Homophobia

[Ilyena]

Let's keep it civil, please. Name-calling is unnecessary. Thanks.

 

[The Master]

Ilyena

Who is name calling?

I'm assuming this is a response to what I said, but then again, I'm probably assuming too much.

Us gay men have a tendency to do that.

 

[CPancer]

I don't know why I had not found this sooner, but now that I have, I'm going to speak my mind.

This post is sick... It just shows how insecure people are about what OTHER people do.

You don't think gay men should kiss in public but its A-O-FREAKING-KAY for a hetero couple to kiss?
This is called discrimination.

I including many other fellow gay men are not sissies. There are normal gay people and then there are fags (female. acting. gentlemen. stereotypes)- is what I like to call them. That being said, its like calling all black individuals criminals (which is not the case.

Another thing. Heterosexual couples can get married but gays can't? If it were not a legal binding contract which is recognized by law, it would be a little less upsetting. WHAT HAPPENED TO SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE!? Oh, and letting gays marry would be good for the economy, there would be more money being spent.

I'll be glad to put all of your hate and phobia to shame and make yourself look even more like a complete loser than that of what you already are.

Being gay is NOT a choice. For some (confused str8 bois) it is. But a true gay person (like myself) grew up knowing that they liked men.

I am catholic, and it has been very stressful living under the "you are going to hell" type stuff. But I believe my God is merciful and just. Oh, and by the way, its also a sin to wear clothes woven with two different fabrics, sinners

Gay people shouldn't be parents/should not adopt? WHY THE HELL NOT? So, a child has the right to be in an orphanage or raised by an abusive hetero family, but no way in hell they should be subjugated to a happy healthy life under the care of a homosexual couple? That's pure genius! (I am not saying all hetero families are abusive, I'm also not saying every homosexual family is good, but seriously...)

Did I mention that we also pay taxes and can vote too?
Again, what's wrong with gays being able to marry?
Gay is also not a lifestyle. Just throwing that out there... It CAN be, but it is not. It's like saying that all toast is bread, but not all bread is toast...
Oh and half of all marriages end in divorce. So, tell me again about how you value the sanctity of marriage...

I'm done ranting for now. But please, push me further into punching holes in your logic...

"Normal Gays"?

I would hate to describe myself as a normal gay person, everyone is different in some way. The idea of normal in a human being is non existant unless you share the same attributes with someone else who would then be considered normal in your perspective.

But you know what, as a gay man, I am incredibly dissapointed in the LGBT communities for various reasons. The existance of categorizing is one (Bears, Twinks, Geeks) and you can't be part of one unless you 'look' the part.

Why are we not acceptive of things that are different when we fought so hard to be accepted into the communities that LGBT people still face issues being accepted into? It's ok to be judgmental if you can keep it to yourself, being openly judgmental...no, not ok at all!

The only reason why Hetero people stereotype us is all to be blamed for in media, sure it brings awareness but could they stereotype anymore? (Sex & the City, Will & Grace, LOGO TV)

I really do want to support the LGBT community, but not when the community starts doing idiotic things to make awareness for others.

 

[The Master]

I agree completely.

I hate how the media portrays us, this is probably why there is so much hate. (other than religion of course)
And like you said with the judgmental thing (if you cant say something nice, dont say anything)

 

[Ohri-Jin]

@H0MO$3XUAL


In my opening post I did not express myself well enough with the words lol. If you took the time to read all my posts combined in this whole thread you will come to realise I am pretty tolerant lol

Things I dont LIKE to see doesnt mean I would FORBID or COMMAND certain ppl. We are all equal. I would never express my opinions directly face to face if it happens irl.

This thread wasnt to attack ppl, but to make better understand.

 

[Exoskeleton]

@H0MO$3XUAL


In my opening post I did not express myself well enough with the words lol. If you took the time to read all my posts combined in this whole thread you will come to realise I am pretty tolerant lol

Things I dont LIKE to see doesnt mean I would FORBID or COMMAND certain ppl. We are all equal. I would never express my opinions directly face to face if it happens irl.

This thread wasnt to attack ppl, but to make better understand.

I kinda get what you're saying but I don't understand too much of it. Why do you even have to tolerate it if your straight and it has nothing to do with you? If you don't like gay people or you don't like what people do isn't it possible to just not hang around around them? Or just set it aside? - Wait never mind I just understood right after typing my post xD

But really I don't get why gay people are such a big issue anyway. Unless you're "in the closet" or on the "down low" I really don't see the big issue with homophobia. I'd use a metaphor but this thread is so full of them already. >.> Homophobia is kind of a waste of time imo. Why are we so concerned with gays getting married instead of helping the poor?(pope ). The whole things kinda ridiculous.

 

[Yaoi Master Gavin]

Well, the reason people bring up homosexuality as a debate topic, in most cases and especially in politics, is to divert attention from the original, and more than likely far more important, topic (this is known as the red herring logical fallacy). Homosexuality is a topic that easily riles people up, mainly but not entirely because of religion, and as soon as the missile is lauched the fragile detente is broken and we have ourselves a lovely little nuclear war and the original topic is left behind. It's a stall/fuck-the-opposition tactic that never fails because they know there is such a public outcry associated with it.

Because we all know the War on Terror will be won if we can just stop the gays from getting married.

Fucking politicians....

As for normal gay people and what rainbow boy up there calls fags, its more of a differentiation between media portrayal and the reality of the situation. Granted, I have my over-the-top-yeah-he's-gay moments but most of the time, you wouldn't know it unless it slipped out of my mouth that I was checking a guy out or summat like that. Its more about shoving it your face and screaming 'Look at me, I'm gay!' as opposed to it being there, and you maybe being open about it but you're not cramming it down someone's throat.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Yeah well homosexual can say fags but if I say something trivial as all gaymen are sissies suddenly im a homophobe. If I call them fags Im a homophobe. That's the whole point I tried to make. It was a joke.

I was really unsure though maybe I was a bit homophobic? But i realised I just dont like certain aspects. Like all up in your face homosexuals. Exactly what you mean Gavin lol.

Bit unsure yes. Dont know how to act around them, but I"ll respect them as long as they are professional about it.

Not all homosexuals have the same personality so I don't have to like all of them, but don't like one and suddenly homophobic? I was insulted because that is not the person I want to be.

I doubted myself but I would never hurt someone intentionally even if that person screwed me over.
However im only human. I have my faults.

Mit Romney doesnt support gay marriage so dont vote for him! He is the devil in disguise.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

I don't like the word "homophobe". No one is scared of homosexuals. They're just assholes. I could go on some 4 page post about this subject, but I won't. Ohri, you like watching two hot chicks go at it, right? But you don't like seeing two men go at it, I assume? That's not homophobia, that's bigotry and hypocrisy to the finest. However, unlike others, I'm not going to grill you for it. It's okay to find it odd. But as long as you're not going around saying they don't have the right to love, or the right to marry, and you aren't hurting anyone, you're okay.

It's when people do that that I have problem.

 

[The Master]

Rainbow boy, Gavin?

ANYWAY, it's when people say things like fag, faggot, homo, ect. in a spiteful way is when it is unacceptable/inappropriate. I'm looking forward to this upcoming fall where I have the chance to Vote NO on the Gay marriage ban they are trying to add to the Minnesota constitution.

There's things called marital benefits that heterosexual couples (TWO PEOPLE) can get because their marriage is recognized under the law. Not allowing homosexual couples (ALSO TWO PEOPLE) the opportunity for marital benefits is wrong. There's a thing called Civil Rights. What happened to that?

 

[Sheechiibii]

Ohri, you like watching two hot chicks go at it, right? But you don't like seeing two men go at it, I assume? That's not homophobia, that's bigotry and hypocrisy to the finest.

I wouldn't say that's bigotry or hypocrasy at all. Not unless he's saying he thinks it's wrong for two me to have sex but not for two women, or for two men to be in love but not for two women. It's perfectly natural for a straight man to find two women 'going at it' attractive but be disgusted by watching two men - that's not hobophobic in the least. There's a big difference between being disgusted by watching something and thinking it shouldn't be done at all. I wouldn't want to watch two women have sex, but I'm all for them doing it, I'd just rather not watch.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Exactly finally ppl understand. I dont want to see two ugly persons having sex either. When they hot I might peek. Preferences I guess Come to Netherlands here we can marry who we want. Gay parade doesnt always go well but thats religion I guess ppl too far up in religion ..other than that its a pretty much tolerant Country. America and most states are too old fashioned seriously Romney is not to be trusted. Obama will take this opportunity but at least it'll be done right? You say everyone has the same rights? Thats naive we are all being screwed over by ppl who have the real power. Rotchild family, rockefeller, bilderberg and what not.

 

[CassinoChips]

Yeah well homosexual can say fags but if I say something trivial as all gaymen are sissies suddenly im a homophobe. If I call them fags Im a homophobe. That's the whole point I tried to make. It was a joke.

Maybe if you understood where the word "faggot" comes from in terms of derision of homosexuality, you might understand why many gay (or straight) men and women would have a problem with you using that word in any situation, especially in a joking one.

I see it in the same way I see use of the n-word by anyone other than black folks. If the cost of our 400 years of putting them through absolute hell and destroying their culture for decades is not being able to use a word that many of them use quite often, I think we got off pretty light there. Same thing with homosexuality. Gay men and women are still killed in many places simply for being gay. So it's hard for me to listen to someone cry about not being able to say a word that has largely negative connotations about a group that is discriminated against all over the word. Kinda sucks when people think less of you for things like that, doesn't it? At least you can choose what you say. Black people, gay people, they didn't choose to be what they are. So you can imagine how much that must suck.

 

[Davey Gaga]

I wish we could just fast forward some number of years and see how stupid homophobes look then compared to now. They're slowly becoming the minority, not the homosexuals. As soon as we beat out the intolerance in some religions we'll be sorted.

 

[Blue Link]

I'm homosexual and I tend to have homophobic tendencies! XD In my honest opinion, you're not a homophobe if you truly have no hatred for homosexuals. You can make homophobic remarks, I'm pretty sure a lot of people make negative remarks about a certain group of people but don't really hate them. Hell, I do it all the time.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Ia Triple T I never used the word fags but member Homosexual did I only said the joke about gaymen are sissies.
For Gods sake do I have to retype everything thing I post lmao.
Insanity Wolf. Did you post before as well as in posting about this thread or just my last post? You totally missing the point. I understand gay people can call some other gay men fags but if a hetero does it, same with N word.. Somehow I think its irrelevant.

You have Negros and the N word but as Tupac said with A at the end instead of ER. With homosexuals they dont have their own slang right? If gay people have a word to name themselves instead of fags then its the same. Imo your analogy is irrelevent.

 

[The Master]

Just letting you all know, the new change to my username WAS NOT intended to shove my sexuality down peoples throats. I thought it would be funny, clever, and it turned out not to break any rules (Thanks mods ). As for my Bfs username, we wanted something that would match mine to show we were in on the names together. At a time I was shoving it down peoples throats, but I'm more mature now. If someone wants to know, I will tell them, but I wont go around shouting it to the heavens. That stage (my coming out of the closet stage) is in the past. Though... I guess now one needs only look at my username.... I'll get onto changing that in 80-some days...

 

[CassinoChips]

Ia Triple T I never used the word fags but member Homosexual did I only said the joke about gaymen are sissies.
For Gods sake do I have to retype everything thing I post lmao.

No, but you might want to reread everything you post. You: "If I call them fags ... It was a joke." Me: "You shouldn't use the word ever, even if you're joking."

You have Negros and the N word but as Tupac said with A at the end instead of ER. With homosexuals they dont have their own slang right? If gay people have a word to name themselves instead of fags then its the same. Imo your analogy is irrelevent.

If I say it with an -a instead of an -er, it's the same thing. No black person is going to say "Oh, that white dude only said -a, so that's ok." I don't know what you mean by "their own slang." It's not like -a is some completely different word from -er, it's just based on the common spoken pronunciation. It's the same word. If gay folks start spelling it with an -et ending, that's not suddenly going to make it ok for some straight dude to call a gay man an -ot, because the meaning behind the word doesn't change. Just like the whole "ghey" thing. That's cute, but you're still equating being gay with negativity, as though being gay is substandard, bad, wrong, etc.

 

[CPancer]

No, but you might want to reread everything you post. You: "If I call them fags ... It was a joke." Me: "You shouldn't use the word ever, even if you're joking."



If I say it with an -a instead of an -er, it's the same thing. No black person is going to say "Oh, that white dude only said -a, so that's ok." I don't know what you mean by "their own slang." It's not like -a is some completely different word from -er, it's just based on the common spoken pronunciation. It's the same word. If gay folks start spelling it with an -et ending, that's not suddenly going to make it ok for some straight dude to call a gay man an -ot, because the meaning behind the word doesn't change. Just like the whole "ghey" thing. That's cute, but you're still equating being gay with negativity, as though being gay is substandard, bad, wrong, etc.

Love this,

How unethical to think it's ok to joke about sexism and racism like that and people don't expect it to be sexist or racist when they do it. I learned the hard way when the part-time girl I work with found it offensive that I jokingly stereotyped asians and she was willing to quit on me for that reason, which I don't blame her.

Again, can't we blame the media for all of this? Look what's it's done to our sexual identities and what is considered acceptable and unnaceptable...I mean I'm not even fond of 'Modern Family' because it's so stereotypical that two very exagurated gay men raise a daughter and Al bundy being a sugardaddy for a young gorgeous Colombian woman (I know she's 37 IRL, but she is still younger than Mr. Bundy). This is why I can't watch television series or reality T.V. And I feel sorry for the gay men who watch the A-List because those men are just ego-tistic pricks who enjoy living up to their stereotype.

Gay men & women, are you still surprised how much steretyping exists worldwide? Blame the media! Your attention shouldn't be towards those who bring up the stereotypes on the thread, attack the media for this!
Help the new generation feel accepted for the way they are naturally, and don't make them follow a steretyped category because that's the only way they'll be accepted. I lost someone very close to me because he felt he didn't belong to in the gay community at all, and it didn't even bug him that homophobic people were picking on him.

 

[greenyxi]

I used to call my gay mate a fag all the time and he'd just call me a straight bastard and wack me on the arm. Some people just seem to realise that calling someone a name as a joke is completely fine...so long as the other person knows perfectly well that you're joking. I completely agree with Ohri...it's just a word that can mean 2 completely different things based on the situation.

Sorry if I've spoken crap...I haven't read through all 9 pages :$