Tumblr on election night = funniest place to be

[Squid]

I think everyone has a right to a free or cheap education and if that means each person has to pay a little extra money in tax to help people get a cheap education or whatever then I don't see the problem. It's not like it's going to be 100's of dolars in tax each pay, it'll probably be a tiny amount.

We've got this thing here in Aus called the Carbon tax. It's to help save the environment. Everyone was in a rage about it, then we found out it would literally be pennies out of our money to pay each month and we all realised we were idiots to even bother whinging about it.

I think helping people and the environment etc is much better than worrying about paying a few extra dollars here and there to ensure that the people of the future are able to get the things they need to help them better your country in the long run.

Australians have been doing it for years and we're ok with it, in fact we're one of the most financially stable countries in the world because of our taxes.

 

[Ethics]

I can't speak about anything for sure, but I heard most countries outside the US offer much cheaper schooling. Student debt outweighs all credit card debt in the US.

 

[Linnaete]

Since education has been brought up:

There was also something lulzworthy about some guy threatening to quit his well-paid job ASAP because obviously, being on government handouts would provide a much more prosperous lifestyle without working. Because obviously people on handouts can get a comfortable care-free life with a mansion and a Bentley. It's been proven, don't you know?

 

[Squid]

Since education has been brought up:

This made me laugh so much.
It's funny how much we all know about america and their politics but how little they know about anyone elses...

 

[The Witch]

No one's saying that the rich aren't manipulating the system that the status quo has perpetuated for years and years (ron paul fought against this every day, he even said the current system turned the lower class into modern day slaves). So I agree, the present system is not working, and people are being underpaid, again--not arguing that at all.

But not handing people money so they can go to college won't stunt the education growth in our country, it'll make people choose more wisely in what they major in, because not all majors are wise to go after, but it won't stunt our country from getting an education to participate in the world. My grandfather (who now works at NASA, and helped with the LEM) got an amazing college education, paid for it himself, and the most inspiring part about it is that he came from practically nothing (he had to walk to school barefoot by the time he left highschool), so please, I know all about sympathetic situations. I sympathize towards them, and I'd help if I could, but in no way should anyone be forced to help someone else. At that point it is not charity but rather robbery. People should be kind hearted enough to do it all by their own free will, not because daddy-government says to or else!

Also, you know I'm a Libertarian, right? Libertarians believe that retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. We believe that a person should be able to opt out of Social Security and invest their money in their own personal retirement account--an account that they own and control. (also, from what I've heard, Britain and Australia have successfully gone from their failed Social Security systems to healthy systems based on individual retirement accounts, so why not us too?)

 

[The Witch]

capitalism raised you well is all i can say really

but do everyone a favor and don't call yourself pro life if you're not concerned about the millions [of children] dying in poverty because you don't want to pay taxes

yes i'm allowed to call you out on an unrelated topic because you slipped in a nice "MY TAXES ARE PAYING FOR ABORTIONS" (which they aren't)

and i think you'd be more concerned about basically only millionaires being able to come out of college without crippling debt if you loved your country so much. if i was able to be as patriotic as i was two days ago i'd be infuriated we rank so low in terms of education

First of all, my family--is a poor family. I am not going to beat around the bush at all or be ashamed of it, my father is sick and dying, and it's thanks to medicare and medicaid's failed policies that I'll probably lose him. So do not presume to know me or insinuate that I am "privileged" and that's why I've got the political views that I do, because you're wrong.

I am pro-life, but guess what, I support a person who needs an abortion, but only before the first trimester.

About the millionaires thing, read what I said about my grandfather. We rank so low in terms of education because of the current education system, not because teens can't waste thousands of dollars in other people's money to come out of college with a major in poetry.

School/college should be cheaper, but not by making someone else pay your way in. It needs reform, not to steal from others. But really, way to avoid the question.

 

[CassinoChips]

Because if you don't force people to pay in for the greater good, people won't pay in at all. Rich people didn't get rich by being generous. They're hoarders by nature. When given the choice, like most people, they will gain the system and keep as much for themselves as possible. By asking all to pay their fair share, it's a way of leveling the playing field and giving everyone a better chance at opportunity. Is it ideal? Probably not. But it's better than just saying "oh you lost your job due to the poor economy? Well..... you're just shit outta luck I guess, huh?" or "oh, your single mother works three jobs for minimum wage and there's no way you can afford college despite your qualifying GPA and SAT scores? Well.... you're just shit outta luck I guess, huh?" or "oh, you lost your job so you can't afford to go to the doctor for preventative health care, which down the road will cause you to take several trips to the emergency room where, since you have no insurance, the government will foot the majority of the bill therefore costing taxpayers more than if they had paid the minimal tax needed to support a semi-universal health care system in the first place? Well..... we all are shit outta luck I guess, huh?"

 

[moogling]

I think everyone has a right to a free or cheap education and if that means each person has to pay a little extra money in tax to help people get a cheap education or whatever then I don't see the problem. It's not like it's going to be 100's of dolars in tax each pay, it'll probably be a tiny amount.

We've got this thing here in Aus called the Carbon tax. It's to help save the environment. Everyone was in a rage about it, then we found out it would literally be pennies out of our money to pay each month and we all realised we were idiots to even bother whinging about it.

I think helping people and the environment etc is much better than worrying about paying a few extra dollars here and there to ensure that the people of the future are able to get the things they need to help them better your country in the long run.

Australians have been doing it for years and we're ok with it, in fact we're one of the most financially stable countries in the world because of our taxes.

there is your answer about taxes (they are a thing) (and everyone, not just you, has to pay them)

 

[Squid]

@C a l i

Not to be an anus or anything or make you feel like you are being attacked, but you said your grandfather had to really struggle to get an education, he went barefoot and could hardly afford to live... so you know how difficult it is by what he's gone through to pay for his own education... so how come you want other people to go through the same thing?
I'd have thought knowing how tough it is to do on your own would make you want education to be cheaper for all and if that means people have to pay a bit of tax every fortnight or whatever to help everyone out then isn't that a good thing?

Tax would be calculated by income, the mega rich would pay more, and the poor would pay way less...and they'd be able to afford health care and an education because of it.

 

[The Witch]

Because if you don't force people to pay in for the greater good, people won't pay in at all. Rich people didn't get rich by being generous. They're hoarders by nature. When given the choice, like most people, they will gain the system and keep as much for themselves as possible. By asking all to pay their fair share, it's a way of leveling the playing field and giving everyone a better chance at opportunity.

That's a bit on the extremely cynical-side. :/

So...

If prosperity means you're a "hoarder", that means our "generosity" (aka, forced taxes) is aid with malicious intent. It's essentially paying people so they can eventually (as you said yourself) turn into what you say is the cause of the problem in the first place. So, by your own admission, every wealthy person is a hoarder and most people will hoard when given the chance--but, you expect others to give money to people that, once they obtain their wealth as you said, will inevitable continue to hoard and continue this whole thing anyway? D:

Remind me again how a world full of greedy hoarders is a good thing and helpful to the people and the economy? Because, you just admitted that once a person gets wealth they hoard it, but if everyone has this "wealth" then they'll all hoard it... perpetuating this motion even more!


Do you not see the hamster wheel you just created?

This is Panem et circenses at its finest.

Is it ideal? Probably not.

Glad you agree. Because our country went to war with a powerful country just to avoid unfair taxes. If you want to share your wealth by being strong armed, please, I advise you to live in a country that enforces such policies.

But it's better than just saying "oh you lost your job due to the poor economy? Well..... you're just shit outta luck I guess, huh?" or "oh, your single mother works three jobs for minimum wage and there's no way you can afford college despite your qualifying GPA and SAT scores? Well.... you're just shit outta luck I guess, huh?" or "oh, you lost your job so you can't afford to go to the doctor for preventative health care, which down the road will cause you to take several trips to the emergency room where, since you have no insurance, the government will foot the majority of the bill therefore costing taxpayers more than if they had paid the minimal tax needed to support a semi-universal health care system in the first place? Well..... we all are shit outta luck I guess, huh?"

Reform, reform, reform, my friend! It all starts at free-markets and state level! Your way, people are getting terrible coverage (like my father) AND we're STILL bankrupting our country. Hint, if our country goes bankrupt, we won't have any health care at all to offer to anyone... whether it's from the good graces of a person's donations or from the government's gun-point money that they forcibly took from people by violating their rights of deciding what they do or don't buy.

Hey, pretty soon, they might force everyone to donate for religious causes, like building new churches! If you can say it's your right to have a college education just because you say, then someone can say it's their right to have a car or a phone, or even a big fancy government funded church!

Where does it end!

Now I really have to finish that civil war post.

 

[The Witch]

@C a l i

Not to be an anus or anything or make you feel like you are being attacked, but you said your grandfather had to really struggle to get an education, he went barefoot and could hardly afford to live... so you know how difficult it is by what he's gone through to pay for his own education... so how come you want other people to go through the same thing?
I'd have thought knowing how tough it is to do on your own would make you want education to be cheaper for all and if that means people have to pay a bit of tax every fortnight or whatever to help everyone out then isn't that a good thing?

Tax would be calculated by income, the mega rich would pay more, and the poor would pay way less...and they'd be able to afford health care and an education because of it.

I do want it to be easier for them, though. The thing is, raising taxes on people won't do anything for the long run. We need reform, not more taxes in a country that can barely get by as it is. Charity, is a wonderful thing, I myself have done it before. Again, reform. If we had tax reform, people could have more money and take care of themselves and not rely on an unstable government system, that in actuality, does not give the care worth receiving.

You're not making me feel attacked. Out of everyone here, you've spoken the calmest and most respectfully to me. Which, I appreciate greatly.

 

[Squid]

I do want it to be easier for them, though. The thing is, raising taxes on people won't do anything for the long run. We need reform, not more taxes in a country that can barely get by as it is. Charity, is a wonderful thing, I myself have done it before. Again, reform. If we had tax reform, people could have more money and take care of themselves and not rely on an unstable government system, that in actuality, does not give the care worth receiving.

You're not making me feel attacked. Out of everyone here, you've spoken the calmest and most respectfully to me. Which, I appreciate greatly.

Charity is a very lovely thing but I dont think you can rely on the people of america giving away any charity in the way you're meaning, unfortuantely.

I think it's just a difference in opinion but i think if American changed it's ways and followed how the UK or Aus are doing things, then the American people would be a lot better off.

And I'm really glad I'm not making you feel attacked hahaha, sometimes my posts come off that way

 

[The Witch]

Nah, never felt that way before from how you talk with me, so don't worry about that. Besides, even if I did feel attacked from anyone, it wouldn't matter. Politics can drive a wedge between even the closest of friends, so I always take anger from people less seriously during political discussions.

For the record, though. I do think we need more than just relying on charity work in our society. I just think it's illogical to expect the people, who can already barely get by, to fund every little thing our communities need, it's just fiscally not possible. We have to prioritize what we raise taxes on and where we put the people's tax dollars. We can't fund health care, an education system, social security plans, war, and transition into a green power-based country all at once... especially with our debt only getting bigger and bigger.

I mainly just want education/health plans reformed and not dependent on an unpredictable central-government being the group that's providing the care. If it was privatized and state regulated it would be easier to control, but otherwise, it's unsafe economically speaking. However, that's why I'm for cutting unnecessary government spending, it could help out a lot with healthcare or education reform. Specifically speaking, cutting one trillion dollars from military spending could possibly be used for either healthcare or education, and if that were the case I would be more lenient towards the idea of it (which some Libertarians probably wouldn't support).

But sadly a Libertarian wasn't elected president... this term