Do Guys like Girl Gamers more as opposed to non-Girl Gamers

[Bambi]

Ehhh it's annoying when folk realise you're female, I'm rarely on the ps3, but when we had a random FFF gathering in PSHome or whatever its called i wish i hadnt bothered. I think ive been on briefly a couple of times actually, you randomly talk to folk, they get wind that you are female, next thing you're getting inboxed asking for your msn/pics.

All that asl business pecks head as well, why does it even matter, do onnnnnne

I remember being on my brothers Xbox on some car racing game, and all his pals tormented the crap out of me, in jest mind, but I can only imagine how irritating that would have been if I was just random female joining the group. The addition of mics takes away anonymity

I think most of these boys are this dude:

As for folk liking girl gamers more, I really do think its just preference, if you're chatting to a dude and you both game, of course he's gunna think its cool, because you have similiar interests, I don't think there's much else to read into it really other than that

My exes havent really been big gamers, so the fact that I was didn't really bother them either way, unless I was putting summat of for 'FIVE MORE MINUTES IVE ALMOST GOT THIS NAILED' thing...

 

[SapphireStar]

Oh God, the whole "Send us a pic of your tits!! Prove ur a girl!!!" Oh piss off already you stupid little boy. Go wank on your daddys porn and let me kill some fucking pixels lolz.

 

[Davey Gaga]

Well, you've obviously never met a misogynist have you? You've never had a religious person say your the spawn of sin. Trust me, archaic individuals exist aplenty, and they filter their opinions down into their children, who will perpetuate such ideas. It's a pretty powerful cycle. And those children go on to get jobs and go to school.... and play games online. So yeah, it is still a problem.

A bit dramatic there, you make it sound like there's a war being Mudbloods and Pure-Bloods going on (yes, I'm re-reading the Harry Potter series, so what? )!

And the fact that a game that nearly no one likes is being seen as 'girly' just shows that there is a considerable stigma attached to anything feminine, which is considered as weak and unwanted.

A bit presumptious - I gather that the majority of players despise the game due to its poor quality, the fact that it's a spin-off and ruined the X ending and its rather uninteresting nature. I very much doubt that the same majority blame it on the fact that the three main characters are women.

A car is a girly car if it has pathetic horsepower and design. It's a girly item if it is lame or flimsy. It was this definition of the game called 'girly' that I had a problem with, because really, the game is just bad and unappealing a majority of people. There's still plenty of negative attitude toward the female sex, it's just a lot more subtle now; it's societal, almost none of it is by law.

I think there's a bit of stereotyping going on here at the expense of the man, to be honest. "Girly car" sounds a bit like a response you'd get in a terrible show on Comedy Central, not something you tend to hear an awful lot on the street.

Yes, there's plenty of people who speak ill of women but to be perfectly honest I've yet to meet a single woman who, at some point in their life, hasn't bashed the entire male half of the population in a stereotypical fashion. I'm not saying either makes a stronger point/there's more or less negative attitudes on one side, I'm saying it pretty much balances out.

However, women are still paid less than a man doing the exact same work. There's plenty of this around if you just open your eyes and look around. Has there been change? Absolutely, no argument there. Is there still a ways to go before fair treatment is reached? Definitely.

That's something you'll have to take up with your boss, not the members of PSN.

And if you truly believe that gamers online don't treat you any differently because of your sex, then you're being simply ignorant. I did not buy a game and pay for online service just to be cluster fucked by a bunch of assholes.

I'm sorry if you feel like men are against you because you were killed in a game. Again, a bit presumptious - although it's possible they did, I find it unusual for a group of boys to gang up on a girl just because you're a girl. I think the reason that might effect you a bit more is because (and forgive me for getting a bit personal) you always seem to act like one of those "I am an empowered woman and ain't no man gonna bring me down!" individuals (not necessarily a bad thing btw) and tbh when you get men like me who're tired of hearing that because they feel there's no need for it (read: because we don't feel any imbalance between the sexes) then they feel like knocking you down a peg or two.

Now where was I...

That being said, as I've already made VERY CLEAR in the above 'rant', not all guy gamers online are like this. I've met several that are downright fair and have no other agenda than to play a game and have fun. But those cases are sporadic at best.

I won't deny I don't play an awful lot of online gaming, but one game I do play online is Starcraft. Some of the best players across the world are women (there are fewer of them than men but they do exist) and there's just no 'prejudice'.

I honestly don't think there's an awful lot of misogynism in the world anymore (excluding some religions and cultures but we'll save that for another time). The only time I ever see the word is in conversations like this where one person feels a bit butt-hurt because they've been wronged by a man.

It's time to face the fact that yes, there is a double standard in treatment between the sexes and it isn't limited by any medium. It's quite silly to think otherwise. Now, with that wrapped up, if you wish to pursue this line of discussion, than I formally request that you make a separate thread for it. This really isn't the topic of this thread, and it would be spamming to keep on going here. I'll be glad to take you up on another thread or PM if you like. Thank you.

--Dragon Mage

Why post a response that largely has nothing to do with "the topic of the thread"? It was only a matter of time before it spread out from women complaining about bad experiences. If you talk about sexism in gaming it's inevitable that sexism in other stretches of life comes up.

Short version - you have tits, I have a penis, we're both allowed to play the same game and very few people want us dead for it.

 

[Dee]

While I think the rant was a bit over dramatized myself, Kerrigan, I do have to say that misogyny still exists but in different forms. In the 60s when women really said EFF this, we're human beings, we're just as capable and we want to be treated equally, things really changed. We broke free from the reigns of convention, we burned our bras and we put our foots down. And things changed. The definition of a woman had changed yet again, as it does throughout history. But the idea, the concept of this hatred for women--the supposed 'weaker' sex--changed as well.

When I say it changed, I mean for men as well. In my perspective, as a woman, I find myself becoming numb to the 'jokes' about women being over emotional, nurturing, fragile, weak, frail, good for nothing but cooking, cleaning and making babies (and taking care of those babies). While the jokes don't pack as much punch as they did half a century ago (because they weren't jokes then), they are still slung around like they're actually funny, like there is still some kind of humor behind them.

When I'm in school, I find it difficult to talk much about my interests (video games, anime, manga--though mainly the video games), because it is still such a male-dominated recreation. Absolutely none of the girls in either my undergraduate or graduate schools, that I knew of, were gamers; at least not as avid as myself. And these are pretty big schools we're talking about, but this is just one example of an experience from one measly woman.

I can only imagine, being a woman, that it is very much different for a man when attempting to look through eyes of a woman in today's world. It is damn near impossible, unless you are a man who has the stereotypical characteristics of a female, to really, truly understand what misogyny towards women is like and just where in life we come across it. Most men didn't have to come into a female body, into the preexisting contour, this cookie cutter idealism already shaped for a woman or an individual who has more feminine qualities; that is, in regards to those who still embrace such pig-headed, chauvinistic ideals.

What I'm saying here is that unless you are a woman, you will never know what it is like to walk into a video game store and have a bunch of guys gawk at you when you start spouting about how many ranks you got today playing CoD, or holding a video game in your hand, for that matter. Or when you speak on your headset during a multiplayer match; especially when the players are strangers. Go ahead and go into a game, listen for the female you don't know and really listen to the way in which other players (males) interact.

There does still exist a double standard, even if it is ever-changing.

And there are still some females who are extremely irate about the fact that it still exists, those die-hard feminists who make it a point to, whenever they have the chance, shove it in your face.

I take a more passive-aggressive approach and save myself the trouble of wasting my breath. I play video games and God damnit I am going to shout it from the mountain tops!

 

[Excalibur-king]

I have never meet an attractive female girl to be honest.

i do like to piss off girls when i play video games for too long though hehe..

 

[SapphireStar]

I have never meet an attractive female girl to be honest.

i do like to piss off girls when i play video games for too long though hehe..

Wow ... you are going to be soooooooooo popular on a gaming site that has a good size number of female gaming members ...

 

[L]

in reply to the OP's question:

not really.

But guys are always going to ask to see your tits online, most of them live on a godforsaken ship known as the "Mastfest", and refuse to leave it because pwning n00bs and upgrading their e-pen0r is more important than personal hygiene and having to talk to chicks irl. real tits are their one and only form of salvation

 

[Dincht]

Wow ... you are going to be soooooooooo popular on a gaming site that has a good size number of female gaming members ...

I think to some guys, the concept of a girl being a gamer is a bit of a phenomenon. So, when it happens, they don't what to do, panic and resort to asking for 'proof' that you're a girl.

Personally I don't see the problem with it.

 

[Morrigan]

I don't get any attention for it really.And usually don't go through the trouble to mention it since in most cases it turns out like "Are you playing Barbie or something?"
So yeah,if it will only bring me people who will make a fool out of me,then I don't need to yell that I play video games.Really...
To me it seems that guys(at least here where I live) to acknowledge you as a gamer is if you play shooter-action games.And I hate shooters anyway.
But it seems like guys play games more during their childhood and during adolescence as they grow up they give up.It's just such a shame...cause I have promised myself that even when I hit my 40s I'll still hold strong on my controller.It's kinda hard to find gamers in general,you'll either find casual ones or hardcore ones that totally devote their lives to it.Can't there be something in between?haha
Like I said I haven't noticed any interest when I've mentioned playing games,most likely I've received attention of "let's make fun of a girl who plays games",doesn't mean that I have to act totally like a guy to be taken seriously...or is that how I am supposed to act?

 

[van fanel]

no, i dated a girl who didn't like video games, but we only dated for 5 weeks because i was too addicted to video games to pay any attention to her. but now, i am dateing that girl again and i am less addicted to video games now. so your theory just got shutdown, sorry.

 

[Dragon Mage]

A bit dramatic there, you make it sound like there's a war being Mudbloods and Pure-Bloods going on (yes, I'm re-reading the Harry Potter series, so what?

)!

Ah, forgive me. I'm afraid I get a bit worked up on this matter! No ill intent was meant by it -- my wrath was entirely directed at the sexist jackwagons of the world, not you. :3

A bit presumptious - I gather that the majority of players despise the game due to its poor quality, the fact that it's a spin-off and ruined the X ending and its rather uninteresting nature. I very much doubt that the same majority blame it on the fact that the three main characters are women.

Um... No, I was talking about the person I had quoted and was replying to. He said the game was 'girly' and very influenced by girls.... and since he was talking about it in a negative way, you have there the association between 'frilly and worthless' -- as described in the word 'girly' -- and the female sex. Nothing to do with the main characters, I was addressing the one member's way of describing it.

I think there's a bit of stereotyping going on here at the expense of the man, to be honest. "Girly car" sounds a bit like a response you'd get in a terrible show on Comedy Central, not something you tend to hear an awful lot on the street.

Yes, there's plenty of people who speak ill of women but to be perfectly honest I've yet to meet a single woman who, at some point in their life, hasn't bashed the entire male half of the population in a stereotypical fashion. I'm not saying either makes a stronger point/there's more or less negative attitudes on one side, I'm saying it pretty much balances out.

Okay, so 'girly car' was a bad example. No argument there! But my statement stands.

When describing something that is frilly and emotional and essentially a popularity flick (x-2) why describe it as 'girly'? Why not just describe it as simply bad? If something is considered 'girly' or 'feminine' that's a used to describe a negative trait; but if it's described as 'masculine' or 'manly' that's used to describe a positive trait. It's little things like that which really make it bad for guys, honestly: It's perfectly fine for a woman to enter a career area normally dominated by men, but when a guy wants to major in fashion design? Oh, no, that simply won't do. He must be gay (because, by some backwards thinking gay guys are not really 'guys'). Fashion design is too girly for a guy to go into.

This is simply not so. And it makes it tough on the guys out there because of social stigma. To be considered a woman, you can do nearly whatever you like, in spite of your career. To be considered a true man, you can only do things that's hardass and dangerous -- to hell if you like baking or dancing instead. It isn't manly enough; those things are too girly. You gotta become an engineer or a sports athlete or a pilot -- manly things, see?

In reality, those things are neither -- they just are. So social stigma for treating anything feminine as a negative trait hurts both sides.

Okay, stepping off my soapbox now.

I'm sorry if you feel like men are against you because you were killed in a game. Again, a bit presumptious - although it's possible they did, I find it unusual for a group of boys to gang up on a girl just because you're a girl. I think the reason that might effect you a bit more is because (and forgive me for getting a bit personal) you always seem to act like one of those "I am an empowered woman and ain't no man gonna bring me down!" individuals (not necessarily a bad thing btw) and tbh when you get men like me who're tired of hearing that because they feel there's no need for it (read: because we don't feel any imbalance between the sexes) then they feel like knocking you down a peg or two.

Yes, I'm dead sure they did it because I was a girl. I do believe one member's exact words were, "A girl? Let's go fuck her."

I'm dead serious. Everytime I respawned, I got clusterfucked like you wouldn't believe. That isn't fun. That isn't amusing. It isn't even a bad joke. It's just downright mean and petty. And their excuse? They all had penises and I didn't. So let's go rape the gurl.

And, um, thanks for the careful wording, but I'm not a FemiNazi. No chest-thumping here. No "ME EMPOWERED, YOU BETTA WATCH OUT!". Bitches that do that make the rest of us look bad. Real bad. You find one that does that, please slap her for me.

It pisses me off because it was intentional, I know darn well it was intentional, and it was for a petty, totally inconsequential reason. It was done just to be mean. Like I said before, I didn't shell out the money for the game and online service just to be slaughtered by a bunch of jerk-offs that have only a fern for companionship.

Imagine it this way. You get online and you join a game expecting to have some mindless, blow-em-up fun! But, all the gamers are girls. "A guy? Cool, let's fuck him up!" This isn't honest fun, this is a 15 on one battle! You're almost dead as soon as your feet hit the floor from the spawn point. Not to mention there's all those derogatory, sexist cracks going left and right in your ears. That's what it's like. Now do that every day for an hour with the same results.

You begin to see why I'm a bit irked? I don't ask for others to cower so I can shoot them down, I just want to play as it was meant to be played, not be the virtual victim of a virtual hate crime.

I won't deny I don't play an awful lot of online gaming, but one game I do play online is Starcraft. Some of the best players across the world are women (there are fewer of them than men but they do exist) and there's just no 'prejudice'.

I honestly don't think there's an awful lot of misogynism in the world anymore (excluding some religions and cultures but we'll save that for another time). The only time I ever see the word is in conversations like this where one person feels a bit butt-hurt because they've been wronged by a man.

Ah, I see why your experience would differ. It's a tad bit of a different ball of wax with Halo online. See, with Halo, there's that one avatar you can directly savage -- in the most basic use of the word. It's an identity and entity you can see and shoot and watch die. But with a strategy game like Starcraft, there's only the omnipresent 'commander'. There's only the movement of the troops. So the identity between the screen and the person behind the screen has been separated quite a bit. Not so with FPS games.

And you're right, mysogynism is tossed around a lot by butt-hurt jackwagons. But that by no means says it doesn't exist! Hello, Middle East? Saudi Arabia? Here's and example of what women are worth there: "Murder, accidental death and bodily harm are open to punishment from the victim's family. Retribution may be sought in kind or through blood money. The blood money payable for a woman's accidental death, or that of a Christian male [16] is half as much as that for a Muslim male.[17] All others (Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs) are valued at 1/16th. The main reason for this is that, according to Islamic law, men are expected to be providers for their families and therefore are expected to earn more money in their lifetimes.

... he freedom of women is seriously restricted inside Saudi Arabia. In addition to restrictions on driving, women are not allowed to travel without the permission of their closest male relative. This can result in women being restricted from travel by their sons or younger brothers. Women who are divorced are required to return to the home of their father and any travel must then be approved by him. This means that women of 30 or more years old cannot make independent decisions without the approval of male relatives."

Misogyny is alive and well, good friend, and to brush it off is to not recognize the virulence of such a belief. I was once told by a man at the Ann Arbor Art Show -- one of the biggest art shows in the world -- that I was inferior to men. When I told him that wasn't true, he waved a Bible in my face and shouted, "How do you know? It says it right here that you are!"

I was literally being told, here, in America, that I was inferior for no other reason than I was female. The best part is, he was sitting in the Socialist Democrat non-profit political booth. So yeah. I will classify consistent acts of absolute savagery in a video game as 'misogyny' when there is no other reason given than 'gurl shold be in ktchen.'

Why post a response that largely has nothing to do with "the topic of the thread"? It was only a matter of time before it spread out from women complaining about bad experiences. If you talk about sexism in gaming it's inevitable that sexism in other stretches of life comes up.

Short version - you have tits, I have a penis, we're both allowed to play the same game and very few people want us dead for it.

Well, I'd prefer not to derail the thread too much. And no, it isn't a matter of time until it become a sob-mob thread. Why would you think that? It is, in fact, you're very posts that are pushing the thread toward that very area. This thread, I will remind you, was not started about sexism in gaming -- it was about whether or not guys like girl gamers.

Well? Do you?

 

[Gaige]

I wouldn't say I prefer it as such. I do like seeing girls game. Really, gamers are too often stereotyped as spotty, middle aged men living in a basement or some other form of seclusion, and so it's nice to see a girl come along and break the stereotype.

Also, when I've played the likes of Tekken or FF with a nice mix of boys and girls, it feels a little more balanced. Sometimes just hanging out with boys is nice yeah, but you don't want a sausage fest (for want of a better term :8F) 24/7

So I wouldn't say I'd PREFER girls so much as I like to see em get involved, break the stereotype, and just have a little fun gaming with the rest of us. We don't have the monopoly on gaming, so if they wanna join a game, treat them like you'd treat anyone else and let em have fun.

And about the whole games being made girly thing. I don't really see that as being possible. Male dominated games aren't really noticed, so if a game is female dominated, it's hardly gonna change my opinion if I like the gameplay and the story. It's not even a factor for whether I personally enjoy the game.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Argh argh argh

It has nothing to do with the characters being female or not!!!!

I was merely pointing out that 'girly' is a bad term to use because it associates feminine traits with being undesirable traits. It was semantics!!!! Fuck if I care if the characters are male or female or hermaphrodites! Just, 'girly' is a bad term and because a game is bad doesn't make it 'girly'. That's it! That's all I meant!

 

[Gaige]

I was talking about male and female dominated as in dominated by male or female PLAYERS. Not characters. I get your point, and I agree with it. But my post was talking more about MMORPGs than games with defining male/female protaganists.

 

[Dragon Mage]

OH!

Okay, I take back my arghing. :3 Sorry, totally did not get that in what you were saying. My bad!

 

[strifehart]

Yes! A thousand times over, yes! But it has nothing to do with games. It's the same reason why guys are attracted to girls who play/watch sports. It's about being able to connect with someone about something. Like, if a girl kept talking about rainbows and ponies and myspace.com (obviously, i'm exaggerating), i think most guys would lose interest fast. But if she starts talking about how she pwned some noobs last night on xbox live, then conversation becomes a bit more interesting.

 

[L]

I think when I was in here earlier, I'd been talking about something more off topic.

But, personally? No. I like for a girl to have about as much in common with me as a spoon does with a fork.

This allows for a lot of leeway in privacy, for both people.

Like say I was to hook up with a girl, I really wouldn't want her to be into posting on message boards, especially the same message boards. I don't want her all up in my business and to conflict views on how gay Square Enix is or not all day.

For me, privacy is a very important thing for me. I don't like for people to learn too much about me without asking.

Plus, I think it's more interesting to broaden your horizons instead of being with someone else stapled to a "same shit, different day" feeling.

 

[Sum1sgruj]

Ha, I wish I was lucky enough to get with a girl gamer. Most girls I've been with are more into.. well i dunno- drama?
Lol, I think girl gamers are more in-tune with themselves than nonsense, if you ask me