What should happen to these people?

These people have obviously never even read the Bible. It is completely blasphemous to act the way they act.

God would never agree that we should be happy that anyone has died. Nor, would he agree that we should hate anyone.

If indeed there is a heaven and hell, then they will surely burn in their own hell. The ultimate irony.

Let God sort out these people.


But, until then, anyone who believes firmly that their is no God should start... well, use your imagination as to how you should truly make our country better.
 
Well, it seems we've discovered the great irony of the Christian faith.

We fight in the name of God, not realizing that we're using his name to further our own selfish desires, regardless of what rules we violate.
Take the Crusades, this, and many others.

See what we use God's name for, if we let it alone we get these false pretenses that surely no god would approve of?
 
Whoa, those people are seriously out of it. If they don't like how life goes on here in the U.S, then they should either go to another country, or shut the heck up.
 
Leon Kang said:
Whoa, those people are seriously out of it. If they don't like how life goes on here in the U.S, then they should either go to another country, or shut the heck up.
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Yeah, dump your crap onto another country where they'll start the same rubbish. These people need to learnt to respect the dead and their families.
 
"Love thy neighbor as thy self". Do this, and you're already practicing half of Christianity. These people are clearly failing at following this simple rule, and they're not following the third commandment, either.
 
I have heard about this... words can't describe how angry this made me. There needs to be an "unfortunate" accident for those people... if there are bad people out there who like bashing people up then go to jail for it, then target these people... i seriously wouldnt hate them for doing such acts to these bastards...
 
Hah. Those people came to my school once...
Apparently, they seek out highschools that house GSA clubs and start riots where they know the irritable teenagers will attack them.

These people live off of lawsuit money.
I think they should get real lives.
 
^ Get real lives? nah, they should go to jail for being a public nuisance... theyre gonna provoke someone to kill one day so its best to send them to jail where they cant piss the public off
 
.....instead of wasting their time endorsing a notion that no one in their right minds would support.
I mean, seriously, who would support something as preposterous as that?
If they truly are American, which I'm sure they're not, surely they know that 'doing the right thing' is an unspoken doctrine of many responsible citizens?
 
It's almost as bad as people who want to get rid of "Under God" in the Pledge of a Allegiance and people who think that "AD" and "BC" are unscientific.

They should all be sent on a barge to some desert island where they'll probably end up killing each other.
 
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What do you think about these people??? They are part of a church in Kansas that thinks God is killing our men over seas because we allow Homosexuals to live in the United States. Not "live" as in residential, but "live" as in be alive. 1 woman raised her 11 children to hate all homosexuals and "ANYONE" who supported the gay community in any way. Even people that wear rainbow colors as a sign of pride.
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I find them to be fine, upstanding citizens, and great believers of their own god. Hey, they're her kids, she can raise them to believe whatever the hell she wants. As long as they don't go out there and engage in criminal behaviour (i.e. torturing, beating, killing those of the supposed homosexual population) then it's fine. You may find this just a little hard to believe, but America has this silly little concept they like to practice known as, "free will".

Now, I know that this may seem foreign and scary, so I'll try to put it into terms you can understand. You see, basically, what this newfangled "free will" thing is, is basically that everyone, regardless of race, religion, gender, creed or colour can believe whatever it is they want. Anything! *Gasp shock* Amazing, I know right? Now, don't get carried away. This only means you can believe whatever it is you like, you should still exercise caution and common sense when making decisions or taking action. For instance, you have the right to hate the people you mention, and that's fine. You can even go out there and march, and rally to, oh I don't know, get them executed? You can even go out there pray until lightning rains down on their families, wiping them off of the face of this wonderful planet. Here's a thought, you can even go online, find a Final Fantasy Forum and start a hate thread (in the appropriate section) against them. However, you can't take matters into your own hands. You can't go out there strapped with Mac 11's, Ak's and the like and start mowing down these people.

From what you've posted (in your first post), they've done nothing wrong. They march, they exercise their freedom of speech, and apparently they stand up for what they believe in. As such, they're just people. People who have beliefs that may differ from yours, but they're still people. And I don't see one word (in the quoted post) written about them going out there and hurting anyone (they hurt peoples feelings, yes, but that's the peoples fault) or breaking any laws. As such, they're just normal peoples.

Neko-kid19 said:
It gets worse. These people actually go out and picket at soldiers funerals and shout "God hates America" and that the families of the currently fallen shouldn't mourn their deaths because they died fighting for "Fags".
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Oh no, the rights that those soldiers died protecting are being practiced, whatever shall we do?! Oh wait... That's stupid! XD I was getting upset because American soldiers died fighting to spread freedom to other countries, and yet that same freedom can't be practiced in their own country?! Gosh, how silly!

Maybe if these people started chucking rocks at the funeral processions, then this would be a bad thing. All I see is a bunch of people enjoying the freedoms afforded them by the blood of the dead.
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Gods "do-gooders" are pretty fucking fucked up right??? If this is what God wants, then I think I have better things to believe in.
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You know what, you're absolutely one hundred percent right. Because there is only God, right? And it's the God these people believe in, right? There's not even the slightest chance that maybe there's a whole bunch of other people who believe in a more merciful, tolerant and benevolent God, right? All of the religious gay people out there are so silly, right, because of their belief in a God who accepts them as who and for what they are?

In closing, I'd just like to say, that if another person expressing his or her thoughts offends so much so that it drives you to the depths of insanity, then perhaps you should leave this free country and relocate to a country where your school of thought, "Either think like I think or I'll hate you!!!" is more widely accepted. Perhaps you'd feel more at home serving under Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany? (I'm not saying Germans are Nazi's, I'm simply referring to the period of time when the Nazi party was in control of Germany)

Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
 
Wullfe, you're absolutely right that people should exercise their own freedoms, but, they should practice it to a certain extent if they know, which I'm sure they do, would offend massive amounts of people.

And, if they do continue practicing their freedoms, it would only be worse for everyone, hating people for hating and so on.
What this is is a bad thing, not because they're violating their freedoms, because they are not, but something that causes problems for the rest of us.
 
War, before I begin to address your comments (and, tearing you a new one in the process ;) ) you should know some things.

  1. I think you're a fine gentleman, sir.
  2. You're smart, and wise, I respect your opinion.
  3. I like you. I like you a lot. I want to touch you, inappropriately so, but this bullet point does not concern the matter at hand. (<= That last statement was a joke, you can relax people.)
That being said...
Warbourne said:
Wullfe, you're absolutely right that people should exercise their own freedoms, but, they should practice it to a certain extent if they know, which I'm sure they do, would offend massive amounts of people.
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The only restraint I believe people should exercise is to maintain a course of action that follows the path of the law. An opinion, no matter how offensive, should never have to be curbed. Allow me to cite slavery, as an example.

Were someone to say, "Hey, I think slavery is a brilliant idea. I love slavery. I think we should practice it often! Black people are less of a human being than white people!", I'm more than sure that everyone would immediately take that as an offensive opinion. However, it wasn't always like that. There was a time, not so long ago when slavery was a common practice. During those terrible times, slavery was not something that kids read in their history books, or a subject of a Spike Lee film, but rather a harsh reality.

Back then, were someone to say something along the lines of, "Hey, you know what... Slavery is wrong! I think we should abolish it!" then trust me, everyone around that person would immediately take offense to that. But someone did think that, and then someone said it, and then people acted on it, even though it, as you put it, "offended massive amounts of people". By, "offending massive amounts of people", we managed to get rid of the curse that was slavery.

What I'm trying to say is that just because you have a thought, or an idea that might offend someone else, be it one person or a hundred people, you should not bite your tongue. If people didn't say slavery was bad just because it would "offend massive amounts of people", then where would we be? What kind of a world would we live in?

Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
 
But this is not slavery.
And in the future, would it be right to say that, "Gee, soldiers died today ---- we should declare this day a national holiday." ?

From their point of view, of course, this is a moral right.
From most, as far as I've garnered from the posts in here, this is a moral wrong.

But why are they trying to get at soldiers, who are --- as far as I can see -- are not even part of the problem that they are trying to get at?
Are they trying to avoid the real reason --- the reason that they're too scared to target, that they knew would be offended and possibly fight back?
These soldiers are dead, or are so far away that they can't express immediate opinion.

In short, I think they're targeting the wrong group.
But they're 'plea' or whatever is working....I guess.

And chucking rocks at dead soldiers, in my opinion, goes against morals.
I would agree with you Wullfe, but 'throwing rocks' at their caskets doesn't really pass off as a good thing to me.
Whatever happened to morals?

But otherwise, I agree with your opinions on opinion itself.
And I accept opinion is a right and that we should express it freely, which is what I was trying to get at in my previous post.

Yes, I accept the fact that the world will change, but a world with people disrespecting the departed and insulting certain groups is not a good world at all.
A world with hate groups like these, who stemmed from this same event, would not be a good world.

Sure they exercise their opinions and freedoms, but respecting what others believe in is what should take precedence in my opinion.

In short, opinion is fine, but to an extent, well, at least for me.
Opinions have the ability to change things for good or for worse ---- sometimes with catastrophic results.
But this topic, is something that's headed to the bad, in terms of everyone involved.

We're not fighting a crusade here for the destruction of soldiers everywhere are we?
In fact, how can we?

P.S.
I like these opinion posts in the debate section.
Wullfe, you are ---- awesome!
 
Warbourne said:
But this is not slavery.
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No, but the point remains the same.

Warbourne said:
And in the future, would it be right to say that, "Gee, soldiers died today ---- we should declare this day a national holiday." ?
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That actually has happened... There are countless holidays across the world that were dedicated to dead soldiers...

Warbourne said:
From their point of view, of course, this is a moral right.
From most, as far as I've garnered from the posts in here, this is a moral wrong.

But why are they trying to get at soldiers, who are --- as far as I can see -- are not even part of the problem that they are trying to get at?
Are they trying to avoid the real reason --- the reason that they're too scared to target, that they knew would be offended and possibly fight back?
These soldiers are dead, or are so far away that they can't express immediate opinion.

In short, I think they're targeting the wrong group.
But they're 'plea' or whatever is working....I guess.
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This is only a guess, however, IMO, they're a proponent of the school of thought that "The ends justify the means". They feel that if they attack the soldiers families, they'll get what they want.

Warbourne said:
P.S.
I like these opinion posts in the debate section.
Wullfe, you are ---- awesome!
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Psh, tell me something I don't know. J/j, I jest. Indeed, I enjoy our debates as well, my friend. You make some sterling points. Have you ever considered being a lawyer? Or an activist?


Warm regards,
~The Legendary Wullfe
 
You both have interesting points... but personally I believe that if you have something very negative to say about a sensitive subject such as what those protestors have to say, they should just not make it public as it has the potential to spark the mind of an idiot to actually completely agree and take there hating to another level...

Neo Nazis for example... they have the freedom to peacefully say they hate blacks, jews etc, sure thats peaceful, but theres some idiot out there who will say "Yeah theyre right... Im gonna have to do something about them..." Or its gonna provoke some offended people to do something extreme... There's gotta a bit of common sense when it comes to freedom of speech. I agree with freedom of speech, but it should come to a point
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinon, regardless of how wrong that opinion may be. But these people take it way too far. I am all for freedom of speech, but they shouldn't be allowed to intrude on others lives like that, they should be ashamed of themselves.

This is yet another reason why religion is crap and should be scrapped. It gives wierdos like these the excuse to persecute others.
 
I agree with Clyde that this could indeed spark a chain reaction of events that are for the bad.
No matter how much opinion is pressed by these people, they really shouldn't go too far because:

1.) as I said, it could offend people
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2.) It's not respectful

Morals should always trandescend opinion in my opinion.
 
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