Fan Fiction Dissidia 012 Discussion

[VinnieJones]

Square-Enix nowadays come across as a poorly run company.

hmm... $1.49billion in revenue from April-December 2009 suggests that they are doing very well for a 'poorly run company'. What they're doing is what all good companies do; maximizing the profits i.e. milking as much as possible from a successful title (VII's spinoffs are the most notable examples). Besides it's mainly the fans that call for sequels/spinoffs, the company doesn't randomnly create them. A sequel for Dissidia has been talked about for ages within the fans, and SE are giving them what they want. Same with VII (do you recall the fans' anticipation for a PS3 remake?).

Final Fantasy XIII was poorly received, Final Fantasy XII was far from great, Final Fantasy X-2 was awful and Final Fantasy X was generally a hit or miss for fans.

Seeming as you've made up your mind that SE is to blame for everything that's wrong with the recent FF's (proven by the fact that you mentioned X and X-2 there; X-2 and X were made by Square, not SE), I'm not going to give any of my opinions as they will most likely be ignored. So I'll just tell you what the general public thought (i.e. the facts).

XIII was the first ever million selling PS3 title in Japan-only. XII got 40/40 from Famitsu plus won several awards from both Japanese and Western magazines. The general public believed that they were amazing and that's something we have to accept. If the majority think it's great, then it's great.

It sounds like you hate everything SE have done, and obviously you're entitled to that opinion. But they gave new lives to the old FF's on major consoles so those that were never able to play them can do so.

Apart from the FF series, Chrono Trigger and the Dragon Quest series (among others) were also brought to the west's attention. Surely that's doing more to promote JRPGs to the west than to take our money. Have they 'damaged' the reputation of these games? I don't think so, because many people didn't even know of them to give any sort of opinion.

Plus they've bothered to make new titles whilst doing these things. Blood of Bahamut is a classic Japanese action-RPG, while The World Ends With You is using Japan's main shopping town as the platform. The new editions of the main DQ spinoff, Dragon Quest Monsters, are still classic JRPGs.

Seriously though, what do you want them to do? Release a new FF that can only be appreciated by the hardcore fans? It won't be worth it business wise.

Plus you might want to rethink once DQVI becomes available.

{sorry for going off-topic, but if a Mod can do it, surely I can too}




...just to stay on-topic: Lightning is performing Zantestuken and Kain is performing Gungnir in the screenshots.

 

[Noblesse Oblige]

True, but with Square-Enix this dated long before the recession. I wouldn't be bothered if it wasn't for the fact the quality of their main franchise has plummeted. Final Fantasy XIII was poorly received, Final Fantasy XII was far from great, Final Fantasy X-2 was awful and Final Fantasy X was generally a hit or miss for fans.

Square-Enix nowadays come across as a poorly run company, they have a CEO that thinks everything needs to be westernised - I'm sorry Wada, but no one gave a shit about it not being westernised, that's what WRPGs are there for and with Final Fantasy XIII is became very apparent they're trying to cater for the "pretty graphics" fans. But like I've said previously, the problem is that the fans lap it up. It's a sad indictment on the gaming industry when Final Fantasy XIII manages to ship more than the likes Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 combined.

If Square-Enix managed to churn out a number of random titles and spin-offs without damaging their main franchise then fair play to them, but they haven't. Take Nomura for instance, this guy is pretty much Square-Enix's last chance with Versus XIII but they've got him working on half a dozen other titles...it's just stupid.

I'm just impressed the guy didn't quit after being overworked so...

Right now I'm just waiting for the VG apocalypse, where (my worst to best guess) about 60-90% of the VG industries outright collapse.

You also have to realize you are catering to the immensely large fanbase which of course is hard to cater to as it is, so of course their main franchise is gonna take a hit no matter how it goes out.

Back on topic: I couldn't tell if that's the case, the pics are small.

 

[The Illusive Man]

If it is a sequel, I'm still wondering how they'll make the ''War Between The Gods'' thing work unless:
a.) Cosmos and Chaos magically returns.
Or...
b.) This has nothing to do with the 1st Dissidia's story.

If you gathered all the Chaos and Cosmos reports is shows you a cutscene afterwards

Spoiler

Cid of the Lufaine and Cosmos are talking, the war is set to continue as neither god is truly defeated

 

[Terra Branford]

If you gathered all the Chaos and Cosmos reports is shows you a cutscene afterwards

Spoiler

Cid of the Lufaine and Cosmos are talking, the war is set to continue as neither god is truly defeated

Yup, and how Cosmos

Spoiler

"disappears"

. It doesn't really look like she

Spoiler

died

anyways. lol

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

hmm... $1.49billion in revenue from April-December 2009 suggests that they are doing very well for a 'poorly run company'.

By the end of June 2009, Square-Enix had an 83% decrease in operating income and in February 2009 the fiscal forecast for Square-Enix was a loss of ¥3.4 billion and ¥1.6 billion in another department. There's also the case of the Last Remnant when Square-Enix decided to fully neglect the PS3 for the Xbox 360 both in their own title and the titles they published (yeah, brilliant move considering Japan don't care about the 360).

What they're doing is what all good companies do; maximizing the profits i.e. milking as much as possible from a successful title (VII's spinoffs are the most notable examples). Besides it's mainly the fans that call for sequels/spinoffs, the company doesn't randomnly create them. A sequel for Dissidia has been talked about for ages within the fans, and SE are giving them what they want. Same with VII (do you recall the fans' anticipation for a PS3 remake?).

I don't see the relevance of Final Fantasy VII remake in this, Square-Enix have been screwing the fans over for years with the whole:
○ "It would be interesting to see what it would look like remade"
○ "Someone will do it"
○ "It won't happen"
○ "We are always looking into the possibility"
○ "It will take 3/4 times longer than Final Fantasy XIII to develop"

Fans asked for the likes of Lufia, The 4 Heroes of Light, Dungeon Siege III, Gun Loco etc? What about a new Chrono title or a new Valkyrie Profile title or Kingdom Hearts III or Final Fantasy VII remake that fans have been asking for, for YEARS. Like I've said before, Square-Enix are sitting on a potential goldmine and only they can't seem to see it.

Seeming as you've made up your mind that SE is to blame for everything that's wrong with the recent FF's (proven by the fact that you mentioned X and X-2 there; X-2 and X were made by Square, not SE), I'm not going to give any of my opinions as they will most likely be ignored.

Square-Enix developed X-2 for regions outside of Japan. And since you so kindly pointed out Final Fantasy X, that means I can take credit away from them even making a hit or miss title.

XIII was the first ever million selling PS3 title in Japan-only. XII got 40/40 from Famitsu plus won several awards from both Japanese and Western magazines. The general public believed that they were amazing and that's something we have to accept. If the majority think it's great, then it's great.

Sales mean nothing. Final Fantasy XIII sold a million copies a) because it was the most anticipated game in Japan and b) it was the first seventh-gen Final Fantasy title, yet, the game got absolutely massacred by the Japanese audience and Square-Enix even released several official statements about the low reviews and negative opinions. Receiving 40/40 from Famitsu means nothing either [considering they gave Kingdom Hearts II and Final Fantasy XIII 39/40], Final Fantasy XII again, catered for the pretty graphics and neglected the main aspects of an RPG. The story had potential to be brilliant but was never executed well, the characters had next to no development, the music was far from memorable and the battle system was painfully slow. All of those I've seen flung about by general public(ie, the facts).

It sounds like you hate everything SE have done, and obviously you're entitled to that opinion. But they gave new lives to the old FF's on major consoles so those that were never able to play them can do so.

I have no problems with remakes of older titles, though, since you like to point out, they were made by Square, not Square-Enix. My problem is the quality coming from the latter.

Apart from the FF series, Chrono Trigger and the Dragon Quest series (among others) were also brought to the west's attention. Surely that's doing more to promote JRPGs to the west than to take our money. Have they 'damaged' the reputation of these games? I don't think so, because many people didn't even know of them to give any sort of opinion.

Chrono Trigger was developed by Square and was an AAA title and was first released fifteen years ago when quality actually meant something. As for Dragon Quest, Square-Enix only publishes them, not develop them which is solely for financial gain.

Plus they've bothered to make new titles whilst doing these things. Blood of Bahamut is a classic Japanese action-RPG, while The World Ends With You is using Japan's main shopping town as the platform. The new editions of the main DQ spinoff, Dragon Quest Monsters, are still classic JRPGs.

There are two main issues for Blood of Bahamut being a "classic" a) since Famitsu means something to you, it received 31/40 b) has it even shipped 100,000 copies yet for a hand held that has sold over 130,000,000+? Hardly a classic. The World Ends With You is one of those few Square-Enix developed exceptions that was actually quite decent.

Seriously though, what do you want them to do? Release a new FF that can only be appreciated by the hardcore fans? It won't be worth it business wise.

Why does it have to be only appreciated by hardcore fans? The likes of the Uncharted franchise, Mass Effect franchise, Gears of War franchise, Fallout franchise, Halo franchise [certainly multiplayer] Dragon Age etc are all AAA titles and they don't have to segregate hardcore from casual.

Plus you might want to rethink once DQVI becomes available.

Dragon Quest VI as in, the one developed by Heartbeat and Artepiazza? Again, my problem is with the quality coming out of Square-Enix.

Also, there's nothing off topic about this. Just because we aren't talking about Dissidia II doesn't mean it's not another spin-off/sequel by Square-Enix.

 

[Linnaete]

A few screens have emerged.

For those still unconvinced that this game is real, here's a teaser site from Square Enix.

Famitsu has posted a staff list:

• Director: Mitsunori Takahashi
• Creative Producer/Character Design: Tetsuya Nomura
• Movie Producer: Takeshi Nozue
• Main Composer: Takeharu Ishimoto

In its short look at the game, the site says to expect additional characters outside of Lightning and Kain, both of whom were revealed in Jump.

Additionally, we can expect new maps, new BGM, new battle system elements, and an improved communication system.

The site says to expect a full look at the game in this week's print Famitsu, complete with an interview with Nomura and Takahashi.

Source: Andriasang

 

[Rey]

I think that confirms Garland then. So now we got 4 characters confirmed. But are the whole previous cast returning to? Thanks for the screens Olivia. I see the teaser site has a nice theme to it. Still from the above info I dont see a new story

 

[Noblesse Oblige]

*twitch*

*twitch*

*twitch*

I was wrong!!??!



Also, for the record Mistuki, since when has there been a quality game this year up till today? Has there been an increase in profit from any company? If not, then not only does it prove your point, but it also proves my point.

 

[Celica]

So I guess it is a sequel then...? That puts my expansion worries to rest.
I'm a little more excited about it than I was before.XD
But what about the story? O__o

 

[Terra Branford]

Just as I suspected.

A few more characters beside Lighting and Kain lol

One of them better be Edgar! We had enough thieves and ninjas. It would also be nice to have Edge. Dang, he's a ninja!

Okay, Rydia would be nice!

 

[The Witch]

Dang, I was hoping the game would be all girls this time around. Let's see, I bet Sora's in the game--THAT'D BE AWESOME!

The scans are pretty useless though... If only they showed more. Still, thanks for them.

 

[Rey]

Dang, I was hoping the game would be all girls this time around. Let's see, I bet Sora's in the game--THAT'D BE AWESOME!

The scans are pretty useless though... If only they showed more. Still, thanks for them.

Only girls? Kain and cecil are guys lol. No way it was going to be an all female game xD. That would be weird. Also appreciate the scans, plus they just started showing info

 

[VinnieJones]

thanks for the new scans.

I know the game is still in development stage, but I wonder what those orange bars underneath the HP bar are. A new feature perhaps?

 

[Fusionist]

lol, I guess we know it's real now

So it really is a direct sequel then? I'm gonna have to actually get all them reports in Dissidia...

And I'm glad to see what we can expect more new characters ^^

As for "improved communication" I really, really...REALLY hope that means better facilitation of online play with other people (co-op even?)

Why is the WoL's helmet on the ground? Did something happen to him? D=

Also, what does the number "O12" mean?

That's a purty CGI, but I wonder how Lightning will actually look in PSP graphics *ponders*

Kain ♥

Also, for staff, they said Nomura is creative producer, but...what does that mean exactly? Is he gonna do more for this game than he did in the first game? I swear I read people titles, but it's so easy to just pick the most popular name and give them all the kudos or bashing because you recognize them :/

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

Also, for the record Mistuki, since when has there been a quality game this year up till today? Has there been an increase in profit from any company? If not, then not only does it prove your point, but it also proves my point.

Just Square-Enix or gaming in general? If it's the latter, off the top of my head:
- Mass Effect 2
- Red Dead Redemption
- Super Mario Galaxy 2
- Heavy Rain
- Halo Reach [I don't think it's 10/10, but it looks a solid title]
- Batman: Arkham Asylum

I don't know about the profits since I haven't seen any fiscal reports or NPDs from companies in the last few months. I mean, at the end of the day I couldn't care less if Square-Enix developed hundreds of titles a year or just one, but what does bother me is when they start releasing games of substandard quality. Square-Enix used to be a company you'd look forward to purchasing games from, Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX are regarded as some of the best RPGs of all time, but nowadays, well...

 

[Terra Branford]

Only girls? Kain and cecil are guys lol. No way it was going to be an all female game xD. That would be weird. Also appreciate the scans, plus they just started showing info

I think she knows Kain and Cecil are guys

She's saying she wanted it to be "all girls" this time.

Why would it be weird? Terra, Shannatto (?) and Cosmos and Edea and the one from III were the only girls in the game. The game was 70& male. Why would it be weird to have a all Female game? Dead Fantasy makes it look awesome.

Also, what does the number "O12" mean?

Its probably a crack at people thinking the world will end then. Or it could mean 12 characters, or it could mean SE plans to take over the world in 2012.

 

[VinnieJones]

Why is the WoL's helmet on the ground? Did something happen to him? D=

well the little description underneath the logo in that pic says 'the story of defeat that leads to the final battle'. Maybe he dies

or maybe it just represents the end of the war. who knows

 

[Celica]

Okay, Rydia would be nice!

Rydia!!!!
That would be so awesome if they let her shine. I can imagine having her and Yuna as my 2 mains...awesome.

But yeah, they could've at least released one new screenshot. Those are the same ones from the magazine!

 

[Terra Branford]

or maybe it just represents the end of the war. who knows

Maybe he just takes the helmet off, or it gets knocked off during a battle? :d

Rydia!!!!
That would be so awesome if they let her shine. I can imagine having her and Yuna as my 2 mains...awesome.

But yeah, they could've at least released one new screenshot. Those are the same ones from the magazine!

Rydia was a nifty character, but I just thought of a flad. Spamming the summon. She would have to constantly be able to use the summon. Her attack would be incredibly weak and she wouldn't be able to build up Bravery points

Yea, SE likes to troll us lol

 

[Rey]

I think she knows Kain and Cecil are guys

She's saying she wanted it to be "all girls" this time.

Why would it be weird? Terra, Shannatto (?) and Cosmos and Edea and the one from III were the only girls in the game. The game was 70& male. Why would it be weird to have a all Female game? Dead Fantasy makes it look awesome.


Its probably a crack at people thinking the world will end then. Or it could mean 12 characters, or it could mean SE plans to take over the world in 2012.

Of course she knows that they are guys. That was not the point of what I said though. Dead Fantasy is fan service as far as I am concerned. It is still well done though. What would an all girls Dissidia be like? Who will be the strong girl hero like WOL who will lead? Also who will be all the girls on the villian's side? I would think Terra but that is only cause she is my fav character in Dissidia. But Lightning is my favorite now as I liked her very much and she is a solid leader

I thought it was 2012 also but I imagine that is wrong. I can now say with Warrior of light's helmet on the floor like that, There will be an all new story.