About the Story

They should have more plot twists those are always exciting. I kinda figured they would have a couple in this game since its about war and all and everyone is trying to do their own thing and such. One plot twist would be Larsa being assassinated! =O j/k that wouldn't be a good thing.
 
Judge Rulia said:
:P I am an Admin, pay attention to my title xD. I did play 8..I just didn't get what you meant that was all..

I have played many, you obviously don't seem to notice that I said in other FF's I don't think there any MAJOR plot twists in my opinion.
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you can be an admin with only 300 posts:O
 
Harbringer said:
you can be an admin with only 300 posts:O
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thats a good point a admin with only 300 posts

ff12 was one of a kind the only thing that was wrong with it was the plot or the story this is so sad if the plot was good this game might have been my favorite ff game
 
Yea 300 posts. What's wrong with that? Judge Rulia's one of the best of the mod team we've got here. Honestly I think you should appreciate the fact we have an admin nice enough to take a comment like "are you stoned stupid" and not ban your narrow ass. She does a damn good job. It pisses me off to see people question higher ups, especially when they're you two.

And would you at least attempt to stay on topic?
 
Harbringer said:
you can be an admin with only 300 posts:O
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I'm a global mod and I've only been here for a few weeks...a month tops...
Most of the staff have been specifically selected from other sites based on their production...
Post count and join dates has nothing to do with it.


But back to the topic...I think a lot of people don't realize that FFXII was rushed. After the director stepped down, the team scrambled to put everything together.
I think they started in the wrong place; emphasizing the battle system and the sidequest sequences, yet...in the end they ran out of time and didn't summarize the plot as much as they had wanted...
 
Aztec Triogal said:
Yea 300 posts. What's wrong with that? Judge Rulia's one of the best of the mod team we've got here. Honestly I think you should appreciate the fact we have an admin nice enough to take a comment like "are you stoned stupid" and not ban your narrow ass. She does a damn good job. It pisses me off to see people question higher ups, especially when they're you two.

And would you at least attempt to stay on topic?
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But at 300 posts how would you even know this person or if you can trust them as an admin? well hot damn, I'm gonna rack up about that much in a week and try my luck on the dart board.
 
Harbringer said:
well hot damn, I'm gonna rack up about that much in a week and try my luck on the dart board.
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I think you've already shot your chances at least for some time now.

First off, a qualified member would plainly realize who was in charge on the forums and you've shot back some unnecessary remarks to Rulia already, which I have given you an infraction for.

Secondly, and probably most importantly, "QUALITY OVER QUANTITY". You can make as many damn posts as you want but it doesn't mean you are fitting to be a mod or staff. Staff takes a look into who contributes the most to a forum by putting in whole-hearted efforts while posting instead of thinking: "Shittttttt! That member's gotta crazy number of posts already! He/She has to be someone special!! Mod them!" Complete crap. Post count = Nothing 99% of the time.

Last of all, I'm leaving this thread open since Rhea has attempted to get it back on track. One more comment aimed at someone else negatively will result in the thread being closed, and a warning issued. Just a heads up.
 
Harbringer said:
But at 300 posts how would you even know this person or if you can trust them as an admin? well hot damn, I'm gonna rack up about that much in a week and try my luck on the dart board.
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Because believe it or not honey, Rulia has been here A LOT longer than you. You've already screwed up your chances with the dart board. Rulia was also a Global Moderator before she was even appointed admin. Post count doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. I think you need to cool your jets before you start spouting off about Mods and Admins post counts or be warned. This is first verbal. Not to mention the fact that most all of us staff here have experience in one way or another which is just an added bonus. Just as BustaMo stated "Quality over Quantity"

Back to the topic at hand:
I think this game is absolutely awesome with a kick ass storyline to boot. I feel it's something new that Square has opened our eyes to in the RPG gaming world. I can't wait for FFXIII to see what they have in store for us next. I think Square's ideas and stories in RPG are expanding rapidly, but this is just my own personal opinion. (FRAN FTW!)
 
someone posted this:
"ff12 was one of a kind the only thing that was wrong with it was the plot or the story this is so sad if the plot was good this game might have been my favorite ff game"

These sort of posts always confuse me, because without a decent story, unless it is a beat 'em up or some such thing that doesn't require character development and story, then I don't understand what there is left to enjoy.
For me, that statement is akin to saying "If I had some food on my plate it would be the best meal ever". Story wise, I must say I still haven't completed it... it is the first time i've ever been bored by an FF... it certainly makes me realise how much of a treat FFX was even though I dismissed it in the light of greater FFs at the time.

I mean, you get an ensemble cast pretty early on in the game, but they just don't interact... I miss the fireside chats of FFX where everyone knows each other.
The manual says Penelo is Vaans best friend, but if this is so then the writing is truly awful as even after 100 hours of gameplay i'm still unsure why, or even if she is, his friend. Their relationship is more akin to aquaintances at school who you would just talk to because you were there.

Every time you think there is going to be some character moments, they just ram MAGIC ITEM X down our throat to further a pretty pointless plot.

Early on, we see Ashe looking mournfully at her wedding ring...
Lacroix thinks: woo! we're gonna get some characterisation!
In steps Basch 'dusk shard dusk shard dusk shard blah blah'

Maybe the story would be interesting if we had any reason why people do what they do, but barring Ashe and Basch... why are these people doing these things!

And don't say just to stop vayne and save the world because that is true of every other FF and they somehow manage to give us real characters in the face of things. If saving the world was all we needed to care about then we may as well have played as the Mqs. of Ondore, or the Rozzarians
 
If you actually did look deeper into the story, your questions would be answered. Seems to me you just give up trying to understand the characters. There isn't always time in a final fantasy world for everyone to stop and have chit chats by fires. You should research some of the characters. Seriously :P
 
They trapse across an entire continent virtually. To think that they 'didn't have time to get to know each other' is absurd. These things just happen on the way.

People who fight on the front lines of battle in wars come develop great bonds whilst fighting together, and many know each other almost inside out from spending so much time together.

I wouldn't mind even if you didn't see the relationships that had formed, but from my perspective the mini cutscenes are almost like they pick up where the last one left of. It's like:

'Hey Ashe, I know i've been travelling with you for like a month, but I haven't talked to you at all... so i'll say something cryptic about my father to Larsa... then after another few days of travelling without talking to anyone at all (because apparently we dont have time) i'll say something to you too' :)

I havent given up trying to understand the characters, I cling to every scrap of cutscene they throw my way. But other than Balthiers daddy issues, there hasnt been a great many story moments in which we have any hint that these characters exist outside THE MISSION.

You will again say they dont have time, but I think it is dubious to think that after these characters have travelled for many days etc. that they would not seem to know one another even remotely.
 
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About the character development, theres a bit to be said in defence of Vaan and Penelo at least, they're only...I think it said 17 years old right? So they can't have too too much stuff to talk about, Vaan already covered his story with Reks and his parents dying before the war, its not like he's gonna suddenly start talking about them now when there are other important things on his mind (talking about a dead parent that he may or may not have properly grieved for isnt something he would have easily brought up in some random fireside conversation).

Penelo, yeah she isnt explained too much but again she's 17 years old so can't have too much. I'll admit that on the penelo bit she probably could still have been developed more.

Balthier I think everyone pretty much agrees had sufficient amount of character development so I wont bother arguing about him.

Fran as someone else pointed out still had a Viera upbringing so she wouldn't be walking around sharing her past too much, if that surprises you guys...well just head to the viera village and talk to random viera, thats pretty much the way they are in general and that in of itself reveals a bit about her.

For Ashe, well honestly I dunno what else we could find out about her. she could have given us some more just random talks about stuff but it wouldn't be anything we didn't know. Maybe I'm missing out on something with her though, I dunno...there was just lotsa stuff about her with all the cutscenes of 'Lord Rasler' (his ghost) appearing for her and the the occuria, yeah she didn't start talking about her past or anything like that but her actions tell us a bit about her too.

Basch I think might be a lost cause for me to argue, because I agree that he could have had a bit more of his past revealed.

Errr...whoops when I first started writing I wanted to just cover Vaan and Penelo :P, things just kinda went from there...anyway I gotta go so I'll spare you all my ranting for today hehe.
 
Whoa, a character doesn't need a long emo history in order to be considered well developed. The characters in Star Wars were well developed, and we barely knew anything about their back story.
We need to see other aspects of a character's personality since no one acts the exact same way all the time. That will make them well developed. Character interaction often shows this.

I haven't played this game long enough to make a judgement if the characters are well developed or not.
 
The is very well done. I definitely like it more than the storyline of FF10 (especially then ending).
 
i didnt like the story at the start but now i am beganing to think differently the story of this game was really political
 
Rydia said:
Whoa, a character doesn't need a long emo history in order to be considered well developed. The characters in Star Wars were well developed, and we barely knew anything about their back story.
We need to see other aspects of a character's personality since no one acts the exact same way all the time. That will make them well developed. Character interaction often shows this.

I haven't played this game long enough to make a judgement if the characters are well developed or not.
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Fair enough, I understood that people wanted to know more about the characters backgrounds...in that case though, you still see character development but its just not as blatantly obvious. When Ashe was being basically told by Gabranth to avenge Lord Raslers death Vaan didn't say anything but there is still plenty of character development (in my eyes) in that moment there when you see Vaan. Just because they arent saying anything doesnt mean there isnt anything going on.
 
I get easily confused with games featuring war and politics, but that doesnt put me off the game or stop me from trying to understand what the hell is going on lol. But yes, some people just have different taste.
 
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