US School Massacre: At Least 28 Killed

[Shinra Executive]

And your post was downright rude and vulgar. I am not liberal, please do not lump me in to your absurd generalizations. This is a topic about a massacre at a school, not a political debate.

The post I responded to was rude and vulgar, so don't go cherry-picking this thread.

And

I was on the subject of the school massacre, you two are the one's that got all butt hurt and turned away from the subject. The root cause of these things has everything to do with society, and by extension, those in society who don't want to simmer some accountability.

There is nothing absurd about facts and observations. The word 'generalization' is abused way too much by those such as yourself. Whenever an argument gets tough, you all spam that word- sorry if I don't give a shit when it's spoken.

 

[ribbit]

Except that it wasn't. It seems that you, in fact, are the one that is butt hurt because religion and conservatism don't reign supreme over the country. Your argument is to put the blame on others and to use excuses in an attempt to make any opposing points less valid. Everyone is biased and you're no different from me or the rest of the country.

 

[Shinra Executive]

Except that it wasn't. It seems that you, in fact, are the one that is butt hurt because religion and conservatism don't reign supreme over the country. Your argument is to put the blame on others and to use excuses in an attempt to make any opposing points less valid. Everyone is biased and you're no different from me or the rest of the country.

You mean the good old days when school shootings weren't damn near an annual event? The blame does go to liberals just by that observation- they don't know how to raise a generation. Every single thing wrong with mainstream society today is due to replacing accountability with hippiedom.
Who the fuck boycotts a fast food resturant because the owners believe in Christian marriage? That's the type of shit liberals are on, not the maintenance of society.

The reason why school shootings happen is because parents don't know how to raise their kids adequately. They grow up with all this liberal nonsense and people wonder why they turn up the way they do. You give a child a good, conservative upbringing, and you can pretty much be snug in knowing that they aren't going to go jump off the deep end. With a liberal upbringing, it's practically like playing slots. Which one will it be, Johnny? College education, Drug addict, professor, pregnant teen, dropout- JACKPOT! Serial killing maniac ding ding ding!

 

[greenyxi]

Hey, can we get back on topic please? This isn't a religious debate topic, nor is it a spam topic, so back to the school shootings please. Thank you

P.S. Any off-topic posts after this warning will be deleted.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

this is, apparently, the solution to the problem:

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

Reminds me of something a comedian said once something like how in the UK if there's gun violence we clamp down on gun control, in American WE NEED MORE GUNS

 

[Shinra Executive]

Reminds me of something a comedian said once something like how in the UK if there's gun violence we clamp down on gun control, in American WE NEED MORE GUNS

There is a reason why America's motherland has never been invaded, and it's because it's citizens are armed. Hell, America even warred with itself, and it was a full on hella war at that.
Taking away guns takes that security away, and it also leaves much more room for government abuse, all the way from that down to the police whom are already becoming more and more bullyish by the day. It's at the point now where a run in with a police officer could potentially be a life altering event.
Therefore, it is a mistake to adulterate the freedom that the Second Amendment grants.

As for school shootings and otherwise crime & violence, guns don't kill people- people kill people. I went to Greentop, and I have to say, none of the guns leaped off the shelves and tried to kill me.
If a person is crazy enough to want to murder a bunch of children, they will find other means to do it. Perhaps a homemade pipebomb or something. Liberals, as soon as this happened, pointed their fingers directly at the NRA. That pisses me off, because it's the liberal ways of this country that has led to the incline of *holy shit* occurrences such as this event at hand.
There used to be such a thing as accountability, and blaming guns is just plain ridiculous.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

To be fair, without guns would there be such a high death toll? I doubt you could kill 28 or whatever number or people as easily with a knife on your own

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

in the mid 90s, australia altered their gun control laws to make it illegal for a civilian to own a pump action shotgun or semi-automatic weapon and other similar guns. since then i think there have been no mass shootings on this sort of scale. there's no way that's a coincidence.

 

[moogling]

yeah that's exactly what i want. a kindergarten teacher packing an assault rifle. come on

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

And honestly, while you can't blame the guns themselves, you can blame the easy access to any old guy who can go off the deep end and do this sort of thing, it'd be far more difficult to do that in other countries with gun control laws and far less damaging when a different sort of weapon is used, like knives, blunt weapons or whatnot.

 

[CassinoChips]

To be fair, without guns would there be such a high death toll? I doubt you could kill 28 or whatever number or people as easily with a knife on your own

You mean like the guy in China who walked into a school and wounded 22 kids with a knife?

That's right, wounded, not killed. If he had been armed like old boy in CT, I doubt anywhere near that number of kids would have survived the attack.

And America has been invaded. Check your history book again.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

I'm not even sure if knife attacks on that scale are that common either, over here at least it's normally only a mugging weapon or something and deaths, at least where I live, aren't that common of course I can't speak on an international level for how knife related deaths work on a level like this but it's certainly deterring when you consider it's easier to disarm a knife than a gun, assuming they don't put the gun in your face.

 

[Bambi]

What's with this American trend? Why the fuck do people aim at schools instead of the mall or something?

Notice that this shit never happened in the past when Christian morals were still prevalent. Goddamn liberals are destroying this world with all their hippie bullshit.

Thats quite laughable considering all the kiddie fiddling priests about.

I'm not religious in the slightest, nor are the majority of people I know, and funnily enough, none of us has ever had the urge to go shoot the shit out of people. I got my morals from my upbringing and my peers. Not some made up deity that was just invented for crowd control.

Why is killing a bunch of people in a mall any less abhorent than a school? I don't value the life of a child any higher than the life of some poor folks minding their own business shopping. It's all equally disgusting. I'm very aware that NO one will agree with my opinion on that, as people generally believe the life of a child is worth more than that of an adult becasue they haven't had the chance to live - and i can understand and accept that, but I don't think certain people deserve it more just becauase they happen to be older.

I do wonder what must have been going through that guys head to make him do something so extreme.

 

[Shinra Executive]

Thats quite laughable considering all the kiddie fiddling priests about.

Predators tend to put themselves in advantageous positions. It's how they successfully prey.
What's laughable is holding an institution of God responsible for it. Nothing quite says 'hidden agenda' like putting unreasonable blame on something you *just happen* to be inherently against anyway.

I'm not religious in the slightest, nor are the majority of people I know, and funnily enough, none of us has ever had the urge to go shoot the shit out of people. I got my morals from my upbringing and my peers. Not some made up deity that was just invented for crowd control.

You can't justify anything without God, or call anything good or bad, because you otherwise have no basis for it. If you say bad and good is self-evident or exists, then you believe good and bad are forces, and by extension have to borrow from a logos, or universal logic, otherwise known as God.
You should try Greek philosophy sometime.

Crowd control is feeding society a bunch of morals and laws while claiming it as a personal superiority. It's called man making their selves God, and if one doesn't like it, well, strap up.
It works both ways, except one of them at least attempts to amend that judgement to something that can rightfully make such calls without the fallibility of man's judgement. Christian morals have a trend of not favoring any person's vanity. It's the same for a king to abide by it as it is for a peasant. Man's morals are just the opposite.

Why is killing a bunch of people in a mall any less abhorent than a school? I don't value the life of a child any higher than the life of some poor folks minding their own business shopping. It's all equally disgusting. I'm very aware that NO one will agree with my opinion on that, as people generally believe the life of a child is worth more than that of an adult becasue they haven't had the chance to live - and i can understand and accept that, but I don't think certain people deserve it more just becauase they happen to be older.

The older you get, the more guilty you become. Children haven't had the chance to be guilty of anything. That is where the bias stems from.
However, from the Roman stance, just because you haven't done anything wrong doesn't mean you are less guilty. There was once thought to be a special place in Limbo where infants went if they weren't baptized. It was a place of happiness, but without the prospects of perfect knowledge one would enjoy in Heaven.
This was later dismissed on the notion that infants are simply judged by what they would have done in life.
Therefore, an adult is no less valuable then a child.

I do wonder what must have been going through that guys head to make him do something so extreme.

If I took a shot in the dark, I'd say he went mad with bitterness. He probably saw those children as living in grace, or at the very least, in a more graceful state then he was granted. He blamed his mother foremost, and after he saw that he had ruined his life in killing her, went out and sought after the kids.

 

[ribbit]

^Just because you have a religion that you believe in doesn't mean that everyone else does or should believe in it. There's no point in forcing it down everyone's throats. No one is going to agree with you if you think like that.

These kinds of things happen and will continue to happen because of how easily accessible guns are. We don't need to remove guns entirely, that's not entirely fair to everyone, but it needs to be taken more seriously and cracked down on. People complain about how they don't want their guns taken away, and that's not what gun control is. Make it more difficult to get and continue to own a gun if you are or become mentally unstable and can't be trusted with one.

You mean like the guy in China who walked into a school and wounded 22 kids with a knife?

That's right, wounded, not killed. If he had been armed like old boy in CT, I doubt anywhere near that number of kids would have survived the attack.

And America has been invaded. Check your history book again.

pssst I think you quoted the wrong post

 

[Shinra Executive]

You mean like the guy in China who walked into a school and wounded 22 kids with a knife?

That's right, wounded, not killed. If he had been armed like old boy in CT, I doubt anywhere near that number of kids would have survived the attack.

And America has been invaded. Check your history book again.

America was invaded by the French and the Europeans who founded it as a modern country. Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japan- an island out in the middle of the Pacific. The mainland has never been invaded- troops have never attempted to ransack the country. Maybe you've been playing too much Modern Warfare?
Every time you try to beat a straw man, you are going to fail. I point them out each and every time.

Also, guess how much independence and pull a China man has? None. The country has preeminence over it's population because it's government is what is armed to the teeth, not the people.
Perhaps you are the one who should open up a history book. People without arms get controlled. Take Nazi Germany for example. Take South Africa as another, or the Middle East for a third.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

or britain.

also, france is part of europe. just thought i should point that out as well

 

[CassinoChips]

Draklor No, I was agreeing with Damon. No gun = Less death.

America was invaded by the French and the Europeans who founded it as a modern country. Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japan- an island out in the middle of the Pacific. The mainland has never been invaded- troops have never attempted to ransack the country. Maybe you've been playing too much Modern Warfare?
Every time you try to beat a straw man, you are going to fail. I point them out each and every time.

War of 1812. Thanks for playing.

Also, guess how much independence and pull a China man has? None. The country has preeminence over it's population because it's government is what is armed to the teeth, not the people.
Perhaps you are the one who should open up a history book. People without arms get controlled. Take Nazi Germany for example. Take South Africa as another, or the Middle East for a third.

The German people supported Hitler's rise to power. South Africa's power was based on race, and the countries in the Middle East are all based on religion. But none of that has to do with the Newtown shooting, so let's try for once to remain on topic.

 

[Shinra Executive]

War of 1812. Thanks for playing.

Wow, a whopping 30 years after America was declared a country and barely concreted. What a point you've made.

The German people supported Hitler's rise to power. South Africa's power was based on race, and the countries in the Middle East are all based on religion. But none of that has to do with the Newtown shooting, so let's try for once to remain on topic.

For one, one does not go on and on about a different subject and then tell me to get back on topic. Secondly, Hitler, race, and religion mean squat without arms. Flip it around and give guns to Semites, to alternate African tribes, and so on, and watch an alternate reality unfold.

See, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Notice that the American military is armed just like Nazi Germany, and yet aren't committing genocide. In fact, imagine if America wasn't armed- hope you don't have Jewish in your family.