Final Fantasy has gone down-hill

[Sheechiibii]

I admit calling DoB a direct sequel is wrong it is a distant sequel to the original FFVII, It seems that we are not on the same page when talking about sequels/prequels. I am saying that in a narrative/story stand point it doesn't matter if Zack is the main character in CC due to the fact that the main story of CC (In a narrative sequence) will lead you to the events of FF VII and that is why it is a direct prequel from the original game. As i explain further why CC is what you also called a spin off because it was part of the huge (Zack is the main character which obviously who plays a minor role from the original game and thus the whole CC revolves much around him same thing can be said on FFX-2 which evolves around Yuna technically X-2 is also a spin-off of the original X game) next is CC is part of the huge story of FFVII as a whole (CC, DoB, Before Crisis, Final Fantasy Last Order & FF 7 AC) but each of these were all a sequel from the original FF VII in a narrative/story standpoint.

Yeah i can see that!!But what is the exact thing on why people are displeased on the game? And there can only be something within the game and it revolves around this categories (Story, Plot, Gameplay Mechanics, Battle System, Characters, World Building). Call of Duty is hardcore gaming and literally majority of the Hardcore gamers would like that.

Yuna was not a side character, she was the main character along with Tidus though. But fair enough, we'll call CC a direct prequel. It doesn't really change my point, there's still never been a direct sequel/prequel that has done as badly as LR did, since CC got about 30% of the sales VII did.

I find that people dislike the game for many different reasons, some dislike the story, some the gameplay, some the battle/level system etc. Whatever those reasons are in particular don't really matter as on the whole a majority of fans were unhappy with the game. That, to me, is not a success when the game is in a series and the next games in the series could suffer (or have suffered) because of it.

 

[Battlecry]

Yuna was not a side character, she was the main character along with Tidus though. But fair enough, we'll call CC a direct prequel. It doesn't really change my point, there's still never been a direct sequel/prequel that has done as badly as LR did, since CC got about 30% of the sales VII did.

I find that people dislike the game for many different reasons, some dislike the story, some the gameplay, some the battle/level system etc. Whatever those reasons are in particular don't really matter as on the whole a majority of fans were unhappy with the game. That, to me, is not a success when the game is in a series and the next games in the series could suffer (or have suffered) because of it.

FF XIII LR was the second sequel from the game in short span of time, the reason on why people dislike that game its just simply because they want another game that does not involve XIII, but that doesn't affect the overall success of XIII like i said before XIII-2 which came after XIII did sell well and people bought it though the sales drop much like X-2 and CC.

Exactly.....people dislike the game based on story, gameplay, battle system etc and that's a given fact not only in XIII but also from the previous titles...do you know why people are displease? Its not that FF XIII is different from any other FF titles since it still has some of the elements of FF. But the major reason is that people wanted new things it lacks the elements of what rpg's are today (Western RPG) Skyrim, Oblivion. Think about it FF fanbase is just a small part of the gaming world not all rpg gamers are a huge fan of FF. Even though i still fine it successful due to the fact that the game sells.

 

[Sheechiibii]

FF XIII LR was the second sequel from the game in short span of time, the reason on why people dislike that game its just simply because they want another game that does not involve XIII, but that doesn't affect the overall success of XIII like i said before XIII-2 which came after XIII did sell well and people bought it though the sales drop much like X-2 and CC.

Exactly.....people dislike the game based on story, gameplay, battle system etc and that's a given fact not only in XIII but also from the previous titles...do you know why people are displease? Its not that FF XIII is different from any other FF titles since it still has some of the elements of FF. But the major reason is that people wanted new things it lacks the elements of what rpg's are today (Western RPG) Skyrim, Oblivion. Think about it FF fanbase is just a small part of the gaming world not all rpg gamers are a huge fan of FF. Even though i still fine it successful due to the fact that the game sells.

I know some people disliked some of the previous games. People are always going to have varying opinions. However, it's pretty clear that XIII has a reputation for being disliked and hated, it's not just some people, it's most of the people who bought it who disliked it, whatever their reasons (I've never heard anyone say it was because it didn't feel like a western RPG). If it wasn't in a series I would have said such things don't matter, but they do in a series because they affect future sales, they effect the franchise as a whole, it's reputation and how trusting people will buy the next games. There's a bigger picture with instalments in a franchise that doesn't exist with single stand-alone games. FFXIII's sales are a reflection of how successful the Final Fantasy franchise is, not of that one game in particular.

 

[Battlecry]

I know some people disliked some of the previous games. People are always going to have varying opinions. However, it's pretty clear that XIII has a reputation for being disliked and hated, it's not just some people, it's most of the people who bought it who disliked it, whatever their reasons (I've never heard anyone say it was because it didn't feel like a western RPG). If it wasn't in a series I would have said such things don't matter, but they do in a series because they affect future sales, they effect the franchise as a whole, it's reputation and how trusting people will buy the next games. There's a bigger picture with instalments in a franchise that doesn't exist with single stand-alone games. FFXIII's sales are a reflection of how successful the Final Fantasy franchise is, not of that one game in particular.

We have different opinion indeed...though i still stands on what i believe....It's just simple JRPG's are on a decline to which people will buy more RPG games like the Elder Scrolls. Technically i cannot argue about FF XIII being a good game since i haven't played it.

I think this argument will be going nowhere since we have a different opinions and we both know that we cannot make each one agree with each other. But going back on the thread i think FF didn't gone downhill yet, If reasons like bad story, bad characters, bad gameplay etc.


Anyways nice discussion bro!!!

 

[Shaissa]

Hope you two don't mind if I get in the middle of this.

I think I get what you both are saying.

One point can you say that anything from just the simple numbers (1-14) are all spinoffs, like x-2, XIII-2, Crisis Core, etc. Which if you think of these games more as spinoffs rather than sequels/prequels, is it really fair to hope a spinoff does as well as the original? But on the other hand, shouuld a game based directly off main series do just as well? I guess if you ask me I'd say as long as the company doesn't lose money from the game, and makes a profit, the game is a success. I know it's the shallow way to go, but it's how I feel.

To say "most people hated FFXIII" is kinda ignorant. Yes many people hated it, but many people liked it also, on top of that, it was the fastest selling FF game ever, and both sequels I believe sold over 2 million, so I'd say those were successful.

But if we are going argue simple numbers to say if a game was good or not... Isn't every Final Fantasy game terrible minus FFVII and X?

FFVII has probably sold well over 10 million at this point, and with FFX being released in HD, I'd say it has to guess between 8-9 million if not more.

After that? All the other FF games are way less, a few millions less. (FFVIII is just over six million with XIII)

So to simply throw numbers out is a little unfair in my opinion.

I guess what I have to say is, as long as people but it and the company sees it as a success then I guess it is

(also I liked the XIII series, yes I did see flaws with it and no where bear my favorite, but did like it.)

 

[Sheechiibii]

To say "most people hated FFXIII" is kinda ignorant. Yes many people hated it, but many people liked it also, on top of that, it was the fastest selling FF game ever, and both sequels I believe sold over 2 million, so I'd say those were successful.

When I said 'most' I just meant more than 50%. I didn't mean it was a huge majority, just that it was a majority and I do think that's pretty clear going by the reactions from people who bought the game. Lightning Returns sold 1 million, FFXIII-2 sold 3 million. Being fast selling reflects the series as a whole, not the game does it not? Considering anyone who buys the game on it's release doesn't know if they'll like it or not.

But if we are going argue simple numbers to say if a game was good or not... Isn't every Final Fantasy game terrible minus FFVII and X?

FFVII has probably sold well over 10 million at this point, and with FFX being released in HD, I'd say it has to guess between 8-9 million if not more.

After that? All the other FF games are way less, a few millions less. (FFVIII is just over six million with XIII)

So to simply throw numbers out is a little unfair in my opinion.
I guess what I have to say is, as long as people but it and the company sees it as a success then I guess it is

I wasn't arguing that numbers show whether a game is successful or not. I was arguing the opposite, so I agree. I just feel that if a game in a series damages the series reputation and possibly further game sales then it's not done what games in a series are meant to do, which is not only get sales like single stand alone games, but continue to get fans wanting more and buying more from the series. If that's the case I don't think it's been successful. Successful at bringing in money? Sure. Successful as an instalment in a series? Not so much.

 

[DarkDragon2000]

I have to disagree I really liked the 13 trilogy and type 0 hd and am looking forward to 15 and 7 remake when ever that comes to xbox one now let me explain why.

Final Fantasy 13.
Unlike some i really enjoyed the story of ff13 it kept me invested and wanting to see what happened next as for some say the first half being linear I don't mind being the games theme is time as in the clock is ticking you are running for your life in the story everyone is hunting you so you are running to stay alive and it is really fun after you get to gran pulse.
as for the combat I like it needed me to think up strategies on late game bosses they do not go easy on you or leash they didn't on me.
as characters I found them fun my favorite is Lightning she is a complete badass and awesome and I love the fact she uses a gunblade
and she has odin as her summon and odin is my favorite summon I find Snow funny Vanille is funny and her weapon is unique Hope is cool and uses a boomerang to fight that is cool Fang great and a badass and Sazh is fun and he uses duel pistols so bounts points. to me all in all great game

Final Fantasy 13-2
story i still really enjoyed and combat was still really fun as for character Serah is my second favorite character in the trilogy and Noel is a badass as for the ending I didn't mind it in fact it was a great setup for the next game and really emotional I mean damn the FEELS ARE REAL! once again to me all in all great game

Final Fantasy 13 Lightning Returns
this game is still fun and I really enjoyed it the story is fun and enjoyable combat is still fun and character still great as for the timer once again the theme of the trilogy is time in this game as in you are running out of time till you know the world ends so yeah and the ending this is the best way they could of ended the trilogy in my opinion so yeah. once again for me all in all great game

ps. as for the leveing in the 13 trilogy i don't mind it.

Final Fantasy Type 0 HD
Story I found fun and enjoyable combat is really fun and as for characters I like all of them so yeah for me once again great game

now please know this all my opinion i know that but i enjoyed these game and am looking forward to Final Fantasy 15 and the 7 remake when ever that comes to xbox one as for the lack talking about the story even if i enjoyed i don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't played them and if you want my opinion go and play all four of these games I really enjoyed them and will recommend them to anyone who asks and if you do go play them and enjoy them well have fun

 

[flybypie]

Face it: People who desperately want to think the series has gone downhill are just pissed off over the fact that FFXIII was a massive success. That simple fact horrifies them that Square Enix will continue to make games that they don't like but millions of other people do.

Those people will continue to enjoy the series, while a small group of people who can't stand the fact that the FFXIII games are as popular as ever will continue to just poop their diapers and scream at all of the people who shatter their delusions of everyone thinking exactly like them.