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well, i have recently been playing through FFX AGAIN and after getting Bahamut, i noticed something that i found a bit suspect. there are 3 elemental summons, but there are four elements.

you get Ifrit for fire, Shiva for ice and Ixion for thunder. WHERE THE HELL IS THE WATER AEON???

so, what i am here to ask you guys is,

would you have liked to see a Water Aeon in FFX. somebody who could heal themselves using water, watera and Wateraga[sp] ??
 
Well, a Water Aeon would have been Leviathan, surely? After playing the earlier Final Fantasy games, I thought that there was a noticeable lack of Leviathan in FFX, especially considering, like you said, there is already a Fire, Ice and Thunder Aeon...
 
Weeeeeellllll....you kinda DID have a water elemental, she just wasn't on her own. Cindy wasn't it? The rather large Magus sister?

I didn't even think about the abscence of a water one, I was quite happy with what was just there really.
 
Yea, one of the magus sisters was tipped towards water,

BUT!!

1. She wasn't on her own
2. she wasn't healed by getting a water spell cast on her
3. you didn't have 100% control over her actions like you did with Ifrit, Shiva and Ixion.

yea, it probably would have been Leviethan, although it could have also been Famfrit or Poseidon.

I believed that adding another temple to the journey would have been beneficial as it would have added another dark Aeon, and also another part to the Yu Yevon battle which IMO would have been amazing.
 
Welll...not really. If there was a real need for a Water one, it would have been implemented really. And the Yu Yevon battle...couldn't be made amazing tbh. It was a poor excuse for a final battle, seeing as throughout you were just instantly equipped with Auto-Life, so adding another Aeon...well, doubt it'd have made a difference.

Don't think they would have added Famfrit - look at his history, he's only really been used in Tactics. If he'd been used outside the Tactics world, I'd have been ok with it. If they used in X, welll..it'd feel odd having him there.
 
yea, i suppose your right, the final battle was a bit bad, but i did enjoy haveing the Auto-Auto-life, was really interesting, but then again my characters had the auto-phoenix ability on most of their armour so it didn't really matter to me.
 
Water is my favourite element so when I aquired all aeons I wasn't too happy. At the beggining I thought that Bahamut was going to be water. Nope. Then for some bizzare reason I thought Anima was water. Seeing the temple was underwater (sort of). Wrong. Then, as my last hope I though that the Magus Sisters will be water element. Well you know the rest.
Aeons are mainly there to fight monsters and sometimes even Sin. Since Sin and its sinspawn appear from the sea it would make it immune to water. Besides, there are not many fiends weak to this element apart from Thunder Plains.
 
When was fighting the Final Battle with Seymour with the Elemental Grid was kind of thinking when Seymour went into the Thunder Element that it would be nice to summon a Water Aeon.;) But maybe they skipped out a Element to make the game a little harder ?

Maybe they were worried if we all had summons that belonged to all four of the elements that battles and boss battles like the Final Seymour one would be too easy ?


 
Dunno, maybe so :gasp:

Laro...there's no reason to suggest Bahamut would have been Water anyway...throughout FF history, he's just been a meaty Non-Elemental dragon ;D
 
Misty said:
Dunno, maybe so :gasp:

Laro...there's no reason to suggest Bahamut would have been Water anyway...throughout FF history, he's just been a meaty Non-Elemental dragon ;D
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MEH :gasp:
there's always that one little, microscopic, almost invisible chance he might be water :wacky:
 
Actually the water element tends to be under-represented. The first time that you can cast Waterga or Watera is FFX and is the only one. So if you consider the history of FFs it's not unusual for their not to be a water aeon.
Also the Magus sisters represented Black magic, White magic and Physical attacks, I don't think that they were elemental at all really.
 
I found it a little weird that there was no water Aeon. Sure water tends to be under represented in FF games. But still, Leviathan was in almost every FF game up until FFX. So I'm a bit surprised they decided not to include Leviathan as a water summon given that Leviathan is one of the more popular summons.
 
killiancurse21 said:
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wat?

The whole game seems to revolve around water and stuff, so it does seem abit odd that there isnt a water based aeon...but maybe that's why there isn't one, Sin lives in water and shit, and likes to wreck things with his watery ways, maybe people just don't like water? 'Course I could be chatting complete bollocks, Owait, a water aoen would be pretty useless to use against sin so maybe that's why?

I know there's the Final Aoen, but that's not really common knowledge, so as far as the people and temples are aware, a water aeon just...wouldn't be sensible, would it?
 
You know, I was a little surprised that Baaj temple ended up being Anima. I thought, since it was underwater and all, it would have been perfect as a water aeons temple, since the other elemental aeons had temples which matched their element -

Ifrit - Kilika Temple had a fire-based cloister of trials.
Ixion - Djose Temple was all electic, and again, cloister of trails was electricity based.
Shiva - Macalania Temple was all ice based.

I don't know, it seemed like Baaj could have been a water aeon, and there could have been a longer sidequest to get Anima, one where we could have found out more about Seymour. It just seemed a little random and tacked on to me.
 
Do we know if Baaj was always underwater though? or did it just like...collapse and end up down there and like, she just chose to become a fayth there, or was put there or whatever because it was secluded? I wonder what it was before it was ruins, coz like, Anima hasnt been an aeon for long really has she...bah, I hate when I start thinking, i confuse myself
 
Because I'm anal and like to see balance and consistency, I was very surprised to see there wasn't a water Aeon. After I had gotten Ixion I was thinking "sweet, now I'll get the water Aeon, which I assume is Leviathan in this game as well", well it turns it's not because it doesn't exist.

Whether it's because Sin tends to dwell in water, I don't know. I mean an Aeon is an Aeon, whether it's helpful against Sin or helpful for other means. I know FFVIII basically focused on Fire, Ice and Thunder as the basic, primary elements, then there were other "less basic" elements and Water was one of them, but this theme was consistent the whole game. FFX treated water as the 4th basic element, and there were no other elements. Just for consistency sake I didn't like the fact that there wasn't a water Aeon, but then again, I never really analyzed why that was.

I think Stevie's observation of Baaj Temple being the home of a water Aeon is a pretty good one. It's possible during the development, they intended to have a water Aeon and for whatever reason decided against it. If I have to guess, they couldn't find a way to tie Baaj Temple into a storyline area that the party would cross during the pilgrimage. I think they could have done so the same way as they did when they arrived at Bikanel Island, they just could have made it happen before Bikanel, but then they would have to find a way to carry the party to Bikanel and thats 2 really close Sin encounters (really close timewise). Plus there was no significant value with Baaj Temple, there was no population there or around there. So I'm not totally sure, but I think a water Aeon was in the original plan and they decided against it and we'll probably never know why.
 
Hmmm i never though of that actually. I suppose seeing as you have the other 3 it would make sense to have a water based Aeon, although not having one gives you an advantage if you were to fight them using magic.
I guess if they put one on leviathan would be the one they would pick, although id prefer new aeons like Ixiion and Valefor.
 
I really wanted a water Aeon! The game felt rather incomplete without one, in fact. I wouldn't have minded an Earth Aeon either... we've had them before *pouts* We just needed more Aeons, that's all. Water, Earth, a nice Gravity one, and... what else...? Oh, maybe a wind? I'm a serious advocate of Aeons. We need MOAR!

But back on topic here, Levithan would have been the obvious choice, but I wouldn't have minded seeing a new one either.

Off topic again - RAMUH! I want him back -_-
 
There's also the fact that you can't really explore Spira like you can with others. In FFVIII there are plenty of optional GFs, Leviathan is a semi- secret one in that. There probably is one in FFX too, you just can't get it because so much of the map is left unexplored.
 
FFX treated water as the 4th basic element, and there were no other elements.
Yes there is - Holy.
Sure, there's only one attack that uses it (and only two enemies in the game use it, one of which you can only use aeons against - meaning the only enemy that properly uses it is Ultima Weapon), you can't get resistance to it, but it's still an element. Try casting it against Penance, he absorbs it. Try casting it against Evrae Altana, he's weak to it. It's a full-blown element.
 
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