Ultimecia Vs Sephiroth Vs Kuja Vs Kefka

Sorry sport, but you're still wrong here. Let me break this down for you in an easy to understand fashion. :)

Fact: Maiden isn't canon, if it were it would be in the compilation Ultimania. Its not even mentioned in any Ultimania, its merely packaged with the first one. :)

Fact: Sephiroth NEEDED Meteor. Hid plan wasn't to make anyone suffer, his goal was simply to absorb the lifestream. :)

Fact: Ultimecia can absorb reality in canon, Sephiroth cannot. :)

Fact: Kuja needs dozens of uses of ultima simply to destroy Bran Bal, Kefka does it in one. :)

Fact: The sun Supernova's illusion destroys is very clearly the sun of Gaia. If it weren't then it wouldn't hit the party. :)

Looking at the facts its clear that you're just a very misguided individual, sorry champ. :(
 
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Hmm...I've clearly proved that I'm correct if you fail to provide proof and resort to insulting me. So, now you've accepted your incorrection, we can finish. :) Sephiroth is indeed the winner here.
 
Let's see here, I've provided as evidence Crisis Core, The Compilation Ultimania, FF VIII, FF VI, FF IX and the FF VIII Ultimania, and the only shred of "evidence" you've provided is a book that wasn't even written by anyone from Square that I conclusively proved was non canon.

Now since you've just shown us that you have no way to counter the facts we've established, I'll consider this last post of your's a concession. Thanks for admitting you were incorrect.:)
 
everybody seems to forget that ultimecia can literally take over a person with born magic( a sorcerer or sorceress). so.... technically she could take over jenova and kill sephiroth. she could also make her own summons by useing the thoughts of other people... griever was not a gf untill ultimecia mad him... which points to another fact that ultimecia might have mind reading powers... and sephiroth took forever to summon meteor and ultimecia's special move take 4 PLANETS and smashes them unto the party... ALSO... she could take over sorceresses back in time... she could kill the whole family bloodline of the 3 other villans before they were born...
but i agree that ultimecia's character sucks
 
Kefka is scarier because he has very little motivation, apart from being insane. Thats scarier than having a motive (or thinking you have one, ie Sephiroth.) Not to mention he is the only one who succeeds- so he appears competent if not overly intelligent. Seph was a mommas boy lol. He's ok, but overrated IMO.
 
I still don't see any basis on which to call Sephiroth a mommas boy. He tried to take over the world for his sake, not Jenova's. Heck, he chopped his "mother's" head off and then 5 years later used her decapitated body as a puppet to do his bidding.
 
I'd say at first Sephiroth was under control of Jenova early on, but once Sephiroth's ambition and will grew an substantial point, he was able to take charge of the Jenova cells that he was injected with as a fetus and control his actions, sanity, powers, etc more than Jenova could control him. It's sort of like the creation overtaking the creator in a way.

Also, Sephiroth tried to physically take the whole Jenova body with him as shown in the FFVII spin-offs, but was unable to take the entire body so that is why he decapitated Jenova. Not simply for a show of superiority, but so that he could take with him what he still could. But I believe that was shown in LO, BC, and CC.

I'm not sure it really has anything do with him winning a royal rumble of "who's better" between Ult, Kefka, and Kuja, but I guess it does show he was able to take control of the one he was partly modeled from.
 
Well I might as well chime in.

Ultimecia... Well I just didn't get a sense of power or character depth from her. I don't get where people got the impression that she can control time, from what I remember she just managed to be able to posses sorcerers of the past, she needed Ellone before she could really do anything significant.
But that's not my big issue with her.

My issue is: Why? Why the heck does she want to compress time? Who the heck is she? The game makes her so vague that she has absolutely no depth. She's just... there. And she wants to compress time for no apparent reason other than to be the only living being. Not exactly a compelling character. -_-



Now on to Kuja, I enjoyed his character and he was very powerful. But he was always being manipulated from the very start. When he finally managed to get out from under Garlands shadow he learned that Garland had already found a way to control him despite the fact that he'd killed Garland.



Next is the big one; Sephiroth. For someone who has very little actual screen time he's gathered quite a bit of fans. Really we only see him in flashbacks and in the northern crater. All the other appearances were just Jenova's body taking the form of Sephiroth, which makes you wonder if fans fell in love with Sephiroth or with Jenova...
I think Sephiroth's popularity really sprung from his appearance more than anything else. The hair, the outfit, the sword, etc, I've gotten the impression that those things are what excite his fans and they couldn't care less as to what he does, so long as he looks good as he does it.



Now for Kefka, in terms of appearance he's practically the opposite of Sephiroth, but his appearance still manages to fit his character. We really got to see more development in Kefka's power than any other villain, he started out as the emperors lowly pawn and ended up ursurping the power of the gods and becoming the god of magic, that's quite an impressive leap to power if you ask me.
By the end of the game he's destroyed the world and continues to ravage it's surface and destroy cities just by raising his hand.

He also brings to question some philosophical issues, he takes on a nihilistic point of view by the end. The notion that all life and existance has no point, or perhaps that destruction is the point of existance is intruiging. Not that I agree with it of course, but it's nice to get a little bit of philosophy in a villain, even if it is sadistic.

Just an FYI, when you think about it, Sephiroth's final form (not counting the one-on-one battle with Cloud) was pretty much a repeat of Kefka's final form.
Both bosses use Chaos or Havok Wing, both bosses use Heartless Angel, both of them look like angels with dark and light wings and are seen in a backdrop of clouds. Oh, and this one may be more of a stretch, but both of them feature a close up of the characters face right before they use their super moves.


Maybe I seem bias towards Kefka, but I don't think I'm anymore bias towards Kefka than Sephiroth fans are to Sephiroth. After all, this is a war of opinions, nobody isn't bias.
So I pick Kefka.
 
SOLDIERis1337 said:
Sorry sport, but you're still wrong here. Let me break this down for you in an easy to understand fashion. :)

Fact: Maiden isn't canon, if it were it would be in the compilation Ultimania. Its not even mentioned in any Ultimania, its merely packaged with the first one. :)

Fact: Sephiroth NEEDED Meteor. Hid plan wasn't to make anyone suffer, his goal was simply to absorb the lifestream. :)

Fact: Ultimecia can absorb reality in canon, Sephiroth cannot. :)

Fact: Kuja needs dozens of uses of ultima simply to destroy Bran Bal, Kefka does it in one. :)

Fact: The sun Supernova's illusion destroys is very clearly the sun of Gaia. If it weren't then it wouldn't hit the party. :)

Looking at the facts its clear that you're just a very misguided individual, sorry champ. :(
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This guy is right on all accounts. meteor was meant to create a new creator which would be a well spring of life energy. this would have given him huge power, but by the world's mythology he was doomed to fail before he even begin. Ultamicia was successful in her attempt to take over the world but failed to take over all times.
 
I'm sorry to be a necro, but I just wanted to jump in on this one.

For me, the real battle is between Kefka and Sephiroth. I think they're the two most iconic, memorable villains in the FF series (perhaps excluding Garland). In terms of an actual villain, I'd go for Kefka. His sheer in-your-face craziness makes him such a good bad guy. He's nihilistic (a good trait for any villain, in my opinion) and a psychopath. Those two things generally tend to go well with each other.

However, in terms of an actual character, I'd go for Sephiroth. Maybe it's just because of the game he was in, but I think the fact that he's somewhat more 'human' makes him a better character in the sense that he's more involving and interesting and makes an already great storyline even greater.

But in a fight, Kefka would pwn, any day. :P
 
Ah this is a real tough one. For me the most evil villains have to be Sephiroth, Kefka and Exdeath.

Sephiroth was pure evil, Kefka was a madman who actually succeeded in destroying the world and ruling ontop high a tower frying towns with his godly powers, Exdeath was also an evil villain and liked the idea how he was sealed and released to cause mayhem etc.

Tough to call but my favourite villain is Sephiroth closely followed by Kefka. I thought Kuja was good as well
 
I personally think Kuja is the best, 'cause at least I had an idea of what he was up to. I would've voted Sephiroth, but his motives seemed kind of blurry, and Jenova seemed to make a better villain than he did.
 
lols,

In terms of personality Kuja and Sephiroth are the best. Personally like Kuja better since his motives are clearer/better backstory. Sephiroth is a bit... vague.

Then in terms of power, I'd say Ultimecia is the most impressive. Time Compression is the absorbtion of everything. I don't feel like any of the villains compare to that. :P

As for earlier statements, Super Nova is NOT canon. You don't even need the comp to know/prove this. Everything that happens in battle isn't canon to the story or their actual abilities. Why? Cause Sephiroth can blow up the solar system 3 times and yet he still needs Meteor to damage a planet. Tifa can lift up the Diamond Weapon in battle and yet they run away from the Diamond Weapon in story. etc. I could go on, but this is really not a discussions, luls.

Now as for accomplishments, Kefka and Kuja take the prize of course. Kuja creates war trough Brahne and then goes trance and destroys Terra, kills the main team and destroys the crystal, which was pretty much his goal. Kefka becomes the God of all magic and destroys multipe towns, on top of earlier poisening Doma and all. They're probably kinda tied.

So, overall. I'd say Kuja the best. Ultimecia wins in terms of power, Kefka and Kuja have the most acomplishments. :highfive:
 
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