The next generation of Jenova

[Omnislasher483]

Since there are so many Ex-SOLDIERS, still walking around in the FF7 world, if they have kids don't they have a strong possibility of becoming like Sephiroth?

I was thinking about this for a while, but I wanted to get my theory straight before I posted it. Since all of the SOLDIERS were injected with Jenova's cells, can they pass it on to their kids? Sephiroth was created by being injected with Jenova's cells while he was still in the womb. In theory, if two members of SOLDIER were to have a kid (Assuming that there were female members of SOLDIER) that kid would have two sources of Jenova's cells in his body. When Sephiroth was created, only Lucrecia was injected with thew cells. But would Sephiroth have been stronger if Hojo injected himself with Jenova's cells and then had sex with Lucrecia? Is every member of Shinra's former elite unit carrying around the Sephiroth gene in there sperm?

Your thoughts please......

 

[*Omni-Slasher*]

Good observation. It would be freaky if this were the case though. You'd have miniature Sephiroth's running around as in kids. I'd have to say a "select" few remnants have a chance of becoming Sephiroth, not all would.

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

didn't all the ex soldiers die when they came to re unite with sephiroth, at the end of disk 2?

 

[Madison Strife]

they were the experiment's subjects. no those who were in SOLIDER, well the whole point of SOLDER was that the guys were super strong and that teh reunion had no effect on them , so they wouldnt have been at the northern crater at disk 2 (think Zack - he didnt react to the experiment like Cloud did. if youve seen LO it helps). so Omnislasher483, your theioy is possible (eeg how scary, tho i dont think they will be mini-sephiroths - sephiroth was the result of science and his experience growing up pretty much emotionally isolated and alone and proberbly a large does of arrogance knowing he was the Best.

 

[Fantasy_Addict]

Hey sounds pretty cool and freeky... 'FFVII KIDS'
I could picture them going from town to town just ripping everythink up with their miniture swords.
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[Madison Strife]

lol that sounds so crazy and funny. somehow i dont think parents would allow that kind of behaviour. hmm it think that if there were a second generation born from parents who were SOLIDER id think they proberbly learn to be covert in exposing their 'talents'

 

[Aztec Triogal]

SOLDIERS were injected with Mako, not Jenova cells. That's why their eyes glowed.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of FFVII are Cloud, Sephiroth clones, and Jenova's head.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of AC are ... no one. Jenova's head was destroyed. Cloud cured his geostigma. The sephiroth clones were what died and created the geostigma when they returned to the lifestream. That too was cured.

 

[Omnislasher483]

SOLDIERS were injected with Mako, not Jenova cells. That's why their eyes glowed.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of FFVII are Cloud, Sephiroth clones, and Jenova's head.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of AC are ... no one. Jenova's head was destroyed. Cloud cured his geostigma. The sephiroth clones were what died and created the geostigma when they returned to the lifestream. That too was cured.

Cloud stated on Disc 2, right after he gets his memories back, that members of SOLDIERS are all injected with Jenova's cells, as well as infused with Mako. For better or worst, only the strong can make it in SOLDIER.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

No, the beginning subjects were but they were all failures. That's why they made Sephiroth, so there'd be no more Sephiroth. After Sephiroth was created, they stopped doing it. Then Sephiroth went crazy so they used the people who died in Nibelheim for experiments putting them in heavy concentrations of mako and jenova cells. They too failed. But they could at least hold that "clone" form, which the previous subjects couldn't.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

that would be scary seeing mine-sephys(run for your life its a mini-sephiroth!!!) ( aww but there so cute with there silver hair oww you son of a ... *dead from being stabbed with butter knife)
lol random i know

 

[Evil D]

Maybe they could use that idea to make a decent sequel

 

[Madison Strife]

hmmm yeah but the sequal would have to be set like 20 years into the future.

 

[The Crystal]

SOLDIERS were injected with Mako, not Jenova cells. That's why their eyes glowed.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of FFVII are Cloud, Sephiroth clones, and Jenova's head.

The only people left with Jenova cells at the end of AC are ... no one. Jenova's head was destroyed. Cloud cured his geostigma. The sephiroth clones were what died and created the geostigma when they returned to the lifestream. That too was cured.

This isn' right. SOLDIERs were injected with Mako AND Jenova cells. This is stated many times in the game. I suggest you to play it again.

As stated in DoC, many people still have Jenova cells in them, after the end of AC.

And Jenova Synthesis's cells created the Geostigma, after being destroyed in the Northern Crater, and spread in the Lifestream.

No, the beginning subjects were but they were all failures. That's why they made Sephiroth, so there'd be no more Sephiroth. After Sephiroth was created, they stopped doing it. Then Sephiroth went crazy so they used the people who died in Nibelheim for experiments putting them in heavy concentrations of mako and jenova cells. They too failed. But they could at least hold that "clone" form, which the previous subjects couldn't.

Sephiroth was the first human being injected with J cells. After Shinra discovered that he became more powerful, they decided to inject members of SOLDIER with them, to create a super army.

Hojo's experiment was to inject people of Nibelheim with J cells, to make them be controlled by Sephiroth's will and go to the Reunion. They are all sucessful experiments.


And about the topic of this thread, they wouldn't become insane like Sephiroth. In AC, Jenova's mind/consciousnes is already dead, replaced by Sephiroth's will. After his will was destroyed in AC, J cells don't have any negative effect in people anymore.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Sephiroth wasn' injected with the cells. He was born of them.

And Hojo didn't use the people as an experiment to give Sephiroth power. He did it to create "clones", partially to harness their power and also to just experiment. Sephiroth wasn't controllable and Hojo was in it to be in charge of them.

 

[The Crystal]

Sephiroth wasn' injected with the cells. He was born of them.

He was injected with J cells when he was in the womb.

And Hojo didn't use the people as an experiment to give Sephiroth power. He did it to create "clones", partially to harness their power and also to just experiment. Sephiroth wasn't controllable and Hojo was in it to be in charge of them.

Hojo created them to prove his theory about the Reunion. He WANTED them to do the Reunion, and prove that he was right.

**Jenova Relation 3: The Sephiroth Clones** (005.1C)
5 years ago, immediately after Sephiroth fell into the Mt. Nibel mako reactor, Jenova's main body -- which had been left behind -- was utilized by Hojo for an experiment. This plan -- which Hojo intended to use to prove his Jenova Reunion Theory -- was called "the Sephiroth Clones Project."

The experiment's procedure -- which involved injecting cells taken from the headless body of Jenova into the subjects and exposing them to mako -- doesn't differ from the manufacturing procedure for SOLDIERs. The largest difference is that SOLDIERs are selected from a prime field, being strong of mind and body and able to withstand the experiment uninfluenced by Jenova's cells, whereas the Clones' fragile minds leave them as "portions" of Jenova. The subjects of the Sephiroth Clones Project were the survivors of the Nibelheim incident, with absolutely no thought given to sorting them as with SOLDIER, and -- being unable to maintain their egos -- they lose the ability to live a normal human life.

With the Sephiroth Clones, as part of the experiment, an identification number was engraved somewhere into their bodies. Cloud was a Sephiroth Clone, but received no number due to the "failure work" (referenced in the article below). Cloud's obsessive drive to chase Sephiroth and settle everything over the thoughts of him taking his hometown -- at any cost to and an indifference for himself -- is much the same as that of the Jenova cells.

All of the clones completed the Reunion, meaning that they aren't failures because this was their objective.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Yea, but the reunion theory came afterwards. He'd already began creating Sephiroth clones when he lost Sephiroth. It's one of the things that drove Sephiroth so crazy. He did want the reunion to happen... but it was a theory he developed a long time after the experiments of Nibelheim failed. He didn't create them to find Sephiroth or Jenova because he had both within a 5 minute walk. lol The reunion came afterwards, although you were right about the Jenova cells being put into the SOLDIERS. I'd even argued that point to someone else in another topic, not sure why I changed my mind. I guess partly because I knew Zack was injected with them in the Nibelheim basement and I'd forgotten he'd already had them.

 

[Omnislasher483]

Well I'm glad you see the light, Aztec.

All members of SOLDIER, for atleast the time that Sephiroth was a member, were injected with Jenova's cells for an increase of battle capacity. Whether or not they stoped injecting them (which I don't think they stoped) after the Nibelheim event, is open for disscusion.

And about the topic of this thread, they wouldn't become insane like Sephiroth. In AC, Jenova's mind/consciousnes is already dead, replaced by Sephiroth's will. After his will was destroyed in AC, J cells don't have any negative effect in people anymore.

I'm afraid that as we saw in AC, Jenova's will is still very much alive, just not as strong possibly. Kadaj, Loog, & Yazoo were looking for 'Mother' (Jenova) for the whole movie because she was summoning them to the whole time. I think that during Sephiroth's time in the Lifestream, his will and Jenova's will became one. This is why Jenova wanted the reunion, she wanted to bring back her most powerful ally, Sephiroth, to carry out the plan of travelling through the cosmos using Gaia as a vessel.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Even so though, you don't really see many SOLDIERs in the game. I'm trying to think if the higher up Shinra guard are called SOLDIERS but I don't really recall. I don't think so. Makes you kind of question how many people got it and how much of it they got.

 

[The Crystal]

I'm afraid that as we saw in AC, Jenova's will is still very much alive, just not as strong possibly. Kadaj, Loog, & Yazoo were looking for 'Mother' (Jenova) for the whole movie because she was summoning them to the whole time. I think that during Sephiroth's time in the Lifestream, his will and Jenova's will became one. This is why Jenova wanted the reunion, she wanted to bring back her most powerful ally, Sephiroth, to carry out the plan of travelling through the cosmos using Gaia as a vessel.

After destroying Jenova Synthesis, she/he/it dies. She is already dead in AC. The SHM are being summoned by Sephiroth's will not Jenova. Even if Jenova was still alive, she can't summon them, because the SHM don't have any J cells inside of them. This is why they needed the kids, to make them(kids) be summoned by Jenova, and then they(SHM) would find where she/he/it is located. The SHM thought that they would find mother, but they were just being manipulated/controlled by Sephiroth, to make him return.

Aztec: We see many SOLDIERs in the game, but is hard to note them, because they are just normal enemyes.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

I'm not so sure that's true. Sephiroth was always being controlled by Jenova. He was doing what her will commanded. He was just strong enough to see them as his goals, not hers... but it was still her that wanted him to do all that he was doing. It was her way of living on without being able to live on.

As for her being alive at the beginning of the game, I'm not really sure she ever was or that she ever died, for that matter. I think the whole point is that her cells cause an instinctive nature in whomever they inhabit. It's not so much "Jenova's Will" as it is just aquiring her basic instincts and desires from the cells themselves. So to say you kill her at the end of FFVII doesnt' really make sense to me. At no real point did you ever see Sephiroth command Loz, Yazoo, or Kadaj. And at no point did you ever see them mention anything about him, other than a quick line by Kadaj to suggest major jealousy.