffcated her with a plastic bag and ThEn SHE CUT HER UP WITH A FLIPPIN CHAIN-SAW AND PUT HER IN BAGGIES. and she only got life in prison. IM a christan and all but i hope she rotes in hell
Taylor Swift
A.K.A----> LuLu
Hell yea i agree with the Death Pently, i think we should ship everyone that kills someone on purpose to Texas because they Kill people left and right
i Agree with the death penalty - but only if the person commited the crime and there wasnt any evidence to say that it wasnt them.
because - and to take one of the bibles more useful phrases - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life
i think thats fair - but only if they can prove without any doubt that it was the person who's getting killed that did the crime there getting killed for.
because - and to take one of the bibles more useful phrases - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life
i think thats fair - but only if they can prove without any doubt that it was the person who's getting killed that did the crime there getting killed for.
Hell_Razer
Banned
depending on the crime im guessing becasue if you murder some1 you i guess derserve to die because like if you take some1s life then there lifes should be take aswell...