Would you trade your own reality for your current own?

[Korytco]

Ok , what I mean is if you could simulate your own reality , and live in your own creation for the rest of your life would you ? Even if you knew it was all a big lie, or fake atleast beyond your self aware simulation ....before it wore off , the awareness would eventually ware off prob.

If you were hooked up to life support and totally unaware of the "real world" around you would you trade reality for a virtual simulation of perfection where you could go and play God?

Or is the reality you have, and the sense that what you are experiencing is truly real too great, significant to trade for your own fantasy reality ? Would you rather live in a world where things are not always your way or not in idea of as they should be ? Reality as we know it ?

If you could chose to escape, and leave this reality and live the rest of your life in a virtual trade in would you ?

Would you trade in even knowing that in your "old reality " that your body could be starved or being stared at by strangers, old wrinkled ...whatever?

Or would you need the security of your before reality, the concepts behind it . Your "real appearance" your "real health ". Would you not be able to leave all that behind?


If there is life after death on a side note I would say it is certainly some what like this . Or will be.

You can to an extent already make your own reality , but it wont ever be fantasy . I am talking about trading this life for another one far beyond this one. Something entirely new, and different, a "different reality ".A "different way of living ".

Could you leave behind this life to trade it for a world , reality of your own ? Or do you need your mortal imperfections of this reality regardless of all your complaints, and envy to and against those imperfections to be happy ?

Do you need your imperfect health to make you appreciate life and feel secure ?

Do you need your aging image, the security that you have been preparing for and facing death all your life?

Do you need all these things and more ? Or could you happily trade this reality to live inside a virtual world of your own for the rest of your life ?

 

[Rockman X]

This reminds me of some movie where all these people were in some rave-party looking building, and they'd each go into a room and get into this device that put them in their own virtual reality world, and there was this one chubby businessman who was surrounded by digital wimminz. I think it was Minority Report, but I can't be sure...

Um, anyway, you're basically asking us if we could make our own reality in our heads, whether by virtual manipulation or some other means, would we choose to live in it? No. What the hell would the point of that be? I'd rather make the most of this reality and take the bad spots as they come then hiding in a fake world. That just seems so emo and cowardly to do. If you're not secure enough to accept aging and imperfect, then you should grow some balls and learn to take things in stride, "escaping" to a digital world isn't going to solve anything. The very fact that you posed this makes me wonder if you're so insecure that you want to hide from this reality.

 

[SaShman]

Ok , what I mean is if you could simulate your own reality , and live in your own creation for the rest of your life would you ? Even if you knew it was all a big lie, or fake atleast beyond your self aware simulation ....before it wore off , the awareness would eventually ware off prob.

Short Answer: No

Long Answer: I would much rather live a life that I knew was real, if I was to live the rest of my life in a virtual reality, I would find it rather depressing because it would make my real life pretty pointless. I'd be about as useful as a dead body in the real world while I lived out my fantasy world, so in a way it would be kind of selfish to choose to live in my fantasy world.

If you were hooked up to life support and totally unaware of the "real world" around you would you trade reality for a virtual simulation of perfection where you could go and play God?

Again no, If I were totally unaware of the real world I probably wouldn't have the consciousness to care whether or not I was living in perfection. But assuming I did have consciousness I still wouldn't want to live in a fantasy world, I would much rather accept the reality that I was hooked on life support.

Note: If you get the chance you should watch/read Johnny Got His Gun, its kind of relevant to this particular topic, plus its a pretty good film (I haven't read the book though) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun

You can to an extent already make your own reality , but it wont ever be fantasy . I am talking about trading this life for another one far beyond this one. Something entirely new, and different, a "different reality ".A "different way of living ".

Well all the time I wish that I could fly, or that I had super speed and shizz like that . But at the same time I realize that if I was able to fly (as in, if it was normal for a human being to fly) than I probably wouldn't care because it would be as normal as walking. Imagine if humans were sea creatures, then everyone would wish they could walk on land.

The point I'm getting at, is that it would be impossible to create a perfect world because there would always be something missing.

could you happily trade this reality to live inside a virtual world of your own for the rest of your life ?

No, I can't think of any reason why I would want to live in a fantasy world, besides that's what dreams are for

 

[Donald Trump]

What you are talking about is being delusional. The only advantage of being delusional(from my point of view) is that you don't know that you are insane.
Either you are asking would you rather live in a fantasy world or in reality, or you haven't thought this through.
If people can see us for what we really are, then the normal laws of nature apply, a key one to consider here is that if you don't drink you die in three days. And in this delusional world you can't interact with other people, so you die.

If however you mean would I rather live in the real world, or create a world as I see fit where I dictate what happens, then I'd say I don't know. Whilst constantly being happy/high/drunk sounds fun, it would get repetitive. But then I suppose I could erase all previous memories of it happening, but then I'd keep doing that and nothing would ever develop.

So the answer is no. I rather like my world and my life, so I don't see the need to change.

 

[Rockman X]

If however you mean would I rather live in the real world, or create a world as I see fit where I dictate what happens, then I'd say I don't know. Whilst constantly being happy/high/drunk sounds fun, it would get repetitive. But then I suppose I could erase all previous memories of it happening, but then I'd keep doing that and nothing would ever develop.

So the answer is no. I rather like my world and my life, so I don't see the need to change.

Quite agree. I'm not sure I'd even be capable of creating an entire world, I don't think I'm creative enough. Now if say, I could jump from "dimension" to "dimension" or w/e you want to call it, like say be in a FF world one day, then be in Marvel comics' world the next, that would be kinda cool. But even then, I'd probably always come back to this reality.

I'm relatively content with my life atm, if somehow I could create a different reality for myself, I think all I'd do with it is put myself in a different state. I don't feel like "escaping" from anything, I've matured enough to where I take everything in stride, and I'm pretty well-off in the first place.

 

[Onusha]

Ok , what I mean is if you could simulate your own reality , and live in your own creation for the rest of your life would you ? Even if you knew it was all a big lie, or fake atleast beyond your self aware simulation ....before it wore off , the awareness would eventually ware off prob.

If you were hooked up to life support and totally unaware of the "real world" around you would you trade reality for a virtual simulation of perfection where you could go and play God?

No, never. The right attitude would be to strive to change the world we live in now. The idea of "escaping to some magical pixie land where you're constantly happy and can drink coffee and milk from rivers and croissants drop from the sky just by opening your mouth is the attitude of Christians/Muslims/Jews and drug addicts, and if you aren't willing to work to change this world you have no right to live in it because you are a parasite.

No, I can't think of any reason why I would want to live in a fantasy world, besides that's what dreams are for

Very true. The romanticism of our dreams enable us to shape our reality toward such beauty only if we believe in them.

 

[Soul Saver]

No. You cannot escape from "reality", after all. I would rather be discontent and know the truth, than hide behind an illusion. Of course, I wouldn't know that it was an illusion... so it wouldn't matter.
Most evidence points to our current reality being "real".
Reality will eventually creep in, anyway. The computers running such a virtual reality will eventually fail.

Oh, and welcome back Korytco.

 

[Korytco]

Don't forget though that you have no idea what this reality truly is to begin with. Who is to say that at birth as another individual that you did not create this life through some sort of decisions ? Who is to say that you are not hooked up to a simulation ? How do you know ?

Who is to say that this not a fantasy world ? Its just a way to exist . That does not mean it has to be the only way to exist . If dissected who knows what we found find, what is this reality ?

Who would say that you have to create it all at once either ? A world of such could evolve before you . Step by step, choice by choice, thought by thought.

The point of this thread is that all your human imprefections exist in this reality, in the end they are gone. You learn to value life from them because you learn to become accomplished and worthy of life as you work beyond them.

And this reality is not explained nor anymore real than it is beyond death itself which is yet another mystery .

The point is that none of you could trade all your lively imperfections for another sort of existence . You are all clueless as to why you have this existence. Wether you say its God or magic ...whatever. You do not know how or why you are here. What I purpose could be just as real as the reality you have now.


Why do you need dreams if they are not real though ? What if they were real because you never had to dream ? What if your best dreams were just your greatest moments that truly meant something ?

No though, none of you would trade for that existence WHY? Becuase you can not leave behind everything in this reality. Things that include all that you despise and hate. Deep down inside you need it all, just as much as you need your age , and the fact that you will die, just as much as you need your imperfect health. You need all of this and would not trade it for another reality .


EVEN IF A BETTER REALITY IF YOU KNEW WHY YOU EXISTED YOU WOULD PROB BE TOO AFRAID TO EXIST AT ALL

No. You cannot escape from "reality", after all. I would rather be discontent and know the truth, than hide behind an illusion. Of course, I wouldn't know that it was an illusion... so it wouldn't matter.
Most evidence points to our current reality being "real".
Reality will eventually creep in, anyway. The computers running such a virtual reality will eventually fail.

Oh, and welcome back Korytco.

Thank you .

We, humans say all things must come to an end but that is a theory that has not yet tested everything .

 

[FF7Guru]

No. Definitely not. Reason being that I don't like being in strange surroundings. I prefer "living on my home turf". Otherwise, I'd get homesick. And bored. Or, at least, more bored than usual, doing what I want all the time. Maybe brief escapes for fun, but that would be it.

 

[Korytco]

No. Definitely not. Reason being that I don't like being in strange surroundings. I prefer "living on my home turf". Otherwise, I'd get homesick. And bored. Or, at least, more bored than usual, doing what I want all the time. Maybe brief escapes for fun, but that would be it.

But could you really be bored if all you knew, saw seen, heard was all you wanted ? If it continuously evolved then you would never even be aware it was happening. Even if what you wanted was to sleep on a beach as opposed to meeting Elvis .

There would be no moments of boredom , or would there be?

What if it were all subconscious but true >?

Homesick, that is a part of this thread . Thanks for the reply .

 

[Korytco]

Go back to that pseudo-philosophical Matrix toss, please.

I have never seen the matrix I have played video games , and dreamed as easy as that. I know what it is but I think this concept is pretty basic . I can post here if I want to , and if you think it's nonsense then please doctor katsky tell us what reality is and is not .

It's your choice to post in this thread, not mine for you.

 

[Onusha]

I have never seen the matrix I have played video games , and dreamed as easy as that. I know what it is but I think this concept is pretty basic . I can post here if I want to , and if you think it's nonsense then please doctor katsky tell us what reality is and is not .

I don't claim to know all universal truths but such philosophical concepts are just draconian and illogical.

I really don't mean to be rude but we're not in the 5th century BC anymore, grow up.

It's your choice to post in this thread, not mine for you.

You think?

 

[Korytco]

I know it to be true, I do not think.

LOL no one logically knows why we exist ...so ....yah and why are some philosophers in history some of the most logical , most brilliant people of history ?

Are you kidding me philosophy is at the heart , start of some of the greatest discoveries. Hypothesis to theory .

You are a tarot reader !? LOL please....enough said .

 

[Onusha]

I know it to be true, I do not think.

LOL no one logically knows why we exist ...so ....yah and why are some philosophers in history some of the most logical , most brilliant people of history ?

Oh lord... What has "Why do we exist" have to do with anything? You've completely derailed the subject, first you were advocating solipsism and now you're talking about teleology. Pick which one you want to discuss already.

Are you kidding me philosophy is at the heart , start of some of the greatest discoveries. Hypothesis to theory .

The reason no modern prominent philosopher after Descartes has advocated solipsism was because it is so sodding ridiculous and makes anyone who does advocate it look like they were beaten as children and have deep psychological issues.

You are a tarot reader !? LOL please....enough said .

Although I do read Tarot I don't see the relevance.

 

[Korytco]

Oh lord... What has "Why do we exist" have to do with anything? You've completely derailed the subject, first you were advocating solipsism and now you're talking about teleology. Pick which one you want to discuss already.



The reason no modern prominent philosopher after Descartes has advocated solipsism was because it is so sodding ridiculous and makes anyone who does advocate it look like they were beaten as children and have deep psychological issues.



Although I do read Tarot I don't see the relevance.

Why we exist very well may be the same thing as how we exist . The thread is not off topic.....perhaps for you but certainly not for me. Shouldn't you use words that everyone should know,and understand , not just big words to feel important that you learned at school in some debate class or books you read ?

I happily admit I have no idea what the hell "solipsism and now you're talking about teleology." means and I was not discussing either in such a matter because I never brought such words up....if anything you are derailing the topic in that respect by using words and definitions, trying to generalize the subject in your mind as to what it is defined as .

I never defined it into generalized words that can be chosen with bias . I have no idea what the hell those words even mean.

After looking the word solipsism up I see no real way it at all relates to what I was saying. I was talking about perception of reality, not that reality was all of one mind.

Philosophy is creative thinking, outside the box thinking. You shun me, and jab at me for talking about creation , and purpose and whatever it is that I am on about and yet you read magical cards and put faith into those cards and expect me to take you seriously ?

"makes anyone who does advocate it look like they were beaten as children and have deep psychological issues" Sure this doesn't better fit you ? AS you try to find real answers, security in a bunch of cards?

 

[Soul Saver]

Quite frankly, we have absolutely no evidence suggesting that we do not live in the "real" world. That is not to say that it is not possible, but it is an extremely minute, negligable possibility. The existence of God is much more possible.

Solipsism is the idea that the outside world is an illusion, a creation of one's mind, and only the individual exists. A load of tripe, I agree.

Creative thinking? Write a book.

 

[Rockman X]

Don't forget though that you have no idea what this reality truly is to begin with. Who is to say that at birth as another individual that you did not create this life through some sort of decisions ? Who is to say that you are not hooked up to a simulation ? How do you know ?

Don't tell me you buy into this bullshit. The most obvious and basic way to figure out that this is reality is our five senses. This keyboard I'm typing on is solid, I can feel it when I press the keys. I can see your nonsensical posts and reply to them. Come on, what we're living right now is reality, you have to be so fucking desperate for a different life or just crazy to believe that this is some simulation.

Who is to say that this not a fantasy world ? Its just a way to exist . That does not mean it has to be the only way to exist . If dissected who knows what we found find, what is this reality ?

Well I can daydream all I want about living in Spira, but that hasn't magically inserted me into Spira. So um, this IS the only way to exist, unless you wanna bring the afterlife into this...but nobody knows for sure that exists either, we don't have dead people coming back here to visit us.

Who would say that you have to create it all at once either ? A world of such could evolve before you . Step by step, choice by choice, thought by thought.

That's called altering your own reality mah boi, not creating a new one. You're simply making choices and decisions to affect the world around you.

The point of this thread is that all your human imprefections exist in this reality, in the end they are gone. You learn to value life from them because you learn to become accomplished and worthy of life as you work beyond them.

I thought the point of it was running away from our problems and imperfections, that's what you implied in the first post.

And this reality is not explained nor anymore real than it is beyond death itself which is yet another mystery .

I've always thought science has done a pretty good job explaining this reality, especially chemistry.

The point is that none of you could trade all your lively imperfections for another sort of existence . You are all clueless as to why you have this existence.

And yet in your first post you were asking what we would do if we could trade our imperfections for another existence. Stop changing your mind.

Why do you need dreams if they are not real though ? What if they were real because you never had to dream ? What if your best dreams were just your greatest moments that truly meant something ?

Short answer for you, taken from this lovely site for kids, I figure that should explain it easily enough for you to understand.

This theory of sleep suggests that sleep helps the body recover from all the work it did while an animal was awake. Experiments have shown that the more physical exercise an animal does, the more NREM an animal will have. Also, if people are deprived of NREM by waking them up each time they get to stage 4 sleep, then they complain of being physically tired. If people are deprived of REM sleep by waking them up each time the have REM type EEG patterns, they can get anxious and irritable. If animals are deprived of REM for several days and then allowed to get an undisturbed period of sleep, animals will go into "REM rebound" - this is when REM periods of sleep will happen more often and for a longer time than normal.

Sleep, especially REM sleep, has also been thought to be important for memory and learning. It is possible that sleep helps form memories.

REM (rapid eye movement) sleep is when you dream. I suggest you read that page, then retake a science class and educate yourself instead of buying into all this psuedo-pyschological bullshit.

No though, none of you would trade for that existence WHY? Becuase you can not leave behind everything in this reality. Things that include all that you despise and hate. Deep down inside you need it all, just as much as you need your age , and the fact that you will die, just as much as you need your imperfect health. You need all of this and would not trade it for another reality .

Really? I thought it had something to do with us being relatively content with our lives and being adult enough to cope with things instead of having to forge a different reality.

EVEN IF A BETTER REALITY IF YOU KNEW WHY YOU EXISTED YOU WOULD PROB BE TOO AFRAID TO EXIST AT ALL

And who are you to say that?

Thank you .

You're not welcome. Why do you keep spacing before your periods? That's now how they work.

We, humans say all things must come to an end but that is a theory that has not yet tested everything .

I'm pretty sure death proves everything comes to an end. But if you die and somehow continue to go on, please feel free to post here and enlighten us all. Until then, get a grip on reality.

 

[Onusha]

Why we exist very well may be the same thing as how we exist .

Perhaps, but we're discussing the former currently.

Shouldn't you use words that everyone should know,and understand , not just big words to feel important that you learned at school in some debate class or books you read ?

Solipsism and Teleology and pretty basic concepts.

I happily admit I have no idea what the hell "solipsism and now you're talking about teleology." means and I was not discussing either in such a matter because I never brought such words up....

That's like saying just because I exterminated a whole town of people because they're a certain type of people, it wasn't genocide because I didn't use the term when directing their extermination.

if anything you are derailing the topic in that respect by using words and definitions, trying to generalize the subject in your mind as to what it is defined as . I never defined it into generalized words that can be chosen with bias .

Oh lord...

After looking the word solipsism up I see no real way it at all relates to what I was saying. I was talking about perception of reality, not that reality was all of one mind.

You were saying "we have no way of knowing that everything outside of our mind exists in any real way", thus the base of solipsism.

You shun me, and jab at me for talking about creation , and purpose and whatever it is that I am on about

Quote me where I "jab at you" for talking about creation/purpose/etc... please.

and yet you read magical cards and put faith into those cards and expect me to take you seriously ?

You know, fighting fire with fire doesn't usually work well...

"makes anyone who does advocate it look like they were beaten as children and have deep psychological issues" Sure this doesn't better fit you ?

Well yeah... it really does. That's why I'd make a terrible leader.

AS you try to find real answers, security in a bunch of cards?

78 cards with pretty pictures on them I'll have you know.

 

[Korytco]

IF I thought I had all the answers I would not argue . I like to see your input.

Rockman no need to get offensive. Even I would understand, a kid's site ? You are still using the understanding of apples to apples, I am purposing a reality of apples from now and here to oranges there in the alternative .

Apples to oranges, not apples. You do not need sleep if you have advanced programming or body changes to not need it....you can function differently in different reality .


It is by far a lack of understanding of my own reality, not was this thread originally meant to battle such a thing, it was to choose between this reality and another plain and simple via a few extra details.

Who says life must end after death, but this is not about that. Just because you did does not mean reality does . I never meant to suggest that . Ghosts whatever....heaven

There are many things science is yet to explain and maybe can not .

I am going to watch a movie with family I have to cut back on the net haha.

 

[der Astronom]

Just to clear up a few things:

Science does not "prove" that reality exists, but assumes that what we discover and learn about the real world is real. It doesn't concern itself with asking whether or not what we are observing is real, only with what the properties of the natural world as far as we can observe are. Whether or not reality is "real" is a philosophical question, but because there is no evidence, the philosophy is inconclusive. But actually, that's true for most philosophies. It's just stuff that people conjecture and think about, but in the end, it's nowhere near as rigorous as a mathematical proof or as consistent as a scientific study; all you have to do is imagine something, and then it's philosophy.

What I think Korytco wants to know is the meaning of the words "Solipsism" and "Teleology", though I think it's already been implied that solipsism is the philosophical idea that the reality we exist in is only a simulation. It's a possibility, but without the evidence, we can say nothing about it.

It doesn't bother me if the reality as we know it isn't the reality we think it is. If I have lived my life in nothing more than a simulation or in nothing more than a dream, then so be it; it's just a simulation or it's just a dream, and I did what I would have done anyways. If it isn't, then that's just what we've expected.