Baby Mama's really grind my gears!

[Kandy-Sugar]

Okay of late most of you may have noticed that nearly every 14-18 year old girl is pushing around about 1 or 2 kids in a pram with another one on the way.

What is happening to the world!!!

If any of you haven't seen the movie IDIOCRACY I highly recommend you hire it out. Because that movie is showing what the future holds.

Idiot people pro-creating, while the smart ones die childless because they are too scared to bring a child into a world that isn't secure for them.

And yet just recently the government rewards these idiots 2 grand for each child!

Why the hell don't they give out some freebies to people like me who are trying to save for a house and provide the best possible future for my future kids? I don't have kids and don't intend to bring one into a dodgy area anytime soon where they won't get the decent education or social upbringing they will need and deserve.

If they are going to give any money to these people it should be in the form of vouchers. Because half the people I knew just went and bought Plasma's. =/

Don't worry about saving for braces or anything that your kid might need one day!

I mean this is just motivating young girls to go make babies, 'because two thousand dollars is so much money and lasts forever =0' /sarcasm

Anyway what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Dean Winchester]

I say it is plain stupid to bring kids into the world without having the necessary means to provide them a descent future. Honestly, it all has to do with how society is starting to accept and even see as normal having teens bearing children so soon. They get pregnant at such a young age just because they weren't smart enough to get some protection.

Girls, dudes...study if you want a future.

In my case, I'll finish my studies first and think of children later. Be smart and not a complete amount of dumbasses.

 

[Big Casino]

That is a very common site where i live unfortunately. Now i am in no way saying that a young mother cannot be a good mother i just feel its not fair on either of them. At young ages you should be out enjoying yourself with your friends, then wen ur a bit older maybe go out and travel, see a bit of the world. Then when your ready settle down and think about having children.
The saddest thing is though that a majority of these young mothers are not in a relationship with the Father, who is sometimes too young or too lazy to work and therefore cannot provide the necessary care for his child. And of course there are the Fathers who just dont give a crap.
Me myself i dont plan on having kids for a long time, iv gotta rather long list of things to do before i settle down which will take me years to fill. If by some accident i did ever have a child i would be there for it 100%.

 

[Bambi]

Not EVERY young mother that doesn't have a whole load of money tucked away is automatically bad. As much as you have a point...all of you and to an extent I agree, it's just so stereotypical to taint us all with the same brush. I can't say I agree with the lasses that get knocked up just to get a house or to have an easy ride and not get a job. But not everyone is like that that gets pregnant young or hasn't furthered their education

I worked all through my pregancy and went back to work - I don't work now, but I don't plan on sitting on my arse popping out kids for ever just for the easy ride

Edit* I wasn't a teenage mum, just thought Id fight the corner for the few that don't live up to the stereotype

 

[The Illusive Man]

not all young mum's are bad some are actually doing the best they can to raise there child and do a pretty good job with the resources they have.

however on the flip-side there are a lot of young mums out there that cause this bad stereotype to be created that as the saying goes "Shit kids out to get cash for it" that make me sick...

I highly dislike stereotyping as its a horrible way to classify people, but those that are stereotypical young-mums that couldnt give a rats-ass about the kids but shit em out for cash, should really be sterlized and made to do something productive in society rather than counter-productive of causing a bigger burden on society.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Bam is ruining society.

I will agree that far too many stupid fucking children are being brought into the world today... but I'm not sure it has anything to do with youthful conception. I think it's more just bad parenting or lack of any at all. A young parent is just as unqualified as an older parent... but the one that tries more is the one who will do better as a mother or father.

My only objection to young pregnancy is that the relationship usually doesn't last... and that means some guy gets stuck with puss you could store a golfclub set in. Keep that shit tight; use protection.

 

[Gaige]

I know! I saw a mother and father pushing along a kid in a pram and the father was littler than me, probably fourteen!

However, as Bambi says, we shouldn't judge. If the parents are willing to look after the baby, then they are to be praised, not condemned.

 

[Davey Gaga]

I'm not about to tarnish anyone as a 'bad person' but I can't abide by the blatant lack of...informed decisions made by a number of young people, recently. I know of several people from my school, who left as early as possible, who have all had children and most are engaged. It's like...an arrangement or a social requirement to either have a child or be engaged by 17. The way that some people are in such a rush to make life-long commitments is, to me, ridiculous - at what point do you think a stable relationship entails "meeting a year ago on MSN, getting engaged at the bus stop, having a child at 17" and naming said child after the father? That's destined to flop. Imagine my surprise one day when I checked on an old friend who's now had her second child, she's younger than me, and all of her friends have at least one child (or are expecting one), too. It's...ludicrous and I don't know if it's idiocy, for commiting to it so early and quickly, or simply delusional. Either way, I want no part of it.

Also:

[Moved] to The Sleeping Forest.

 

[Serah]

Right...I was not a teenage mother, but I was young when I gave birth to Logan. 4 months past the age of 20, to be exact. Logan was never a planned baby. He was a surprise, a miracle if you will. We weren't ready...not at all. We never once thought possible we'd be able to have a child. For one, we thought that Dave was sterile when I got pregnant. He'd had many tests done that showed he was infertile, but that doesn't mean it's not still possible to get pregnant one would think considering it happened to me. We weren't prepared, we had no idea it could even happen, but it did. It's not a bad thing either, just because we were newlyweds without a plan isn't a bad thing and it's not fair to stereotype people who aren't ready for children either.

Also, I'm somewhat confused at this whole "just giving money away" Kandy-Sugar, and I somewhat took slight offense to your comment. We earn that money with the work we do and the way we bust our asses to raise our families. It's called income tax. It's once every single year. That's where all that extra money comes from. Not every struggling family out there, young or not, gets that extra support from the government anymore and if they do, it's nowhere near a free 2-4 grand either. That's just ridiculous.

These aren't just freebies. All that extra money has to come from somewhere and it's because a lot of these people, myself and husband included, are out in society busting their asses to make a living and provide for their families. Their reward? The income taxes, which I might add are not freebies, is what they get. The government doesn't just go around giving these people free money because they're young with kids. I don't know where you heard that or why you'd think it either.

Anyway, point I'm trying to make is that it's not right to sit and stereotype all young families when there are people like myself who are out there really struggling and trying hard to make the best possible living environment for our children. It's not fair to call all of them "stupid" either, because people do get unexpected surprises.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Sorry Sis, don't get me wrong (just clarifying my point in the process- just in case-...), but actually 20 years is actually a fair age to consider pregnancy, at least is more acceptable. But 14? 15? 16? Please, I've seen once a girl who didn't even finished 9th grade! And guess what? She's 15 and she's a mom now. She has no studies, no High School Diploma, nothing, and she's all dependant now.

The only thing I find it wrong is seeing some woman being so dependant after screwing their lives at such a tender age (like 14... and no I am not saying all accidents are screw ups. Some are seen to become good families). It is so discouraging to see a woman being beat up by their boyfriend just because she depends on him economically and because her family doesn't want to see her again. Or to see a father being emotionally torn apart by seeing his girl being pregnant without even finishing High School.

 

[Serah]

20 might be acceptable but it's still young. Barely 2 years shy of 18...The point I'm trying to make is that not everybody is going to be ready to have a child and it's not fair to stereotype those who aren't. Just because we may not have been ready for a family financially or stably doesn't make us stupid and that's the impression I'm getting from this thread.

And about the young girls...it's not always their fault either. A lot of the young ones having sex nowadays is from peer pressure. A lot of guys are pushing their girlfriends to do it more because it'll make them seem cool, and a lot of them are so young that they're not going to realize what it's like or what's going to happen. The mind is still naive. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid. It's not like they're doing it just for the sake of getting pregnant (except for maybe a select few). If you're not having sex with your man nowadays with girls that age, then you're not "cool" or whatever. Hence the pressure to do it. I just don't like the whole comparing real life and humanity with a movie as stupid as "Idiocracy" because I have seen the movie and I'm sorry, but I disagree with that being the future.

 

[Bambi]

20 might be acceptable but it's still young. Barely 2 years shy of 18...The point I'm trying to make is that not everybody is going to be ready to have a child and it's not fair to stereotype those who aren't. Just because we may not have been ready for a family financially or stably doesn't make us stupid and that's the impression I'm getting from this thread.

That's exactly what I felt. Offended. Just because someone has seen a film doesn't mean it reflects real life. So I wasn't prepared for having a kid, either finacially OR mentally, but not being parents yourselves, how can you judge?

Edit* the money I got which I was ENTITLED too when I was pregnant because I was WORKING, went on a bed, fridge a cooker and carpeting my whole house. And other smaller household items....which happened to include a PS2 because my ex took ours <_<

 

[Serah]

Yes, same here Kelly. I'm sorry, but I do feel offended by this thread. How can you sit and judge people and families when you don't even know what it's like? You don't know what caused this young girl to get pregnant. You don't know if she was raped, if she was pressured or forced into it.

You might "hear" that people get all this money and buy plasmas from it or whatever, but do you honestly believe everything you hear? In truth, no family gets 2-4 grand per kid. If they need help, they might get lucky if they even get a grand a month until they find work.

You also don't know what these people are going through, so in truth, nobody has any right to judge and call them stupid or idiots until they've walked in their shoes and actually experience it. If these people are actually taking care of their kids, sans education and jobs, then good for them. They should be praised for their hard work. Don't stereotype them just because they might not have money, or full education. It's just wrong.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Just as an emphasis on how ridiculous it is for younger people to become parents...there's a girl at my school who's in second year and she's pregnant, several weeks down the line, and plans on 'keeping it'. Just to add an age to that year, she's either 12 or 13 at the oldest.

Idiot.

 

[Shu]

Well I don't applaud these kids for having babies, nor do I give them some medal or praise for raising a baby at that age. Here's what I see though, it does assume responsibility younger in the girl and maybe male if he sticks around. So many guys run off, because honestly they "can".

If a girl is having unprotected sex and not using any form of birth control, and the guy is oblivious, well that's a damn good sign that they were stupid. Sorry there is no excuse. "heat of the moment, precum, blah blah"

I know some people don't have the resources for birth control but I think the point of this thread is to actually point at the younger generation. If they parents are allowing this crap to go on behind their backs, well they aren't much of parents or did they teach their kids enough.

Don't think that having a baby either is a free ride. Once that guy drops you, he has the ability to cut out of child support being at that age. So if a girl does raise the kid by herself, well she's strong but I'm not promoting it at all. It's never okay to have a kid early like that.

If your hopes and dream are to have a baby that early in life.. then I that's your opinion. But live and learn, it's not an easy ride.

 

[Saix]

I don't think anyone's really targeting young parents as imbeciles or buffoons for having children early on, though I don't see any compliments either. xD
After seeing generations of young parents struggle, I know that personally, I've deduced having a stable career and a satisfactory cash inflow is the first stepping stone to suitable parenthood - to bring a child into our lives with opportunities, over hardship and possible poverty. Naturally an acute level of maturity is to follow, and I view this as a major deciding factor for whether having kids is an option or not.

Were I to ever want children, I'd be compelled to meet both of these categories. Some people manage without one or the other, but it seems pretty inconsiderate to me, raising a child in an incomplete and unstable environment.

 

[Donald Trump]

I'm going to move this away from discussing young mothers, oh aren't they terrible, 15 and already pregnant. Personally I find that topic very boring, as all it is, is looking down on people who have made mistakes.

I think that the problem that the OP was that they were given money which they spent frivolously. It's probably a waste of tax payer's money etc but the people who do this only represent a small part of the people who need this money. Most probably spend it on sensible things like food, ovens etc. To cut off money to those who need it is stupid, even if there are those who waste the money. The truth is, in any part of society there will allways be people like that.

 

[Shu]

Also was not trying to be to harsh. I have friends with kids out of wedlock and I respect the girls very much so. I also had a sit down with one or two with one confessing they still liked me.. and I strayed.. from her. I feel like a dick, but couldn't handle it at the time. I just figured she was lonely and also she was still with someone!

I just don't know what I would do in that situation. I'll be honest, only reason I'm probably in this thread right now is because I'm 24 and I have a middle paying job (not salary thanks to the retarded market) and my girlfriend missed her period. She is on birth control, so those who have had mistakes, I understand where you come from. In my opinion though, it might be destined for you to have a kid if this stuff occurs. Maybe it's to make you stronger, or even find out that your kid might be a miracle in your life.

Personally though the money issue is a cheap shot fellas and some gals. I mean we could turn this into illegal aliens receiving welfare as well as medicare. It's pointless to argue it to be honest. If a girl, excuse me, if a lady has had a kid, unless she's unfit to be a mother then I think some help is needed from the State in order to help out every now and again.

What is the parent going to do with a 13-14 year old girl who can not get a job or losing a job due to "fitting the image."

Now for the girls who do have a kid for the money.. they are worse than a whore. I would hope they get thrown in the looney bend.

 

[Kandy-Sugar]

Also, I'm somewhat confused at this whole "just giving money away" Kandy-Sugar, and I somewhat took slight offense to your comment. We earn that money with the work we do and the way we bust our asses to raise our families. It's called income tax. It's once every single year. That's where all that extra money comes from. Not every struggling family out there, young or not, gets that extra support from the government anymore and if they do, it's nowhere near a free 2-4 grand either. That's just ridiculous.
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Okay maybe I didn't explain that really well. If you lived in Australia QLD this year the government decided to award every child under the age of 16 $2000. That was after the normal support money parents already get.

Now me and my partner are living together and we get NOTHING! We both work nearly every single day and struggle every day and we know that there is no way that we can bring a child into this messed up area anytime soon. We use every form of protection possible because even then it can't always be certain that you won't get pregnant. Half the girls in my area don't even know what a condom looks like.

We don't have kids and that means that extra $2000 that families with children got didn't come our way this year. EVERY person I knew did not save that money that was meant for their children. They all bought some extravagant present for themself. Now that's where selfish parenting comes in.

I myself would have made an account up for my child if I had one. Maybe one day he might need serious surgery who knows. All I know is that the people in my area were all ridiculously young and didn't give a rats about their child.

A T.V. is nothing compared to something you could do for your child later on.

These aren't just freebies. All that extra money has to come from somewhere and it's because a lot of these people, myself and husband included, are out in society busting their asses to make a living and provide for their families. Their reward? The income taxes, which I might add are not freebies, is what they get. The government doesn't just go around giving these people free money because they're young with kids. I don't know where you heard that or why you'd think it either.

I didn't think it. I saw it. And it should have been given in another form of cash, like food vouchers or something smart.

And I wasn't actually attacking you in any way. You're married and have a husband, so your child at least has a stable family around him and you also said you both work. You obviously didn't have your child to get money as you said. So therefore I am not attacking you in anyway. And 20 is a reasonable age to get pregnant in my opinion.

I'm talking about the girls who are IN FACT STUPID and do get pregnant just for their own selfish reasons. They don't understand that the money they will get from having a baby does not go very far.

And the girls who have unprotected sex with drugged up guys and then can't remember who he was the next day after he's already pissed off elsewhere. Those are the girls I'm talking about.

Yes girls might be pressured into sex. That doesn't mean that they can't protect themselves? That is just plain stupidity right there.

It's the people who don't try to protect themselves from falling pregnant because they think it won't happen to them who annoy me. They can have all the unprotected sex they want and they won't get STD's either. =D

Okay rambling a bit more.

But yeah I think that society is going to be worse off then it is now in the future because if you live in a area that is a complete shithole (like where I live) and has druggies everywhere and then decide it's baby-making time... well you've just added to socitey's idiocy right there more than likely.

Even if you are the best parent in the world, you will still have to send your kid to that school around the corner where plenty other kids go because you have to. Ones who had bad parenting and no rules etc, then your kids are going to try and fit in and become just like them. Not all but majority.

I am not taking that risk.

 

[MasterX]

I do not encourage reckless f***ing, because that will lead to excess kids into the world, and we have so many resources. Will we be able to provide for all of these mouths? We're severely taking more from our Earth than it's gaining, we're too careless when it comes to our planet's resources.

Everyone should think about the consequences; more than ever! We are heading into a state of crisis and this is most certainly the turning point. Will we prosper or will we kill ourselves off?