FFVIII's Bad Reputation.

Even if the game wasn't futuristic as FFVII or fantasy oriented as its successor and predecessors, I like eight because of its story and its music. I like the idea of military academy taking Sorcessess who go wayward after while but I just wish that they added more playable characters in and expanded on some matter. Not that the game itself wasn't good enough of course but I just wish that they expanded on some things such as the Sorcessess War, the Great Hyne, GFs and Ultimecia herself. The whole timeloop idea was great idea but I just wish that we could have more playable SeeDs not that the group we have is bad or anything. Just a thought I had.
 
i like final fantasy VIII. its one of my favorites. the story is good even though most people just dont like it.
 
There's always going to be things in a game that not everybody is going to like.
The way I see it, if Rinoa was perfect and not so snobby and whatever, people wouldnt like it either. The Junction system wasn't that bad. The fact that you had to redo it everytime one of the dreams pops up, was bad. I dislike it when I put lots of time into 'perfecting' the stats of a character, it's deleted because of some event in the game. But still that doesnt happen that much.
Also If you detest drawing al that magic, then try refining it from items and such by using GF's abilities.
And one last small thing, in the Japanese version, the relationship between Seifer and Rinoa is not a love one. Its lost in translation like. Pure friendship.
Doens't matter that much. The whole lovetriangle thing makes it a bit interesting anyway.
Also the you in my story, is nobody in perticular.
 
A friend of mine considers this to be the weakest title in the series whereas I see it as no better or worse than 9 or 10, worse than 7 and better than 12.

A lot of posts have addressed the problems at length. This game was let down by several key components and all these small setbacks make for a big amount of disliking.

Following 7 was always going to be hellish, personally I don't think the series has a suitable successor yet and probably wont until Square-Enix finally get around to remaking it. (A game which will probably be the undisputable best game of all time.)

I imagine the remake of all the pre-FFX titles is likely. VII will probably gain PS3 reverence whilst VIII will probably not. (I see the PSP or the DS in FFVIII's future)

I think the best overview of the problems of FFVIII is it takes more than it gives the player. A lot of time has to be dedicated to the battle system and a lot of fan theories have to plaster over the gaping holes in the storyline.

Plus I think it may have been the first Final Fantasy that tried to be mature and sensible and maybe we forgive it less for its flaws because it lacks that whimsical charm of previous, cuter installments. (No central Moogles :O)
Plus Squall is pretty unlikeable besides his excellent visual appearance and weapon. Rinoa is beyond annoying too.
 
Final Fantasy Eight was my first game i got and i played all the through several times before it quit on me then i bought a New and continued It is very fun and easy to play
 
affynity said:
I think the best overview of the problems of FFVIII is it takes more than it gives the player. A lot of time has to be dedicated to the battle system and a lot of fan theories have to plaster over the gaping holes in the storyline.
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And those holes are? Or did you not expect anyone to challenge your specious claim?
Ahh the battle system, you didn't like drawing magic? You could like Krysta said, refine it.

Plus I think it may have been the first Final Fantasy that tried to be mature and sensible and maybe we forgive it less for its flaws because it lacks that whimsical charm of previous, cuter installments. (No central Moogles :O)
Plus Squall is pretty unlikeable besides his excellent visual appearance and weapon. Rinoa is beyond annoying too.
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It doesn't have moogles, therefore it's bad?
I think not.
SQUALL R EMO?!!!111? is that why you don't like him?
Well he isn't emo, and the you could also say Cloud was an emo.
You find Rinoa annoying? I find Aeris annoying.

Following 7 was always going to be hellish, personally I don't think the series has a suitable successor yet and probably wont until Square-Enix finally get around to remaking it. (A game which will probably be the undisputable best game of all time.)

I imagine the remake of all the pre-FFX titles is likely. VII will probably gain PS3 reverence whilst VIII will probably not. (I see the PSP or the DS in FFVIII's future)
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Your FF7 fanboyism is not relevant, and can you please refrain from it, incase I'm sick.

IMO FFVIII is a good game, perhaps it doesn't have that overrrated slutty appeal of FF7, but it is good.
 
Liked em both as much as each other. Would go into the whys and wherefores, but I have just eaten a big meal and need to sleep. It's a middle age thing
 
8 was my first exposure to Final Fantasy and RPGs in general. I seriously cant find fault with this game. i can understand why some people may hate it as following 7 was a little tough. But each to his own I suppose.
 
Magic Dirt said:
And those holes are? Or did you not expect anyone to challenge your specious claim?
Ahh the battle system, you didn't like drawing magic? You could like Krysta said, refine it.


It doesn't have moogles, therefore it's bad?
I think not.
SQUALL R EMO?!!!111? is that why you don't like him?
Well he isn't emo, and the you could also say Cloud was an emo.
You find Rinoa annoying? I find Aeris annoying.


Your FF7 fanboyism is not relevant, and can you please refrain from it, incase I'm sick.

IMO FFVIII is a good game, perhaps it doesn't have that overrrated slutty appeal of FF7, but it is good.
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Let's see 12 draws minimum to get 100 copies OR refining 500 copies of a spell to make 100 of a stronger spell. Now I only have GCSE maths but if it's 12 draws minimum and 500 spells to refine 100 higher copies that's 5x12...oh say... 60 draws. So 12 or 60 isn't good WHICHEVER way you slice it.

Squall is unlikeable because he offers very little to the player. He simply comes across as bratty and moody and as such does not develop as a protagonist would normally be expected. A right of passage in narrative is not going from purely introverted to suddenly "I want to hear your voice boo hoo"

I didn't say a lack of Moogles was a good or a bad thing. I merely stated it as a comparison to other installments, suggesting VIII is somewhat less jovial. (Aeris also has the good grace and consideration to die)

I shall address the plot holes last. This could take a wh9ile...

Sorceress Possession. "Ultimecia is possessing sorceresses"
At no point does it say she could possess a *potential* sorceress and this is backed up by the fact Edea surrenders her powers in order to be free of the risk of possession YET an allegedly powerless Rinoa gets possessed on 2 separate occasions.

Power paradox. Adel's powers exist twice in one storyline suggesting that if the game's events are cyclic then that power will get stronger and stronger and stronger indefinitely. Why? Adel dies and Rinoa receives her power which ultimately is inherited by Ultimecia, who in turn, gives it to Edea, who will give it to Rinoa, who will give it to Ultimecia. Adel, on the other hand will always receive her power from the original progenitor. (Unnamed Sorcess)

Hyne's descent...Who cares? "Why is Rinoa a sorceress this afternoon?"
"Well according to Dr Stupid of Esthar, sorceresses are all female descendants of Hyne" (of Final Fantasy III) BUT Matron Kramer upon seeing a dying Ultimecia (in the past) says "I'll have those powers, I don't want one of the kids to become a sorceress"
It does suddenly give rise to the thought "well just about anybody could be a sorceress"

Tragic Magic. Sorceresses use magic, GFs let people use para-magic. GFs cause memory problems so hardly anybody uses them apart from Balamb SeeDs... oddly enough every human soldier can cast magic without meeting either being a sorceress or having a GF...

"We'd all prefer an alternative to fighitng" Here's one. Don't even bother going to fight Ultimecia. Dr Odine said his electronic device which can imitate Ellone's energy can't create the effects of her powers but in the (Ultimecia's) future technological advancements mean it can! Erm why not destroy the prototype? Destroy the data surrounding it? The entire 4th disc couldve been avoided.

I don't dislike Final Fantasy VIII. I just think it has a lot of unnecessary problems. Don't eb so quick to undermine people when you miss obvious points like the ones mentioned above.
 
affynity said:
(A game which will probably be the undisputable best game of all time.)
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LOL

There will always be disputes.

Also, better games have been released since FF7. A complete remake is still the same old game.

I thought I had seen some pretty bad fanboyism before, but yours is a fatal case.
 
Aero Anguish said:
LOL

There will always be disputes.

Also, better games have been released since FF7. A complete remake is still the same old game.

I thought I had seen some pretty bad fanboyism before, but yours is a fatal case.
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Reread your post then look around your room for the point. Maybe it fell out of the screen while you were typing because it surely isn't in your post.
You will find that remakes are an inevitable destiny for a successful piece of narrative media. It happens to games, songs, movies, books even products. Remaking comes with the benefit of less creative demand, an almost guaranteed target market and a potential new market leading onto a possible retrospective interest in the original.
Final Fantasy VII has so much of a retro and contemporary network of associated media that the impact of revitalising it should be massive.

Are you going to defy me by claming that Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Gamecube Resident Evil and Mario Allstars are BAD games? Probably not.
Oh and if you noticed a theme to those games it would be Nintendo. Apparently a markettable retrospective cycle is about 20 years. Nintendo and Sega are the most likely candidates to rerelease things because they have the biggest back-catalogue.
 
I wouldn't call the game bad as I would say that the story could use some improvement after the first disc.
 
This game isn't bad...at least it isn't the worst final fantay game.

If it was for me i would say that is the best ff game ever made, maybe not the best storyline (not better from the one in FF7) but if we look at the characters, the music, the graphics and the great lovestory between Squall and Rinoa we will see that this is a great game.
I liked the junctioning system but the thing i hated the most is that i was always afraid of using my magic cause i know it will affect my status.
 
I personally like the game, but the first time I played it, the junctioning system was a bit much to grasp. After I understood the junctiong system though, the game was great. One thing that irritated me though was the fact that even after you understand everything, you cannot skip tutiorials. I have multiple files, but it makes me mad that you cannot skip any tutorials. Aside from that, it was a great game.
 
After reaching Esthar on disc 3 i felt the storyline became rushed & wasn't developed as well as it had previously. Still love the game though.
 
I found, during my first playthrough, that the game has got quite an interesting story. Yes it's a bit rushed at times but generally the story is superb. It has an interesting love story and we actually get to fully see the main character change as he fell in love with her. I also found the junctioning system to be very annoying
 
I don't hate the game, or even dislike it. I love Final Fantasy VIII, but there are cons that put it further down on my list of favourites. Though the story was gripping and such, like many have said, it was essentially all about Squall and Rinoa. Squall was the moody, silent, type and Rinoa was like a child. These two characters developed nicely, however, and there relationship was nice to follow.

The worst thing about this game was the Drawing. How repetitive and boring that process was. It was just a yawn fest, really, and on the second playthrough (and third, and so on) it was unbeareable. The Junctioning system made the game far too easy and I found myself attacking most of the time with only certain spells being cast; including Meltdown, Protect, Aura, Double, Tripple and Haste and your standard restorative spells. Even those weren't used that much. They just packed little punch, even with the Junctioning set to Magic.

The ease of the game was laughable at most times. I mean, you have Siefer who looks to be one of your great rivals who'll provide a great challenge; and what you get is him tickling you with his blade. The game just lacked any threats. The only real challenge was the Triple Triad (man, Random is a bitch).

I still think that, overall, it was an enjoyable game and retained that magic that makes a FF so beautiful. The music is absolutely superb.
 
oh man, i hated drawing and junctioning magic. It would have been nice if you can draw magic and have unlimited of it. But the game wasnt that bad, i kinda liked it. I just hated certain parts of the game, like the beginning of the game, how boring it is. Its like they force you to read the manual in the game lol
 
I loved the start of the game, it still gives me goosebumps. You can skip tutorials i think. Im not sure, ive never tired myself.
 
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