what is penance?
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Unlimited Ultima
Blue Mage
LOL! I must agree with my FIRST time through the game. But wait til your own Aeons Are maxed out on all stats. Including HP and Exceed damage limit, I couldnt even hit them, let alone they couldnt hit me either. Just trying to take on one of them would take about 30minutes on a good day.
It can really wear-down your characters if your not prepared well enough!
Penance is the Temples last resort for defeating Traitors or powerful monsters, they don't pit him up against sin,
because Yu Yevon takes possession of the Aeon and Penance would be impossible for anyone to defeat if it were Sin
Raptorg
Dark Battle-Mage
the original final aeon?
the one who was said that the fayth disappeared and that they had to "sacrifice" a guardian to become the fayth(thus becoming a different aeon) instead
could be that Yevon(Bevelle in the machina war) hid the original final fayth long ago so that the most powerful Aeon, being Penance, couldn't be used against them(Zanarkand was known to use their best summoners to fight Bevelle)
if Bevelle infiltrated into Zanarkand(original place for the final fayth) and stole the Fayth, and hidden the Fayth in the depths where the Calm Lands now are, so Zanarkand couldn't use it
but that made it so that Bevelle couldn't use it either, so they made Vegnagun instead, to crush Zanarkand
and on and on
and when Yuna found out the final summoning was a whole bunch of bullshit, Bevelle reacted with the Dark Aeons, and perhaps summoned the true most powerful Aeon, being Penance, as a last resort to "punish" Yuna
what would you think? could it be possible this is true?
i can only speculate, but it does seem to be possible it has gone like this...
the one who was said that the fayth disappeared and that they had to "sacrifice" a guardian to become the fayth(thus becoming a different aeon) instead
could be that Yevon(Bevelle in the machina war) hid the original final fayth long ago so that the most powerful Aeon, being Penance, couldn't be used against them(Zanarkand was known to use their best summoners to fight Bevelle)
if Bevelle infiltrated into Zanarkand(original place for the final fayth) and stole the Fayth, and hidden the Fayth in the depths where the Calm Lands now are, so Zanarkand couldn't use it
but that made it so that Bevelle couldn't use it either, so they made Vegnagun instead, to crush Zanarkand
and on and on
and when Yuna found out the final summoning was a whole bunch of bullshit, Bevelle reacted with the Dark Aeons, and perhaps summoned the true most powerful Aeon, being Penance, as a last resort to "punish" Yuna
what would you think? could it be possible this is true?
i can only speculate, but it does seem to be possible it has gone like this...
Quite possible indeed. However Bevelle had no means of relocating Penance to beneath the Calm Lands, due to the fact the Gorge hadn't yet been made (it was created by Sin before he fell to a Final Aeon).
Also, the original Final Aeon was Lord Zaon; Yunalesca's husband. He merely became Sin, and reappeared later in the Via Infinito as Paragon (believed to be his form of Final Aeon).
Interesting possibility though.
Also, the original Final Aeon was Lord Zaon; Yunalesca's husband. He merely became Sin, and reappeared later in the Via Infinito as Paragon (believed to be his form of Final Aeon).
Interesting possibility though.
Raptorg
Dark Battle-Mage
i wasn't really saying Penance was the final aeon, in fact i was saying Penance was the original aeon gained from the fayth in Zanarkand
also, i'm aware that gorge wasn't there before, but i actually meant, that they could have hidden Penance(or its fayth), on the spot where the gorge is, and eventually, after the gorge came, the fayth fell into the gorge or something
thing is that Penance has nothing to do with the final summoning, but its fayth was located where the final fayth is "supposed" to be
Raptorg said:
Then it makes even less sense. If those of Zanarkand had access to such an Aeon, do you really think they'd just... not use it? They wouldn't even have to feel threatened if they sent Penance, should it actually BE any form of Aeon, to the front lines.
Raptorg said:
... hide it on plain ground? Oh come on.
Raptorg said:
I highly doubt that's likely.
Raptorg
Dark Battle-Mage
perhaps Penance was too hard to controle?
perhaps Bevelle would be afraid Zanarkand would be really reckless and use it, eventhough it might destroy Zanarkand too?
it's very much possible Zanarkand itself was afraid of calling Penance, if it was an Aeon
the Final Aeon was also an uncontrollable Aeon, it actually kills the summoner while it fights Sin
never heard of buildings? caves?
if Penance would be an Aeon, it'd be the perfect explaination, and most likely to be how the Fayth for the Zanarkand Aeon is disappeared
it all pretty much falls together, ofc i know i can twist it all around and make it like that... but it's possible Penance is in fact an Aeon
and well, the fact that Penance has no overdrive is most likely just because it's an optional boss put into the game quickly in an attempt of making "impossible" to beat, but very poorly designed and without any real lore behind it
and if you look at the game, Penance is beatable, though it would be a strong Aeon, it's not invincible...
and everybody knows how strong Bevelle was with Machina...
Raptorg said:
Uh, no. The Final Aeon isn't uncontrollable at all. It does, however, kill the summoner, but only when Yu Yevon takes possession of the Aeon.
Raptorg said:
The Calm Lands was ever devoid of life; due to it being so open, wide and desolate, it was chosen as a final location for all Summons to fight Sin. I highly doubt a "building" of any size there could accommodate Penance.
Speaking of, if he were powerful to the extent of being feared enough to be put into a building, would that not in itself imply that he could just... break out? Restraining an Aeon doesn't exactly sound plausable; nor anything of Penance's power for that matter.
Unlimited Ultima
Blue Mage
WOW, i say 2 for Saix, and 0 for Raptorg.
I say this because there is actually some POINT behind what Saix is trying to point out to you
I say this because there is actually some POINT behind what Saix is trying to point out to you
Raptorg
Dark Battle-Mage
a Fayth isn't directly an Aeon, it grans the power to summon an Aeon, but if that power is cut off in some way, it's not possible to summon that particular Aeon, therefore cutting off the power of a Fayth makes all summoners unable to summon the Aeon that particular Fayth grands
and i also said they hid the Fayth there, not the Aeon, that would be just stupid, knowing a Fayth is rather... powerless in some way unless being called upon(through a summoner)
about the Final Summon you're right, Yu Yevon enslaves it... but still, it's possible Penance was uncontrollable and therefore stayed unused by Zanarkand's summoners
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Uh... well done?
Raptorg said:
You mentioned sticking either the summon or the Fayth there. You didn't exclude putting Penance in a "building."
Raptorg said:
We don't even know Penace is a type of Aeon... that being one flaw in this, but how the hell can you come along and try to justify that Penance was uncontrollable? If an Aeon is in creation by a Fayth (of whom became so for good intentions), then the worst they could possibly be is like the Magus Sisters. Even that is unlikely.
Unlimited Ultima said:
Uh, thanks. XD At least someone here is being rational.
Unlimited Ultima
Blue Mage
Thats 3 for Saix... hey and no prob! I like when people actually state FACTS instead of B/S! lolz
I do in fact find the person who keeps quoting you Saix, to be very entertaining,
by that i mean: by watching you two and reading your posts, id like to know where he/she/it gets its source of information from! yours makes more sense.
and i can agree on that
I do in fact find the person who keeps quoting you Saix, to be very entertaining,
by that i mean: by watching you two and reading your posts, id like to know where he/she/it gets its source of information from! yours makes more sense.
and i can agree on that
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What are you talking about? and yes saix has a better point to it.
agreeing with yourself makes no sense to me??????
Fritz Henker
Newbie
He appears for you to kill him, ain't that enough?? Kill first, ask the questions later lol
Zaon wasn't a Summoner to actually warrant a Guardian. Yunalesca, his wife, was the Summoner, technically making HIM the Guardian.
And that doesn't mean to say it can be Zaon either. We already see Zaon transforming into his Final Aeon in X-2, and that looks nothing like Penance.
