DarnWait I might have lied let me do my research...
Still, it's interesting to think about HOW she takes a physical form.
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DarnWait I might have lied let me do my research...
EDIT:
Yeah these processes would make the lifestream tangible:
The Lifestream, also known as Spirit Energy, is an ethereal substance called Mako that flows in streams just beneath the surface of the Planet.
Mako (魔晄, Makō, lit. "magic light") is the liquid form of the Planet's Lifestream in Final Fantasy VII,
It's not just her bending the light or something, though. She physically TOUCHES people, like when she grabs Cloud's hand, or speaks to people, or has the wind blow her hair. She's obviously just as phyiscal as any living human, the only difference--she's not alive.
Channizard said:I think Aerith very well may have manipulated the Lifestream to 'bring herself back to life'. She as a Cetra has a connection to it. Holy did squat against Meteor, until she awakened the will of the Planet and the Lifestream and basically instructed it to aid Holy. It's obvious that she has a tie to it.. she can use it.
That's when I have to tell you this... if Aerith was just visions to Cloud and the children, why can she physically touch them? She solidifies proving she's not just a memory or something.IMO what cloud saw where visions of aerith inside his head, as everyone has a current in them like the lifetream as stated by vincent, and aerith traverses lifestreams i think it`s safe to assume she appeared in visions to cloud(and the chilsren in the church). I also belive that was the reson for the simbolic hand he took in the bahamut fight. Its not like aerith materialized inside tha city-busting megaflare to give him a hand. I think she appeared in his head mostly for emotional support and simbolic reasons.
You do know Cloud dies in AC and is then brought back to life by Aerith, right? :/I wouldn't say that it's possible..... I got the general impression that even if someone wanted to go back to being alive, it's something that isn't done. Even someone like Aerith -- there are simply rules everyone has to abide by, and it just isn't fair if you can get a 'Get out of Death Free' card. Not to mention that would kinda cheapen the whole 'sacrifice' aspect there. :-\
You do know Cloud dies in AC and is then brought back to life by Aerith, right? :/
And about her body, that's not a good argument for why she couldn't come back. She solidified without her body during AC, so it appears she has her own way of recreating her own body.
That's when I have to tell you this... if Aerith was just visions to Cloud and the children, why can she physically touch them? She solidifies proving she's not just a memory or something.
You do know Cloud dies in AC and is then brought back to life by Aerith, right? :/
And about her body, that's not a good argument for why she couldn't come back. She solidified without her body during AC, so it appears she has her own way of recreating her own body.
Maybe because she dosent actually touch them??
The Mind is very naive, an image of aerith touching someone to them, dosent mean shes actually there. She didnt materialize in front of cloud inside a megaflar, nor do i think she passed energy to him somehow(there is never an allusion to that in the reunion files and i assume the green thing that appears is aerith`s vision fading into the lifestream, i think she only ppeared to him through the lifestrem as a simbolic "last push" as a member of old avalanche). She appeared inside his head and he thought he was taking her hand, she appeared to him, in his head. Shes ot just one of cloud` memorys, she can influence peoples minds through the lifestrem, but not actually physically help or touch them.
Oh, well, of course it's not her literal body, as Maiden said, that's at the bottom of the lake Cloud put her to rest at. But who's to say she can't do what Sephiroth can do? He somehow materialized his body enough to where he could cause Cloud pain. If Sephiroth could solidify and not be just in Cloud's mind then Aerith can(as we were shown). And if Sephiroth can become materialized enough that he could cause Cloud pain and physically touch him as if Sephiroth was alive, then Aerith can materialize in her own way and allow herself to not only become physical but allow herself to touch Cloud and or others as if she too were alive.It's far more likely that she created a kind of psychic construct for herself. (If you don't know what a psychic construct is please read here for some clarity). Not her -- Aerith's -- real, actual body, but a semi-physical avatar of her.
There's a flaw in that theory, though. Aerith becomes as solid as Sephiroth, and as we know, Sephiroth is able to wound and touch Cloud as if he were alive again. As we were shown, Aerith was speaking and interacting with two random children. She's not some image projected to Cloud. She's ACTUALLY there, and she's literally interacting with people.Note that manipulating Lifestream energy to effect the living world and telekinesis are at this point one and the same -- it's essentially moving or effecting something physical without actually touching it physically. This is important. This would allow Aerith to pop into Cloud's head -- telepathy -- and have a chat. This would allow Aerith to pop into being above Cloud's head -- teleportation -- and then fling Cloud around a bit -- telekinesis.
"He(Sephiroth) was apparently going to use separate entities to be his agents. The woman(Aerith) asked herself if she could do the same." -Case of Lifestream: White
That actually makes a lot of sense And maybe her ties to Cloud is strong enough that it's like the way Sephiroth solidifies. Only, instead of the negative lifestream and the puppets Sephiroth uses to become solid, Cloud's strong memory of her is enough for her to get ahold of the living world, allowing her to manipulate the lifestream until she materializes in the living world through Cloud's bond to her?Maybe through the course of FFVII:AC Aerith discovered she can do it somehow, maybe a vessel is only needed for Jenova's intent? Maybe Aeriths ure intent can do it more purely...?
Perhaps she just uses the Lifestream to solidify...?
Bah! Just a guess though
Dance In The Dark said:And if Sephiroth can become materialized enough that he could cause Cloud pain and physically touch him as if Sephiroth was alive, then Aerith can materialize in her own way and allow herself to not only become physical but allow herself to touch Cloud and or others as if she too were alive.
Hence how she can grab Cloud's hand, speak to random children, and have the wind blow her hair. She definitely becomes physical, that much we should all know by now.
There's a flaw in that theory, though. Aerith becomes as solid as Sephiroth, and as we know, Sephiroth is able to wound and touch Cloud as if he were alive again. As we were shown, Aerith was speaking and interacting with two random children. She's not some image projected to Cloud. She's ACTUALLY there, and she's literally interacting with people.
Okay.... right. That's why Aerith accepts something from two random children, right?
She does physically touch Cloud, just the same as Sephiroth was able to. Only difference, we're not sure how she does it. Just because we don't know the answer doesn't mean she can't. She obviously can, has, and will do it whenever she likes.
Oh, well, of course it's not her literal body, as Maiden said, that's at the bottom of the lake Cloud put her to rest at. But who's to say she can't do what Sephiroth can do? He somehow materialized his body enough to where he could cause Cloud pain. If Sephiroth could solidify and not be just in Cloud's mind then Aerith can(as we were shown). And if Sephiroth can become materialized enough that he could cause Cloud pain and physically touch him as if Sephiroth was alive, then Aerith can materialize in her own way and allow herself to not only become physical but allow herself to touch Cloud and or others as if she too were alive.
Hence how she can grab Cloud's hand, speak to random children, and have the wind blow her hair. She definitely becomes physical, that much we should all know by now.
There's a flaw in that theory, though. Aerith becomes as solid as Sephiroth, and as we know, Sephiroth is able to wound and touch Cloud as if he were alive again. As we were shown, Aerith was speaking and interacting with two random children. She's not some image projected to Cloud. She's ACTUALLY there, and she's literally interacting with people.
Tori Amos said:When was this ever stated? I don't recall it ever being an ability of the Ancients or Cetra, or even a special ability chosen for Aerith. Nomura has said Aerith lives on in Cloud, and that Aerith comes back as Cloud remembers her so her solidifying based on her and Cloud connection isn't far-fetched.
No, they are the splintered fragments of Sephiroth's soul. Each represents a different facet of Sephiroth himself. All laid out pretty clearly here. Please read it.Aren't they as Cloud is, not truly Sephiroth Clones but human experiments injected with Jenova Cells by Hojo?
I wasn't under the impression that Aerith had completely gone back to the Lifestream yet, I thought the Maiden Book stated Aerith could not go back fully into the Lifestream?
But what effected Kadaj is also affecting Cloud through Geostigma, Sephiroth controls Kadaj the same way he attempted to control Cloud before Aerith at the Alter in Final Fantasy VII, its the same case, he can do that with Sephiroth/Jenova clones.
You're just not listening are you?Marlene and Denzel don't speak to her as though she is there, she calls them on the phone as well as the other children in Edge, she also called Clouds phone and left a Message about forgiving him or not needing to really XD
Alucardemi said:Like i said the children think she`s there, she can telepath through the lifestream, interact through the lifestream. She`s a vision, in the children`s brain and in cloud`s, or another theory is as Dragon Mage said she`s a spirit. The lifestream affects all if she wants to appear some random children and cloud, then she will appear to some random children and cloud. In their mind she is there, and if their vision of her touches them their brain will react to such and feel a touch. Seriously there is no indication of her actually materializing, i mean if she materializes inside a megaflare she would, well, be destroyed as she has the durability of a human.
FYI seph does have a body in ACC. He regened it from the scant jenova cells kadaj absorbed. He`s full comprised of jenova cell`s and he created a whole body from them in a few seconds, meaning he has rapid cell regen.
Channizard said:This whole telepathy thing is really far'fetched, even by VII standards. >.< I don't understand why its so hard to believe that given Sephiroth could split himself and appear to Cloud as himself (technically Y/K/L are him, just sans Jenova cells) but Aerith couldn't. The Cetra were known for having all sorts of funky abilities and thats why Sephiroth thought himself as such a God for being a 'Cetra', because they were unique.. they could do things humans couldn't.
Is Aerith could speak and hear the Planet when she was alive, if she could see the souls of the dead and keep her soul from melding into the rest of the Lifestream (a trait of the Cetra, iirc).. then why is it so far beyond being able to physically manifest herself in front of Cloud. Sephiroth could do it, and in Maiden she expresses an interest in wanting to do the same.. except to appear as herself to Cloud, how he remembered her.
I would just like to take this moment aside and say: Well of course she's want to appear as Cloud remembered her. Who the hell want's to see a logistically correct half-rotten, water-logged corpse walking around?And thats what I think she was doing throughout the whole movie.. jogging his memory and trying to make him forgive himself, but even at the end when Sephiroth was dead, there was still a glimmer of doubt. Amongst the party members in the church he didn't see her there to cheer him on... that's why I think she appeared physically to him, to reassure him that 'okay Sephiroth's dead for good now, you can move on.'
she can telepath through the lifestream