The Sorceress, and her rise to power in Glabadia

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Apparent Amarant

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Did everyone find the people acceptance of the Sorceresses rise to power in Glabadia a little ridiculous? Didn't people think she was evil? Do you think a festival would continue after a new leader gave a speech like the one she gave? I just think that even if it got to the point of the speech that it wouldn't be something the people would support or celebrate.
 
I thought it was weird that everyone was cheering as well... also, she was just introduced as 'the sorceress' what did she do, just turn up on the presidents door step one day and say, hello Im the sorceress and I want to be some ambassador?

Obviously, she was good before Ultimecia took over her, and living a nice quiet life in the Orphanage - building garden and wotnot. I dunno...I'm confusing myself just thinking about it......

Actually, did she live on the white seed ship? And if so, wouldn't she have been on there when Ulti took over? Wouldn't Cid have noticed the sudden drastic change in his wife? IT MAKES NO SENSE

Ugh. it's one of the many little things that annoy me in this game, they seem to introduce ideas with either no explanation, or the most far fetched idea you can think of... (looks at the basket ball scene in Trabia)
 
Her past was that she ruled Esthar(sp?) which is the nation that Galbadia was fighting in Laguna's time. That's where her history of being evil came from and her recognition. I don't think that they talk much about it though and I wish they did. The fact that they have history with her and reason to despise her only makes it stranger.

Yeah I agree with it being something that annoys me about this game. It's strange but all of the FF's seem to have a few things that don't make sense. The games are all still great but I wish they would make them a little more complete. This particular thing was just bugging me because I'm playing through it again and got to this part, and I was just thinking about how little sense it made.

You're right about the Cid thing too.
 
I think part of her sorceress powers involved the ability to manipulate and control people to an extent. We see her doing this with individual people more directly and to a more powerful extent at different times, so it is safe to assume that the widespread support, cheering and parade held for her as she
killed the president
and pretty much called them all lowlife scum, was probably down to her powers making the crowd react that way.

If they were thinking normally and logically I'm sure they wouldn't have cheered for her, but as she was an evil sorceress and could manipulate people, she probably did the same here.

As for Cid, I think he did notice the change. I haven't played the game in ages but I thought he did mention that she was acting strangely and that she
wasn't usually a bad person
.
 
When the FMV kicks in with Squall driving the car into the float, or whatever it is, the whole crowd is fighting. I think it was just a graphics mistake, or maybe she wasn't speaking into the microphone when she insulted everyone. I think cheering and fighting look kind of the same, what with the arms flying around, so maybe Square got lazy and left it there.

They're trying to incorporate multiple stories in here, and it's not working for me. Some things just get mixed up and most of it ends up not making sense.
 
I think it's made pretty obvious that Edea has mind control powers over the people of Deling City (obviously people wouldn't cheer someone going all megalomaniac in their speech) - if you go around Deling City after you escape from the prison and talk to people they all say that President Deling deserved to die and how great the sorceress is. This clearly isn't normal talk and there's some sort of control going on. Go back after Edea is back to normal and say will express confusion over what they said before. Also, even without the mind control aspect it wouldn't matter as like in any place ruled by a dictatorship voicing dissent is usually a rather bad idea anyway. Anyone who voiced opposition to Edea would have been ruthlessly dealt with.

As for Cid, he and Edea anticipated what might happen to her one day, it's one reason why they created SeeD. What happened exactly when she did become fully controlled by Ultimecia and how Cid reacted is not explained I agree, but then if you want every gap in the plot in a FF game explained you'd be waiting a while.
 
charliepanayi said:
I think it's made pretty obvious that Edea has mind control powers over the people of Deling City (obviously people wouldn't cheer someone going all megalomaniac in their speech) - if you go around Deling City after you escape from the prison and talk to people they all say that President Deling deserved to die and how great the sorceress is. This clearly isn't normal talk and there's some sort of control going on. Go back after Edea is back to normal and say will express confusion over what they said before. Also, even without the mind control aspect it wouldn't matter as like in any place ruled by a dictatorship voicing dissent is usually a rather bad idea anyway. Anyone who voiced opposition to Edea would have been ruthlessly dealt with.

As for Cid, he and Edea anticipated what might happen to her one day, it's one reason why they created SeeD. What happened exactly when she did become fully controlled by Ultimecia and how Cid reacted is not explained I agree, but then if you want every gap in the plot in a FF game explained you'd be waiting a while.
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It probably is mind control powers but I think mind control on that big of a scale is kind of a cop out.

However the people saying that President deserved to die isn't really that strange because he was despised in all of the territories anyway. He wasn't like by any of the towns under his rule or the nations surrounding that. So it doesn't really say much, and them expressing confusion over what they said after she isn't evil anymore could just be that they are confused by how they were fooled so easily, then again maybe not I can't remember exact dialog but I'll pay attention now when I reach that point .again)
 
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It did get a little confusing near the 1st disc's finale. I think they were trying to squeeze multiple storylines together, but it backfired. That sequence with the crowd cheering, that was probably some type of mistake. Maybe it was supposed to sound more like booing, but came out looking the wrong way. Perhaps SE just never bothered to change it (Or thought no one would notice).

Another thing is (although this theory is a little stupid, really) I think that despite Edea being some tyrannical sorceress, maybe they thought she'd be a way better choice than their former president or something. The guy was an ass to the people's eyes, so maybe everyone thought, 'why not Edea?' Well, that's probably what they thought before she insulted them over the mic.
 
Didn't she kill Deling in front of all that crowd? Perhaps killing the dictator was something to be happy about, who knows.

She did control Rinoa with her mind, she controlled her movements, although i'm not sure if she could manipulate an entire crowd of people, i guess like everything everyone as supporters even evil sorceresses, some people probably remained quiet out of fear, although if i remember correctly when you talk to some of the citizens of Deling City some show support for Edea while others are afraid of what will happen.

I'm guessing she somehow arranged a form of impressing Deling with her powers, maybe he thought that she could control the mind of his enemies and that's how she grew within Galbadia's ranks.
 
My guess would also be mind control, but it could also be fear. I can totally see the sorceress running some kind of totalitarian regime where everyone follows her orders because they are affraid of her. Murdering the president, summoning monsters (the two lizard-lion-beasts) and casting powerfull spells can only be done by a powerfull person after all.
 
If I recall, people who spoke or acted offensively regarding the president or other political figures got sent to D District Prison. Maybe they cheered because otherwise they'd be killed. Then when Edea left the podium they all started rioting. Or perhaps it's something else that Caraway arranged in case of the assassination backfiring?
 
I'm guessing the angry crowd attacking the soldiers was just the natural effect of an attempt of assassination on their new leader, people got nervous and tried to run away stepping and beating on eachother, so it's natural a fight would start, it might also be possible that there were members of the resistance against Deling mixed in the crowd and they started fighting...who knows.
 
Well if it was mind control how do some people remain unaffected by it? I don't understand how everyone but a small group can remain unaffected. I think mind control can actually be ruled out.
 
I doubt she had the mind power to controlo and entire crowd, i mean she did that to Rinoa but still...

Hell even guys like Hitler had a lot of supporters, some because of fear but a lot of others because they actually believed in him so i'm guessing the same can be considered for Edea and Deling.
 
Jimmy said:
I doubt she had the mind power to controlo and entire crowd, i mean she did that to Rinoa but still...

Hell even guys like Hitler had a lot of supporters, some because of fear but a lot of others because they actually believed in him so i'm guessing the same can be considered for Edea and Deling.
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Yeah I guess it was just because of their unhappiness with their current governing leading and the direction of the country and the people's situations at the time. I guess we just have to assume she made other speeches then that at some point.
 
She was a dominant power, only makes sense that the people cheer for any chance at peace with her. Better to have a sorceress that isn't a threat rather than a re-cap of sorceress Adel.
 
I always thought that she was speaking more to herself when she was insulting them... Not to the crowd.
 
Quetzalcoatl said:
I always thought that she was speaking more to herself when she was insulting them... Not to the crowd.
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Except for in the speech she says a line that states she is talking to the crowd. It's along the lines of "even though I say all this you still cheer" and then she says some insulting name or maybe its before. Don't remember the exact quote but the line makes it obvious she is speaking to the crowd. If it wasn't for that line I would definitely like this explanation the best.
 
Yeah, the way I read the scene, and the only way I can see it seeing that youtube clip, is that she was adressing the audience, and they did hear her insult them. Her entire speech was putting them down and warning them that their own times will come, and she
excecuted the president
right in front of their eyes.

If it is to be believed that the audience didn't hear any of her insults, then they mustn't have heard her speak at all, and were applauding silence.


It's a very bizzare and interesting scene overall. I do think mind control plays a part, or some sorcery trick. If not the whole crowd, then perhaps she manipulated a few people to stir the crowd and to cheer in one way getting the others to follow.

This isn't a Hitler kind of thing either. Hitler didn't insult the people he wanted to gain support from, he instead gave scapegoats that recieved all the hatred and insults instead, and created images of his own party as saving Germany. Edea on the other hand openly says the people are stupid and ignorant for celebrating her now as she was meant to be this evil sorceress, and even publicly
excecutes the president
and declares herself the ultimate ruler and that everyone will die now that she's in charge. That's a bit of a huge thing.

I'd certainly not expect to hear "Heil Edea!" from the crowd after a speech like that, at least not from the crowd itself but maybe the soldiers and whatever else followed her (long time since I played the game). I can imagine most normal people would naturally be petrified at that point if it wasn't for mind control, or crowd manipulation.
 
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