Enix, FF's doom?

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sooo, here's the deal

i've been scouring these forums some bit, and i found that ever since SQ merged with Enix, things have gone down... less quality games, etc...

so, as the title suggest... is Enix final fantasy's doom?

EDIT: i reread my post, and it isn't exactly making my point... perhaps it's more just to say... is Enix doom to FF as we know it?

people usually don't like change, and though i haven't played all FF's, the most succesfull FF's are those with a strong story and gameplay

as i've seen it, people did not like FFX-2 story, neither they liked FFXII story nor gameplay(because it's totally different, slightly based on the MMO)
in 1 whip the random battle fights were gone, the real turn based fight, gone, the private arena, gone...
 
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You know something, FFX took a drastic turn IMO. It was new and different what with being on a new console and all.

Then FFXI came out as an online game, and I didn't even get any say in the gameplay because I don't want to pay a monthly fee to play my favorite game series.

And I was too bored with FFXII to finish it. =[
 
No, Enix is not the cause of it. Really, both companies were not exactly living up to the public's expectations anymore. So they merged to be what some would think to be a super company.

Anyways, Square was putting out bad games long before Enix merged with them. And Enix has always made good games. They were just more favorable in Japan.

I mean, Dragon Quest is a much bigger deal than Final Fantasy is in Japan. Hell, japanese people could be saying that Square is making them look bad (which they wouldn't cause FFXII got 10s).

When it comes down to it, it's all about personal opinion. I am presonally really happy they merged. Its an RPG powerhouse.
 
It's not doomed. They seem to be kicking up quite a storm with these future projects hm?

Risks have to be taken. Hence why FFXII was such a kick in the face for some. Either you accepted the changes, or you didn't.
 
Judge Rulia said:
It's not doomed. They seem to be kicking up quite a storm with these future projects hm?

Risks have to be taken. Hence why FFXII was such a kick in the face for some. Either you accepted the changes, or you didn't.
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afaik FFX was still a SQ creation
while FFX-2, FFXI and FFXII are S-E creations, i could be wrong, but it does say "squaresoft" at the start of FFX

and i did hear a lot of bad things about those last 3, though i just adored FFX-2, mainly cause it followed FFX, my all time fav
 
I remember there were a few Enix games that I really didn't like, this somewhat soured my opinion of Enix as a games company, that's why I prefer Square when they were still Squaresoft.

Plus it was Squaresoft that made Secret of Mana and Final Fantasy VII. ;)
 
Look, Square and Enix are are examples of the few companies that deserved my hard earned cash. I have never been dissapointed.

Mix them together and a'm still not dissapointed. It's hip to be Square-Enix.
 
i kind of think enix screwed square in the rear end. wait a sec square screwed themselves because they agreed to combine with enix. And i agree with white mage, square was good until enix fused, creating 11...i was told you could not even play that game for free, i guess they did not think about the people who maybe didnt have internet or the fees to pay monthly. so enix put a gap into the ff series for me.
 
Rhea said:
You know something, FFX took a drastic turn IMO. It was new and different what with being on a new console and all.[
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FFX was made before the merge with Enix. Check on the case and it says "SquareSoft", so for criticizers, that point isn't valid.

IMO, games are only getting better since the merge and will continue to do so. Sure I wasn't too fond of FFXI being online, but they sure as hell delivered a great present when FFXII was released. Gameplay grpahics, and controls were amazingly awesome to view and control.

Want to blame the characters explanations and story line? Sure I can see where the characters not being fully explained can be a flaw, but the story is mature, in-depth, and puzzling until you look deeper into it. Squenix doesn't spoon-feed you everything; you have to put effort into the game and the research to take in the whole concept. What do you want? A sesame Street or Pokemon game where the plot is spelled out in​
big red letters​

and half the characters talk like 5 year olds? No.

Square Enix with FFXII dished out a plot that takes your gamer skills to a whole new level when trying to deciper a videogame storyline. Most bang for your buck my amigos. Well worth it.
 
wait a sec square screwed themselves because they agreed to combine with enix.
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No. They saved themselves by agreeing to the merger. It's true that Squaresoft no longer exists, but for all intents and purposes it still does - it's legacy and franchises are still around. It's key employees are part of the new company - the President of Square Enix was the former president of Square, not of Enix, and this despite the fact that Enix absorbed Square (rather than vice versa).

Squaresoft was having real financial problems back in the day, mainly because of the box office disaster that was Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. If Squaresoft had tried to carry on by itself, the company would probably have folded within a few years, or at least have been releasing lower quality games due to not having the funding they had back in the mid to late 90s.

Whether or not the pre-merger FF games are better than the post-merger FF games is irrelevant. If there had been no merger, there may not have been an FFXII at all.
 
Rhea said:
You know something, FFX took a drastic turn IMO. It was new and different what with being on a new console and all.

Then FFXI came out as an online game, and I didn't even get any say in the gameplay because I don't want to pay a monthly fee to play my favorite game series.

And I was too bored with FFXII to finish it. =[
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FFX was Squaresoft still. I still have the original game before they merged and it says squaresoft.

I don't think it's enix's fault though.

They've only made 2 FFs during the merge. FF11 and FF12. FF11 was online. That was square trying to experiment with the online market and i beleive they were working on this before they merged even though it was released under the title of square enix.

FF12 i admit was pretty bad. But hey in their whole FF career i'd say they were entitled to at least ONE bad game. Not every FF released will be pure gold.

You can argue that FF8 was pretty bad but i honestly don't think it was that bad. Aside from the battle system i found FF8 to be pretty great.

Don't worry about it though guys FF13 looks to be great. I don't think this will bring it back.
 
the actual point was, if Enix changes FF as we know it is? not really make it less popular(perhaps this is true for people like me who actually tend to hold onto old things and don't want to let go of them)

if change occurs you lose people, and you gain people, that's an abvious fact, however, i was wondering is Enix actually changes FF to a point, it's so different from the FFs we know, it can't really be called an FF anymore?
for more of a "wannabe-FF"

to the above poster, SE made FFX-2, though a sequal it's still an official FF and not a spin-off, so in fact they made more then just 2 games, though it's based on original ideas from SQ

on top of that, i am quite worried about FFXIII, mainly because i'm going to have the feeling it will be a "second FFXII", which would totally let me down...
considering i didn't like FFXII half as much as i liked FFX for example
 
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I don't think Enix has any say so in what happens in what square Produces. They just linked up because of FF: Spirits within which caused a major loss in funds for Square.
 
Laharl said:
I don't think Enix has any say so in what happens in what square Produces. They just linked up because of FF: Spirits within which caused a major loss in funds for Square.
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i do think they've changed out all of their best developers from both companies on FF... because of its major success, meaning that Enix workers do work on FF
 
Doesn't neccesarily mean they help design the games. I think that if their is any failure with the Series it's square's fault because it's there creation anyway and they shouldn't really let an outside force tamper with it improperly.
 
Laharl said:
Doesn't neccesarily mean they help design the games. I think that if their is any failure with the Series it's square's fault because it's there creation anyway and they shouldn't really let an outside force tamper with it improperly.
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new style = new costumers = more costumers = more money

ya?
 
The games sure have changed since Square Enix took over. The recent games just don't feel like Final Fantasy. But that doesn't mean that they are bad or anything. However, there are a few things we could do with out, such as pop music from X2.
 
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