A Question for all you Christians.

[The Witch]

^Raistlin Majere- According to the Bible, God will judge you by your actions. That's the reason we all deserve hell, because none of us have a leg to stand on when our lives are put under the microscope. The whole point of Christ is to give us a way to salvation apart from the law. You'll never make it on your own unless you're 100% good, 100% of the time. If you are, great. Christ came to save sinners, not righteous men. If you're perfect, then you really have nothing to worry about. If you aren't, you might want to take another look at his offer.

^Rydia- Christ cannot simply be a good person for Christianity to be true. He HAS to be divine. He has to be the Son of God. Otherwise, Christianity is a lie.

Wow! This post is amazingly written. Good job and I agree.

I really, REALLY, hate the Atheists that are all, "religion, ha" and then look down on people. So it's good that people can see that not all Atheists are condescending pricks.

I agree. I try to speak to my father as kindly as possible when speaking about God and Jesus. If I paint a bad picture of Christianity for him, he'll never come to Christ. And I need him to come to Christ... So anytime I speak to an athiest, I'll always try and speak respectfully, that way they can see the kindness Jesus and God brings to people's lives.

 

[Prince Oberyn Martel]

Christians shouldn't look down on people for anything, afterall they are 'Christian', they should forgive.

Western religion thesedays is bullshit anyway. Especially Christianity. I see little value in something that gets changed every 5 mins to please people who don't like certain aspects they are supposed to follow.

 

[Pandora]

I'm a Christian Scientist (At the core of Christian Science is the teaching that God and God's creation are entirely good and spiritual, and that God has made all things in his likeness.), and one of my biggest wishes is for everyone to accept everyone for who they are, no matter skin color, interests, gender, sexuality, or religion. I have friends of all kinds of religions, including Atheists, Wiccan, Roman Catholic, and others, and we get along just fine. Heck, some of them are my best friends, and we respect each other for our beliefs. Now for one, I personally don't like the way that some atheists can totally shove the most blunt things about what they feel down our throat, and look down on us; but I usually try my best to tolerate them - for as long as a person is nice to me and doesn't try and convert my beliefs, I will be a good friend to them. My grandfather is a Jehova's Witness (and has for 3 years and counting been trying to make me one) and his opinions are WAY different than mine, but if I tell him some of my own, he may think of me as stupid or ignorant - which really annoys me. I really do see him as someone that can't accept the fact that people are different and not all of them are going to agree with his ways. I certainly don't. I just wish we could all just get along. Who cares what a person believes? It's his or her opinion and that's all it'll ever be.
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[Stoic Hero]

If that's the way religion is being pitched now days, no offense, but as a Christian I would be fraking depressed.

It's a depressing world, mate. Christianity really is a religion for outcasts, sinners, failures, fools...Christians (true ones, anyway) suck. We're hopeless. Except for one hope, Christ, who can help us with our problems.

I would love-you really have no idea HOW MUCH I would love- to tell you that I'm a hero. To tell you that I'm a great person, that I understand God's love, that I want what's best for everyone...the truth is man, I'm flawed. I can't fight sin and win. I've lost many, many battles against it.

Christianity isn't about winning battles. It's more focused on winning the war. In fact, most Christians probably lose all of their battles. The only true way to receive Christ is to give up. Say "I just can't do it alone" and put it all on him. That's what Christianity is all about. It's not about being the best person. It's not about proving yourself. It's about letting go. Accepting the fact that you're a sinner, and asking for a change. You'll get it.

Atheists and Christians aren't that different, really. We're all human. Take an honest look at yourself. If you're truly happy with what you see, maybe you really don't need Christ, or any other "perfect" model. I just can't honestly say that I'm the good, perfect person I appear to be. And I need help. Christ is the first to offer me redemption through grace. No one else promises me that losing is the way to winning. That it doesn't matter how hard I try, I'll never be "good enough." He accepts me like I am now. Exactly as I am now.

 

[Demon]

Christianity isn't about winning battles. It's more focused on winning the war. In fact, most Christians probably lose all of their battles.

Point = live a lackluster life because your reward will knock your socks off? Are there any other ways to look at it?

 

[Stoic Hero]

You shouldn't stop trying just because Christ's grace will save you. That's not love. You're taking advantage of Christ. No, if you truly love Christ, then your actions will prove it.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Dude your in love with an imaginary guy!?

Apparently he is in love with you as well, My arguments need no structure because your kind are too narrow minded in your beliefs to change your beliefs on any point about th fundamental aspect of my point.

God does not exist..........its really very simple and you cant really argue made up stuff,
christianity is a failing enterprise based on belief of a central deity who preaches certain ways to live and is no longer revered by the masses as it once was.

Falling and Weak............and its listless people like you who cling to archaic beliefs and want exist in a universe in a bottle, yeah thats right l said listless.

Morality maybe based upon religious fabrications but it still just a way to live and treat others most off the other stuff is useless but morality is personal aspect, Laws are what govern society and we interpret those laws how we see fit.

You will notice the decline of society as we move away from the precepts laid out
by religion, but this is just a natural part of societal growth........its been measured by scientist and not just made up, so it must be true?

You can keep your guidance........I have no need for it.

Hmm.. there is no proof that God doesn't exist. Lemme prove it to you: search anywhere in any library, website, whatever- you won't find any.
Science has not overturned theism. I wish people would stop pretending like it has_

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

@lionheartcs - No offense, but if I was a Christian, that would make me feel insanely depressed. However, to get back on topic... You're obviously a Christian, how do you, personally, feel about Atheists? (Also, if you could answer the questions brought up in the original post, that would be awesome. )

@sum1sgruj - Same goes for you. I would like to see your input on the matter.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Raistlin sorry for Derailing your thread dude.......my bad.
but its gonna go this way any way so start it early I say.

There is proof and it exist there in the bible...........of course if you believe the bible and crap chances are you to narrow minded to understand what I mean, genralising is not usually my way.....but I can make an exception for religion.

The bible is a primitive way f live that should not exist anymore the need to affiliate with a central deity as an abomination to me and the the rest of humanity even f they dont know it..........Imagine if in the end all the worship and wars and praying and deaths caused by religion amounted to Squat.

Billions of people praying to the sky for nothing in return, at least if they were praying to the Sky you could say it was real even if it gave you nothing you prayed for, its there and you can see it.

Your gods offer no proof of there existence, faith may sway the weak minded in believing, but the existence of god is not even worth discussing IMO its fallacy and non existence........and yes 1 billion people can be wrong!

They just wont find out until they are dead...........sooner or later.

I read this stuff and makes me wonder if we are even the same fuckin species......rediculous.

 

[Stoic Hero]

Raistlin Majere- Atheists are human. I've sat around a campfire with Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Jews, Muslims...all at the same time. We discussed religion, and we all took something away from the experience. There wasn't any fighting or anything.

I don't treat an atheist any different than I do anyone else, honestly. Unless they start saying things like GalaxyFlare is saying.

GalaxyFlare, take a look at your comments and tell me who's narrow-minded. I mean, really. I can see what you're trying to say, that religion is the cause of wars and violence, but religion is only one reason people fight. If not that, it would be something else. Yes, we are the same species. I don't see what makes God's existence implausible? There's nothing in science contradicting God. In fact, everything we know about science suggests a creator. Are you feeling a bit jaded that God hasn't reached out to you? Or do you simply refuse to even entertain the thought that he might be real? I really have nothing against atheists, I just think that you're closing yourself off from any possibility because you're afraid you'll be wrong.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Your kidding right?............son dont try and convert me with your sorceress ways!

I fear nothing........accept spiders, and channi, she yells!
Its not my salvation in jeopardy or hanging from a precipice so worry about your self.

Yes I entertain no chance of your god existing, at all, ever..........I was saying wars started over religious reasons are ridiculous, yes we would fight for other reasons its in our nature, but wars that cost lives for gaining religious supremacy in the past and by some standard even today......is just a waste of life time and money.

I dont think you can even grasp what I am saying, if you could or did then you would see the useless nature of organized religion and grab you senses and get the hell out of you condensed life.

Dont offer me your salvation.......Creationism is not a science buster, is just the sme old practice of you people taking what exist outside of your religion and converting it towards your own ends: The Glory of the lord..........So no, no chance what so ever lol

Did you really say that?

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Science doesn't have a foothold on religion, and vice versa. It's a stalemate. We won't know anything more until we've dug out the entire workings of the universe. There's simply no way around that, and faith is the only thing to rely on. Quite literally, actually. It takes just as much on either side of the coin. Science condemns religion in a sense that there is no proof. Religion condemns science in a sense that there is no proof_ What you see based on observation is only part of the whole thing. A thousand years ago, we thought the world was flat. Today we see it's round. What will observation bring us tomorrow? There is no telling. It all just comes down to what you think. Science is still a baby, mankind just likes to think they know everything. It'll probably be the reason for our demise//

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Only reckless people or people that have there existence already handed to them is who think they know everything, from your perspective it might be a stalemate, but not from mine........science has it all over religion to the point that religion is no longer needed in this world.

How is science still a baby? in its earliest year it gave more insight to the scope of the universe than religion did inits first ever has! especially the christian religion, Worship and praying did not help us discover the atom or spectrographic resonance.........at its greatest point religion had us drilling holes in our heads to let the evil spirits escape LMAO.........thats insane!

So science is an ever changing field where as religion is stagnant and failing to be relevant in the modern world, or do you have some point to make? If all you have is more diatribe then leave me alone.

Entering an argument you are ill equipped to discuss is just reckless.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Only reckless people or people that have there existence already handed to them is who think they know everything, from your perspective it might be a stalemate, but not from mine........science has it all over religion to the point that religion is no longer needed in this world.

How is science still a baby? in its earliest year it gave more insight to the scope of the universe than religion did inits first ever has! especially the christian religion, Worship and praying did not help us discover the atom or spectrographic resonance.........at its greatest point religion had us drilling holes in our heads to let the evil spirits escape LMAO.........thats insane!

So science is an ever changing field where as religion is stagnant and failing to be relevant in the modern world, or do you have some point to make? If all you have is more diatribe then leave me alone.

Entering an argument you are ill equipped to discuss is just reckless.

But you see, that's where you're wrong. Science has contradicted itself many of times. We discovered the atom and concluded it to be an the smallest unit of mass. Then we discovered that they are made up of smaller particles, and that even those were made of smaller particles.
Then,, we realized that the quantum world follows a different set of laws than the universe at large. Without being able to bridge a connection, we can only conclude that we haven't figured out jack shit about physics other than finding atoms. Gravity is a mystery. Electricity and magnetism were unified into electromagnetism, but now that has become just a loose theory because it doesn't fit into any grand unification. There are theories that state that mass and energy are the same thing. Now tell me, how is a unit of light a particle and a wave at the same time? That is one of many embarrassing anomalies in science.

Trust me, I'm well equipped on the subject. Science, is in fact, still a baby. We haven't figured out too much. 90 percent of it is entirely theoretical. Without unification, science is has no points to make//

Furthermore, science is so young at this point that for all we know, science might just stumble upon a divine diety..

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

I can entertain the concept of a God, hell I did for 14 years of my life. However, I mean no offense when I say that I just found it all to be illogical, and once I started questioning it, I increasingly found it to be silly. I don't think there is a God, not in the slightest.

Richard Dawkins (Atheist activist) put it best when he said that you have about seven layers of Atheist. He personally said he was a six. Stating that even a hardcore Atheist such as him, can see that at the end of the day, either side could be wrong. That we could in fact, all be wrong. And if he was, he really was hoping that God could not be a douche about that whole "not believing" business.

I'm very much the same way. I find God, illogical, and a silly concept (once again, I'm not trying to sound like an ass here. XD). However, I'm not going to say that I'm correct, and everyone else should agree. I know that at the end of the day, I could be wrong. My outlook would be same if I was Christian, I could "know" he was real, but I would entertain the notion that he may not, and that I could have wasted years of my life praying to an invisible man in the sky. (Or maybe not, considering that the church I went to as a child literally told you that a scrap of doubt would get you sent straight to Hell.)

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Gruj The Unification energy of Electro Chromo dynamics is about 15,000,000 degrees so it is unified at some point we just dont know how?

How can you say it contradicts itself its very existence is about learning in either direction..........religion however is not.

Yes its all very good and well to say Atomic, sub atomic and quantum levels are not unified but how do you trace them back to god? is what I wanna know..........answer me that and the then I'll get what your about?

BTW A grand theory of unification is a nightmare to behold it consists of multiple POV and and there in lies the challenge of the unification process blah blah blah......

Furthermore, science is so young at this point that for all we know, science might just stumble upon a divine diety..

Would you pray to it if it didnt meet what was laid out in the Bible?

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Gruj The Unification energy of Electro Chromo dynamics is about 15,000,000 degrees so it is unified at some point we just dont know how?

How can you say it contradicts itself its very existence is about learning in either direction..........religion however is not.

Yes its all very good and well to say Atomic, sub atomic and quantum levels are not unified but how do you trace them back to god? is what I wanna know..........answer me that and the then I'll get what your about?

BTW A grand theory of unification is a nightmare to behold it consists of multiple POV and and there in lies the challenge of the unification process blah blah blah......

But you see, that's exactly my point. Is the main goal of science not to find a unification of all things in the universe or explain where it manifests from?

I'm not taking either side. Actually, I try to neutralize the concept. It's like two blind men arguing the color of their shirts. The only difference between science and religion is the idea that science has a hope of finding answers, whereas in religion, it's answers are already written. But when will science find it's answers? In a million years? Will mankind even strive long enough to find out scientifically? It won't be until one or the other happens that we uncover the ultimate truth_

And that's why I said this earlier: Mankind likes to think they know everything and that it will probably be the cause of our demise.
Whether theres a holy crusade or just a good old fashioned battle of the bulge, it all stems from that idea. We think we know more than the next person, and search for some justification so we don't sleep with our demons. If the Bible has one thing right, it's this: We're all sheep.
If Lucifer isn't the wolf, then our own biological fate is. If God isn't your sheperd, I'd start looking beyond super-symmetry and start putting more practical use to physics_

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Is the main goal of science not to find a unification of all things in the universe or explain where it manifests from?

Okay..........so then we should all just go home and wait for god huh?

Did you really just write that:Its not the main goal of science?
Yes project you views a million years into the future where no will argue with you, thats extremely logical.

The answers are already written? and you have no problem with that? spouting of scientific failure is very profound.........do you have a news letter I can subscribe to?

Its not the main goal of science lmao that is wacky statement.........I'm done here its a lost cause we are never going to agree on this, good talking to you, yeah thanks, thanks for the chat.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Okay..........so then we should all just go home and wait for god huh?

Did you really just write that:Its not the main goal of science?
Yes project you views a million years into the future where no will argue with you, thats extremely logical.

The answers are already written? and you have no problem with that? spouting of scientific failure is very profound.........do you have a news letter I can subscribe to?

Its not the main goal of science lmao that is wacky statement.........I'm done here its a lost cause we are never going to agree on this, good talking to you, yeah thanks, thanks for the chat.

Well we're talking about the ultimatum of reality, and it sure is hell is the goal of science. If that happened, there would be no more science. We would essentially be God. Do you see the irony in that? The probability of that happening is less than the chances that brought life to this planet in the first place.
Like I said, science has no foothold.
There is nothing wrong with being atheist. I, myself, am agnostic. I just wish that atheists were a bit more open-minded about the reality that we don't know everything. In all actuality, with my brand of logic, I couldn't be an atheist or theist. I respect the fact that we don't know all what we think we do. It's actually a lot less condemning than thinking we go to hell, or when we die nothing happens_

As much as I'm against ignorant bliss, I'm afraid we don't have too much choice, at least for those unwilling to put faith in a divine deity. Or those that are stubborn enough to completely disband the possibility. Simple logic can sway that concept. Maybe that's why religion started. Maybe that's why science started.
_And that's why I don't fully credit either. They are manifestations of the same thing.

 

[Morrigan]

I have no problem with them as long as they're not personally involved with me as far as telling me what to do and believe in.I hate all people that are fanatic.
I would call myself Christian,although not the conservative one.I just believe in it but I try not to let it blind me.I have my own judgement.
Anyone who is too fanatic and obssessed with their religion or what they believe in that try to shove it down someone else's throat makes me sick actually.
I don't enjoy being around people who try to dominate me and force their views into me,since I know very well I don't do it to others.
As far as Atheists go,there are some who are neutrals,nice ones,and bad ones.Just as much as you'll find,good,neutral and mean Christians and whatever other religion you want.
Religion doesn't change your nature,it certainly affects you to a great extend but doesn't affect the core of you.
Most of the people I know are atheists and I really enjoy being around them,since they happen to also be friends of mine.

I know that Christians have done many bad things in the past and still continue to do in the name of god,but I think it's people to be blamed for everything.We make the decisions to go to war,we make the decisions to hurt someone and enjoy it,we make the decision to believe in another human/or entity blindly.Sure in some cases it has been forced,religion that is but we forget that we are responsible for our own decisions.And no religion or how pure our purpose was,can actually justify the bad we have caused.
Maybe I went a bit off topic but that's what I wanted to say.